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Re: ⭐⭐⭐ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 2.0 ⭐⭐⭐ [Re: Moopers]
#27659241 - 02/14/22 11:07 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Oh yeah, fair point. They are 34mm.
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Re: ⭐⭐⭐ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 2.0 ⭐⭐⭐ [Re: Baba Yaga] 8
#27663964 - 02/18/22 01:11 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Had some success with Panaeolus cyanescens (australian wild print) in unmodified tubs. Agar - grain master - sterile manure spawn - pasteurized 50/50 horse manure/coir. Cased with peat and lime. Full fae during colonization. Temps fairly stable at 70-80F. Honestly ran these tubs similar to how I do tamps with less misting. Forgot pics of first flush so pictures provided are second flush. Culture was a 2nd transfer from spore, taking clones today! This has been my first real "success" with this method, had fruits before but was usually only a couple fruits then contamination. Hoping this is repeatable and not a fluke, though pictured is two seperate tubs and I think I can do it again. Going to be trying some wild hawaiian cyans soon. All fruits in these tubs presented very orange gills which I like. Going to keep these tubs going until they contaminate or stop producing, hoping for several more flushes before they're sick of me.




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Re: ⭐⭐⭐ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 2.0 ⭐⭐⭐ [Re: kirkeng]
#27664027 - 02/18/22 01:57 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Awesome, thank you very much for sharing. That's the first unmodified tub I see and results are looking great
FAE during fruiting is the way to go IMO.
What kind of H-manure did you use? I'm not even aging mine anymore, just keeping it in a bucket till it doesn't smell and mix it with coir.
Good job man, those australian pans are called RDU (Red Downunder) and I'm very interested in hearing how the Hawaiians are turning out.
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Re: ⭐⭐⭐ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 2.0 ⭐⭐⭐ [Re: Baba Yaga]
#27664068 - 02/18/22 02:35 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Freaking beautiful! Thank you for this! What a great post and great info. Pans are my all time fave and I just started cultivating again for the 1st time in almost 2 decades.
My climate is very dry so it's hard to do mono-tub as fanning with 20% rh doesn't go over well. I might get my bedroom up to 60-75% with an ultrasonic and give this a go.
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Re: ⭐⭐⭐ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 2.0 ⭐⭐⭐ [Re: Ravi] 1
#27664092 - 02/18/22 02:52 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Word I didn't know that about the aussies, like that name. Will update with hawaiians when I get around to em, havent put to agar yet but planning in the next month or so as space allows. Yeah I've never been a fan of restricted fae during colonization only ever done it when I first started years ago but fae during colonization has always treated me well so never strayed. I get my H-poo from a local farm and sun dry it in my backyard, then mixed with coir and all pasteurized together in a cooler with boiling water. keeping it simple. I will also note cause ravi mentioned it, It's dead of winter where im at and RH has been consistently 12-25% the whole time, I just kept em closer to the floor and that seemed to help maintain humidity inside.
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Re: ⭐⭐⭐ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 2.0 ⭐⭐⭐ [Re: kirkeng] 1
#27664118 - 02/18/22 03:13 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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kirkeng said: then mixed with coir and all pasteurized together in a cooler with boiling water..
This might be part of the reason for your other tubs contaminating. If you do it in an insulated cooler try dumping 170-180° water on it instead. That’s how I do my straw for oysters. You’ll have to play with it a bit but the temps will usually equalize to perfect pasteurizing temps. That said I do a hot water bath on my straw first so maybe if you hydrate your sub with hot water these numbers will be pretty close. The boiling water may be partially sterilizing which is a big gamble with manure.
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Re: ⭐⭐⭐ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 2.0 ⭐⭐⭐ [Re: kirkeng]
#27664128 - 02/18/22 03:24 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Nice info, thanks. Your sub contaminating is probably due to your pasteurization method but I get the appeal of keeping things simple and it can work with aggressive colonizers if you keep the spawn ration high I guess. Still not that reliable IMO though. Having said this, what is your spawn ratio in these tubs?
@ southerner (you beat me to it): what you proposed sounds like something that could work quite well, will have to run a few tests when getting back into it. I guess key with this is to have not much bigger clumps in the mix and the more you prep at once the better.
