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#27637616 - 01/29/22 02:57 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Over the past year I occasionally come into this forum once or twice a month and expect to see a thread on this topic....
....been a year now and I still haven't seen any mention or discussion on this at all around here (tho I don't really get into the other political threads much, perhaps it has been brought up in another thread).
I'm not a very political person at all and admittedly don't have a thorough understanding of the structure and operations of government/politics, I honestly didn't start paying attention to things until about 18 months ago...but I see the writing on the wall and feel that the next presidential election is going to be wild as fuck. It is crystal clear to me what is trying to be done here. It's been clear to me for a couple years now.
In the past year, many Republican-dominated states have reworked their election systems to suppress Democratic voting and to give control of election results to partisan Republicans. They have purged from office election officials who refused to overturn the election results.
Many states have taken the counting of votes out of the hands of non-partisan officials altogether and turn that process over to republicans.
Every state controlled by a Republican legislature has passed or is in the process of passing laws that give them the power to throw away DEM votes, override the will of the people, overturn elections and install the candidates of their choice.
The Republican end game: Drastic state election law changes that enable Republicans to control at least 38 state legislatures. Then convene a Constitutional Convention and rewrite the Constitution itself to enable all of their autocratic, theocratic and Trumpacratic dreams.
Even during the last election....
"the Select Committee has issued subpoenas to 14 individuals who participated as purported “alternate electors” for former President Trump. The committee is seeking information from individuals who met and submitted purported Electoral-College certificates in seven states: Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.
Chairman Thompson issued the following statement:
“The Select Committee is seeking information about attempts in multiple states to overturn the results of the 2020 election, including the planning and coordination of efforts to send false slates of electors to the National Archives...."
https://january6th.house.gov/news/press-releases/select-committee-subpoenas-alternate-electors-seven-states?fbclid=IwAR3g0_4_JHzzjNKzwPp7fDv878zrCsxEa3jvVWJOLfiFTzA-HwxrW8GE64M
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Re: States appointing their own partisan electors, false/alternate electors, voting rights, etc... [Re: openmind] 1
#27638264 - 01/30/22 06:21 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, it's not pretty. Many are cheering it on simply because it is their team doing it. It smells a lot thinly veiled authoritarianism.
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Re: States appointing their own partisan electors, false/alternate electors, voting rights, etc... [Re: christopera] 1
#27638566 - 01/30/22 12:03 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Marjorie Three Name called for people that move from blue states to red states to lose their right to vote for an undetermined "cooling off period" the other day.
But I think OM is correct about the endgame.
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Re: States appointing their own partisan electors, false/alternate electors, voting rights, etc... [Re: christopera] 1
#27638573 - 01/30/22 12:13 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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christopera said: Yeah, it's not pretty. Many are cheering it on simply because it is their team doing it. It smells a lot thinly veiled authoritarianism.
It's fucking wild.
Yet I don't really hear anyone talking about this or noticing what is happening.
I don't watch TV/news (haven't watched TV in about 14 years), so I don't know if the mainstream media/news is talking about this.
And most of the discussion I see around here on the shroomery (and pretty much everywhere) is so fucking stuck and fixated on "people" like "Biden" and "Trump" and other politicians, rather than real issues and what is actually happening.
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Re: States appointing their own partisan electors, false/alternate electors, voting rights, etc... [Re: openmind]
#27638581 - 01/30/22 12:22 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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NPR has had a number of articles on it, as have other shows like David Pakman. Not sure about the more mainstream stuff. A lot of states got butt hurt that Biden won and now you see the results. This is partly why you see so much back and forth about these characters. Until these tactics filters through the courts there's nothing illegal about it. There is however no doubt who these laws favor. Keep in mind Republicans have been losing numbers, they just turn out better. But these tricks tend to work. So that group holds on, they conserve, if you will.
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Re: States appointing their own partisan electors, false/alternate electors, voting rights, etc... [Re: christopera]
#27638594 - 01/30/22 12:36 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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There have been a few articles on this topic in the NYT over the last year.
Christopera is right, though. Every state picks electors as they see fit, because there is no national level legislation. Republicans are taking advantage of this fact to write state laws that allows state legislatures to entirely override elections. At the moment, this is not illegal. It will have to be decided by the courts.
The problem that I see, is that republicans really only get to do that once. If a GOP state legislature refuses to honor the state voting democratic and sends their own electors, there will be a massive public outcry. This is one of those nuclear options. To use it effectively, they would need that 38 state constitutional grab, as well as control of congress and SCOTUS, to kinda slide it all through in a year or two.
