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Liquid fertilizer
    #2763048 - 06/04/04 01:32 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I was thinking of mixing some liquid fertilizer in the water so I can add to the casing layer.  Do you think that would be good, for the production and growth of shrooms.  :mushroom2:


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Re: Liquid fertilizer [Re: vas]
    #2763566 - 06/04/04 03:35 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

what if i add 10% dextrose?


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    #2764086 - 06/04/04 06:05 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

The liquid fertilizer isnt going to help the shrooms grow. They eat carbohydrates mostly and lots of plain old water. The shrooms would just basically suck up the fertilizer and then you would ingest the unchanged chemicals when you ate them. Not Good! I doubt the idea of drinking that liquid fertilizer is very appealing to you. Plants,on the other hand,use sunlight and nutrients from the soil to generate energy and growth via photosenthesis. The little mushies dont contain any chlorophyl and dont use this process to live and prosper,so put the fertilizer in your weed garden and there you will see good results.

If you add the dextrose you would certainly be providing the mushies with useable food,but you would also be providing a perfect breading ground for contamination so I cant say that it would be a good idea at all.

If you want to give them a nice nutritious substrate you should look into using horse or cow poo. They work fantastically and grow some mighty nice specimens.

Hope this helps!
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Re: Liquid fertilizer [Re: vas]
    #2764174 - 06/04/04 06:45 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

You don't want to add anything to your casing layer.The whole purpose of applying a casing layer is to provide a NON-NUTRITIOUS layer for fruiting,it holds moisture to provide to the mushrooms during growth and increases the size and number of flushes.It doesn't allow contams as easy because they have nothing to feed off of.
You can add dextrose to your substrate during preparation and it increase yeild,but I would not add anything to the casing layer.

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Re: Liquid fertilizer [Re: vas]
    #23837778 - 11/16/16 08:03 AM (16 days, 14 hours ago)

I found the best organic supreme growers liquid fertilizers with new technology.


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Re: Liquid fertilizer [Re: Mykey]
    #23837837 - 11/16/16 08:44 AM (16 days, 13 hours ago)

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The liquid fertilizer isnt going to help the shrooms grow. They eat carbohydrates mostly and lots of plain old water. The shrooms would just basically suck up the fertilizer and then you would ingest the unchanged chemicals when you ate them. Not Good! I doubt the idea of drinking that liquid fertilizer is very appealing to you. Plants,on the other hand,use sunlight and nutrients from the soil to generate energy and growth via photosenthesis. The little mushies dont contain any chlorophyl and dont use this process to live and prosper,so put the fertilizer in your weed garden and there you will see good results.




Completely wrong. The whole mycelium are not plant's they don't need nutrients is so wrong.
They share they same basic nutrient requirement, the same as humans and plants.

I have done hundreds of various tests on nutrients and carbon sources.
Mycelium can convert and use many elements and vitamins.


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Re: Liquid fertilizer [Re: Ferather]
    #23837844 - 11/16/16 08:53 AM (16 days, 13 hours ago)

Micro nutrients:

Sodium, Calcium, Iron, Zinc, Copper, Manganese, Iodine, Selenium, Chromium, Sulphur, Boron, Molybdenum.


Vitamins:

Vitamin D, Thiamin, Riboflavin, Niacin, Vitamin B6, Folate, Pantothenic Acid, Biotin, Ascorbic Acid.


Macro nutrients:

Nitrogen, Magnesium, Phosphorus, Potassium.


Energy:

Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen.

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Miracle-Gro® LPF

   


Yeast Nutrients

   


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Re: Liquid fertilizer [Re: Ferather]
    #23837876 - 11/16/16 09:15 AM (16 days, 13 hours ago)

Actually instead of the liquid fertilizer spawn mate makes supplements that mixed veg oil and pasteurization together is used for edibles and works with cubes too. It can double the speed of your colonizing the bulk sub and increase yeild about 20%. The bad is the price of product, super increase in sub temps like 15 degrees worth. Increase contam in everything.


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Re: Liquid fertilizer [Re: tump]
    #23837978 - 11/16/16 09:55 AM (16 days, 12 hours ago)

High protein based if I remember correctly. You can add N direct to skip digestion.


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Re: Liquid fertilizer [Re: doc34]
    #23837989 - 11/16/16 09:59 AM (16 days, 12 hours ago)

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doc34 said:
You don't want to add anything to your casing layer.The whole purpose of applying a casing layer is to provide a NON-NUTRITIOUS layer for fruiting,it holds moisture to provide to the mushrooms during growth and increases the size and number of flushes.It doesn't allow contams as easy because they have nothing to feed off of.





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Re: Liquid fertilizer [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23837993 - 11/16/16 10:00 AM (16 days, 12 hours ago)

Not disagreeing with that Pasty, and totally agree. I was correcting something else  :smile:


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Re: Liquid fertilizer [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23837994 - 11/16/16 10:00 AM (16 days, 12 hours ago)

Threads from 2004??? Damn I feel old


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Re: Liquid fertilizer [Re: mushboy]
    #23837999 - 11/16/16 10:01 AM (16 days, 12 hours ago)

Damn never noticed the necro date lol.


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Re: Liquid fertilizer [Re: mushboy]
    #23838003 - 11/16/16 10:02 AM (16 days, 12 hours ago)

I loled, just noticed.... I replied to a 12 yr old thread! My bad.


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Re: Liquid fertilizer [Re: Ferather]
    #23838445 - 11/16/16 01:07 PM (16 days, 9 hours ago)

ugh, peeps need to learn the basics 101 on how mycelium feeds and colonizes subs :facepalm:

I bet 90% here dont even know what class, order or family fuckin cubes are :rolleyes:
or which kingdom for that matter....


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Re: Liquid fertilizer [Re: spacechildo]
    #23838517 - 11/16/16 01:27 PM (16 days, 8 hours ago)

What's phylogeny have to do with it?  Check out my thread on cubes on paper with age old....there are a couple pics of myc growing on it...not well though.


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Re: Liquid fertilizer [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23838540 - 11/16/16 01:35 PM (16 days, 8 hours ago)

I think that was aimed at Mykey's comment. How are those cubes anyhow?


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Re: Liquid fertilizer [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23838544 - 11/16/16 01:36 PM (16 days, 8 hours ago)

IDK if that was reply failure or not but I never mentioned that :shrug:
My point was that even tho people here know how to grow most know painfully little about what exactly they are growing.

this used to be a forum filled with mushroom enthusiasts and nerds who wanted to learn how to grow,
now its a bunch of people who just wanna grow the magic but dont know squat about it.


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Re: Liquid fertilizer [Re: spacechildo]
    #23838545 - 11/16/16 01:38 PM (16 days, 8 hours ago)

Fair comment. Thanks for clearing that up  :smile:


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Re: Liquid fertilizer [Re: spacechildo]
    #23838565 - 11/16/16 01:46 PM (16 days, 8 hours ago)

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IDK if that was reply failure or not but I never mentioned that :shrug:
My point was that even tho people here know how to grow most know painfully little about what exactly they are growing.

this used to be a forum filled with mushroom enthusiasts and nerds who wanted to learn how to grow,
now its a bunch of people who just wanna grow the magic but dont know squat about it.



Fair enough...and I agree 100% on your statement.


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