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Re: ⭐⭐⭐ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 2.0 ⭐⭐⭐ [Re: Baba Yaga] 1
#27664147 - 02/18/22 03:45 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Pasteurization isn't the problem with contamination, in those instances dirty spawn has been, I run this pasteurization method with manure for every grow and generally do not run into issues. All other attempts have been with oats that were slightly bacterial and the mycellium barely recovered after a shake but I spawn it anyways cause why not. I mix all the horse manure and coir dry and dump pre-measured amount of boiling water, direct heat transfer to the substrate and the temp goes from boiling to 170F within 5 mins, maintains temp above 140 for several hours, all this tested over many runs with thermometer checks. Though I appreciate y'all looking out. spawn ratio is probably 1:4 or 1:5 id say, I use like 2-3 quarts of manure spawn to whatever volume the pasteurized substrate is which I don't measure in volume. But the depth is like 2-3 inches 56 qt tub.
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Re: ⭐⭐⭐ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 2.0 ⭐⭐⭐ [Re: kirkeng]
#27664173 - 02/18/22 04:17 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Right on, in my book simplicity = maximum fun. Sounds great and thanks for explaining, will definitely give it a go.
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Re: ⭐⭐⭐ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 2.0 ⭐⭐⭐ [Re: Baba Yaga]
#27664361 - 02/18/22 06:59 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Word it's all love! right there with you on that too, I like the challenge and accessability of low tech methods, definately more fun in my book.
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Re: ⭐⭐⭐ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 2.0 ⭐⭐⭐ [Re: kirkeng]
#27666000 - 02/20/22 05:48 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Can anyone speak to whether This would work as sub. If not does anyone have any recommendations (I’m in the UK).
If this would work would I mix with equal parts coir and Verm and then pasteurise it all together?
Don’t own a sous vide so what would the best route be? Oven bag it up and cook it at 160 or do you think a bucket tek would suffice. I bucket tek into a large insulated cooler. I’ve had sub still too warm to use 8 or so hours later so I’m pretty sure it can hold 160-170 for at least a few hours.
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Re: ⭐⭐⭐ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 2.0 ⭐⭐⭐ [Re: SwabMarley]
#27666005 - 02/20/22 05:55 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Re: ⭐⭐⭐ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 2.0 ⭐⭐⭐ [Re: SwabMarley] 1
#27666397 - 02/20/22 12:11 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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- Can anyone speak to whether This would work as sub. If not does anyone have any recommendations (I’m in the UK).
From the questions & answers at the bottom of the page you linked:
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Q: is this any good for growing mushrooms? A: the "Gro-sure" Farmyard Manure will be good for growing Mushrooms.
- If this would work would I mix with equal parts coir and Verm and then pasteurise it all together?
I would mix with coir 50/50 but verm won't hurt anything
- Don’t own a sous vide so what would the best route be? Oven bag it up and cook it at 160 or do you think a bucket tek would suffice. I bucket tek into a large insulated cooler. I’ve had sub still too warm to use 8 or so hours later so I’m pretty sure it can hold 160-170 for at least a few hours.
What kirkeng said two posts above regarding cooler pasteurization seems to work, cronicr does it in bags on the stove top or do it like RR in "Let's Grow Mushrooms"
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Re: ⭐⭐⭐ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 2.0 ⭐⭐⭐ [Re: Baba Yaga]
#27666513 - 02/20/22 01:32 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Baba Yaga said:
- Can anyone speak to whether This would work as sub. If not does anyone have any recommendations (I’m in the UK).
From the questions & answers at the bottom of the page you linked:
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Q: is this any good for growing mushrooms? A: the "Gro-sure" Farmyard Manure will be good for growing Mushrooms.
- If this would work would I mix with equal parts coir and Verm and then pasteurise it all together?
I would mix with coir 50/50 but verm won't hurt anything
- Don’t own a sous vide so what would the best route be? Oven bag it up and cook it at 160 or do you think a bucket tek would suffice. I bucket tek into a large insulated cooler. I’ve had sub still too warm to use 8 or so hours later so I’m pretty sure it can hold 160-170 for at least a few hours.
What kirkeng said two posts above regarding cooler pasteurization seems to work, cronicr does it in bags on the stove top or do it like RR in "Let's Grow Mushrooms"
Appreciate the reply bud!
Yeah I did see that in the questions and answers on Amazon but wasn’t gunna take that as gospel, would rather hear it from someone on here.
Again, pardon my ignorance but using the stuff that I linked, I’d dump that in a cooler with dry un hydrated coir and add water sufficient enough to purely hydrate the coir, mix and leave it, correct?
Apologies if these questions are dumb. I just wanna make sure I get it right first time. I’m in the process of working through the last year or so worth of threads over on the Pan/Copelandia thread
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Re: ⭐⭐⭐ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 2.0 ⭐⭐⭐ [Re: SwabMarley]
#27666544 - 02/20/22 01:58 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Myc Hunt said: Yeah I did see that in the questions and answers on Amazon but wasn’t gunna take that as gospel, would rather hear it from someone on here.
