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Re: Grain Cross-Contamination Experiment [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27630690 - 01/24/22 08:43 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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This thread doesn't discredit bad coir tho



I've never gotten or seen bad coir and i use coir for mush and ganja so... :shrug:


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Re: Grain Cross-Contamination Experiment [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #27630692 - 01/24/22 08:44 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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This thread doesn't discredit bad coir tho




Personally I felt the op discredited bad coir right from the get go;

"I always see lots of posts about how grain jars looked and smelled fine and the contams didn’t show until spawning to bulk. These posts naturally contain speculation that it just HAD to be the coir, the bucket, the water, sponge, or anything else besides technique."




Okay it doesn't discredit when people have documentation like me :wink: I have posted bad bricks to the forums, sandman remembers I think.


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Re: Grain Cross-Contamination Experiment [Re: smalltalk_canceled] * 1
    #27630717 - 01/24/22 09:04 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

In this one example, my control would be the test for bad coir. Clean bag, clean sponge, clean pot. If that coir contaminated, it would really only leave water or the coir as the problem.

While a bad brick of coir could theoretically exist, I can’t imagine a company is producing consistently bad bricks.

I had a culture that looked like yours. My jar looked fine, I spawned it to coir and it colonized fine until I saw a patch of green. I couldn’t believe it. I swore up and down that my coir was bad. I mixed up some of the same brick and put it in a shoebox. Weeks later, nothing. Coir looked fine.

Bad filter
Bad grain sterilization
Bad technique when inoculating
Hidden mold or bacteria in the culture
Incomplete colonization of grain jar

These are just 5 additional variables that could have made your seemingly perfect looking plate fail that aren’t related to the coir you use.

Again, I’m not trying to say that coir can’t be bad, but if you think that those 5 other variables can’t have caused the contamination, that’s missing some big vectors that you’re not considering.

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Re: Grain Cross-Contamination Experiment [Re: Scrimshaw]
    #27630781 - 01/24/22 10:13 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I was sadly one of the subscribers to the dirty bucket theory :huxleyfacepalm:

I agree there can probably be such a thing as 'bad coir' still

but at least now I can mix and match buckets etc with reckless abandon :rockon: thanks Scrimshaw :cheers:


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