As far as I know, the "alternate" electors were never actually officially sent by states, but were either randos or connected to a state level political organization.
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Re: States appointing their own partisan electors, false/alternate electors, voting rights, etc... [Re: openmind]
#27689743 - 03/10/22 12:41 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: States appointing their own partisan electors, false/alternate electors, voting rights, etc... [Re: openmind]
#27691209 - 03/11/22 02:27 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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So when Dems inevitably lose the midterms and 2024 due to Biden's amazing level of ineptitude and the fact that he is destroying the economy with sanctions and inflation, we are going to blame everything on the evil state republican legislatures
Word. Glad we've got that narrative prepared in advance. I was worried for a sec.
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Re: States appointing their own partisan electors, false/alternate electors, voting rights, etc... [Re: openmind] 1
#27844925 - 07/01/22 12:20 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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.....The court also said today that it will consider making even greater changes to our country. It will hear Moore v. Harper, a case about whether state legislatures alone have the power to set election rules even if their laws violate state constitutions.
The case comes from North Carolina, where the state supreme court rejected a dramatically partisan gerrymander. Republicans say that the state court cannot stop the legislature’s carving up of the state because of the “independent state legislatures doctrine.” This is a new idea, based on the clause in the U.S. Constitution providing that “[t]he times, places and manner of holding elections for senators and representatives, shall be prescribed in each state by the legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations.” Those adhering to the independent state legislature theory ignore the second part of that provision.
Those advancing the independent state legislature theory also point to another clause of the Constitution. It says: “Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors.”
Until now, states have interpreted “legislatures” to mean the state’s general lawmaking processes, which include shared power and checks and balances among the three branches of state government. Now, a radical minority insists that a legislature is a legislature alone, unchecked by state courts or state constitutions that prohibit gerrymandering. This interpretation of the Constitution is radical and new. It caught on in 2015, when Republicans wanted to get rid of an independent redistricting commission in Arizona.
This doctrine is, of course, what Trump and his allies pushed for to keep him in power in 2020: Republican state legislatures throwing out the will of the people and sending electors for Trump to Congress rather than the Biden electors the majority voted for.
That doctrine would also give to state legislatures the power to control who can vote, and how and where they can do so. It would strip power from elections commissions and secretaries of state, and it would take from state courts the power to challenge gerrymandering or voter suppression. Republicans currently control 30 state legislatures, in large part thanks to the gerrymandering and voter suppression in place in a number of those states.
Revered conservative judge J. Michael Luttig has been trying for months to sound the alarm that this doctrine is a blueprint for Republicans to steal the 2024 election. In April, before the court agreed to take on the Moore v. Harper case, he wrote: “Trump and the Republicans can only be stopped from stealing the 2024 election at this point if the Supreme Court rejects the independent state legislature doctrine (thus allowing state court enforcement of state constitutional limitations on legislatively enacted election rules and elector appointments) and Congress amends the Electoral Count Act to constrain Congress' own power to reject state electoral votes and decide the presidency.”
And yet in March, when the Supreme Court let the state supreme court’s decision against the radical map stay in place for 2022, justices Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch, Clarence Thomas, and Brett Kavanaugh indicated they are open to the idea that state courts have no role in overseeing the rules for federal elections.
In the one term Trump’s three justices have been on the court, they have decimated the legal landscape under which we have lived for generations, slashing power from the federal government, where Congress represents the majority, and returning it to states, where a Republican minority can impose its will. Thanks to the skewing of our electoral system, those states are now poised to take control of our federal government permanently.
https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/june-30-2022
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Re: States appointing their own partisan electors, false/alternate electors, voting rights, etc... [Re: openmind]
#27844966 - 07/01/22 12:48 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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It's the democrats' fault that by the end of next year the republicans will officially have turned this country into their own personal authoritarian theocracy.
At least republicans have already brainwashed the majority of the military and police, so any dissent will quickly be snuffed out and we can live peacefully under the doctrine of Jesus, King Ron DeSantis and Exxon Mobil
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Re: States appointing their own partisan electors, false/alternate electors, voting rights, etc... [Re: openmind]
#27844968 - 07/01/22 12:53 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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All hail the Great Mighty White Christina agenda (sponsored by Coca Cola, Exxon, Perdue, Lockheed Martin etc etc!).
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