Again, pardon my ignorance but using the stuff that I linked, I’d dump that in a cooler with dry un hydrated coir and add water sufficient enough to purely hydrate the coir, mix and leave it, correct?
Apologies if these questions are dumb. I just wanna make sure I get it right first time. I’m in the process of working through the last year or so worth of threads over on the Pan/Copelandia thread
Your guess is as good as mine regarding the compost but I don't see why it shouldn't work, I would give it a go for sure.
Never done the cooler pasteurization myself but from what I understand it's exactly what you said. At least if the bagged compost is dry, if it's moist then I would let it dry out first, otherwise the temperature might drop too fast or you get uneven heat transfer.
Trying to get it right is always good. If you want to give tubs a go then try coping what I did and see if it works for you. In the end only experience will get you there which might include some fails as well. Getting started with something is the first step of getting it right.
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Re: ⭐⭐⭐ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 2.0 ⭐⭐⭐ [Re: Baba Yaga] 1
#27666900 - 02/20/22 07:06 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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As far as the cooler pasteurization goes, when I do it I pre-hydrate the manure with hot tap water to field capacity. The only reason I do this is because the consistency and water retention of the manure I collect is not consistent across the board. I then crumble the dry coir in the cooler and mix it all evenly, then dump how ever much boiling water I need to bring the coir I added to field capacity, close the sucker up and rock the cooler to mix it some while the lid is closed. I will say though with this method it works best when mixing a good amount of substrate at once, I usually do 3-4 tubs worth at a time and usually have to wait a full 24 hours before it's cool enough to use.
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Re: ⭐⭐⭐ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 2.0 ⭐⭐⭐ [Re: kirkeng] 1
#27667219 - 02/20/22 11:55 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Very helpful, both of you. Yeah I think I’m gunna give a shoebox a go Baba. I’ve got some 27L EZ Dials which I think may work pretty good but I’m all for trying a shoebox. I found your accidental discovery without the casing layer pretty interesting. Im gunna try and expand on that and test it out a bit more because if it works it’s one less step.
Seems like over the years cult has slowly been debunking unnecessary steps so this is a win, win if it works!
I’ve gotta get these pans to grain before anything though. Had some okay growth on some germination plates. Transferred a few and sent one directly to an LC just to see what happens.
No worries on being blunt, long as the info is good
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Re: ⭐⭐⭐ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 2.0 ⭐⭐⭐ [Re: SwabMarley] 1
#27667538 - 02/21/22 08:57 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Was planning on adding a small write up here once they were done but I’ve seen a few people mention shoeboxes so I wanted to share my limited experience with them so far. I’ll still add more once everything is done.
Pan cyan wild coast

So far the shoeboxes have been doing decently. I used a shoebox from dollar general that has a large gap when the lid is flipped as so much emphasis is placed on FAE. This box was also slightly compressed p9 style (sub and small top layer together, no separately) and fruited at spawn. Nice few clusters with pins still coming in. The compressed is performing better than the other box but too many differences between the two to draw any conclusions yet.
My approach was basically to keep the casing glistening the whole time like in Baba Yaga’s write up. Couldn’t baby them a couple days and they lost a little of the sheen which I’m wondering if that’s what causes a few caps to wrinkle. I got the casing glistening again as soon as I could and seems to still be going okay. Misted the hell out of it pins and all.
Wasn’t able to follow as the TEK as closely as I wanted as I thought I had the correct materials but didn’t. Sub was pasteurized coir, verm and a potting soil that contained composted chicken litter. Casing was pasteurized jiffy. Temps have been between 60-70°F which is why I think things are moving slowly but seems to be okay so far.
More experiments to share on the way including bisporus. Thanks again for experimenting and sharing Baba Yaga.
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Re: ⭐⭐⭐ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 2.0 ⭐⭐⭐ [Re: Southerner]
#27667584 - 02/21/22 09:38 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks for sharing bud, keep us updated!
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Re: ⭐⭐⭐ PANAEOLUS IN MONO TUBS 2.0 ⭐⭐⭐ [Re: SwabMarley] 2
#27668228 - 02/21/22 06:52 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Third flush coming in, fruits definitely getting smaller though remaining relatively abundant. Misted a lot more heavily during this flush twice a day and didn't seem to adversely affect them, fourth flush pins already showing though more sparse currently. Hopefully they remain happy.
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