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DEA Proposes Adding 5 More Psychedelics to Schedule 1 Controlled Substances
    #27627948 - 01/22/22 05:20 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

DEA Proposes Adding 5 More Psychedelics to Schedule 1 Controlled Substances
January 20, 2022 - Psychedelic Spotlight

Psychedelic research and medicine advocates have until February 14 to make the case that these five tryptamine hallucinogens do, in fact, have known medical use.

In a blow to the progressive psychedelics movement, the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) has proposed adding five more hallucinogenic compounds in schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act.

The regulator announced its intent last Friday to criminalize
4-Hydroxy-N,N-diisopropyltryptamine (4-OH-DiPT),
5-Methoxy-alphamethyltryptamine (5-MeO-AMT),
N-Isopropyl-5-Methoxy-N-Methyltryptamine (5-MeO-MiPT),
N,N-Diethyl-5-methoxytryptamine (5-MeO-DET),
and N,N-Diisopropyltryptamine (DiPT)
not just for possession, distribution, import, export or manufacturing, but even research, instructional activities and chemical analysis.

These lesser-known psychedelic compounds will join psilocybin, LSD, DMT, mescaline, and MDMA as illegal substances if the proposal becomes law. The DEA has been monitoring and investigating these tryptamines for at least two decades. In 2008, the agency sent data to the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) for medical and scientific review, and received reports on each substance in 2012 — long before the psychedelic research renaissance was being taken seriously by the mass media, the pharmaceutical industry, and policymakers.

A 28-page DEA report, authored in August of 2021, states, “These five tryptamines have no known medical use in the United States and are not marketed internationally as approved drug products. They have all been reported as drugs of abuse in the U.S. by law enforcement authorities and identified in seizures.”

The document concludes that these five tryptamines meet requirements for schedule 1 classification because of the following three factors: The drug has a high potential for abuse, the drug has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States, and there is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug under medical supervision.

But there is a glimmer of hope: Anyone can visit the Federal Register to comment on the proposal until February 14.

Washington State-based biotech company Panacea Plant Sciences appears to be the first voice in the burgeoning psychedelics industry to speak up, although more will likely follow, as there is now major economic interest in the research of psychedelic compounds to create next-generation medicines to heal a bevy of mental health conditions, including depression, anxiety, addiction, and PTSD. And that’s really just the tip of the iceberg of potential.

“At the moment hallucinogens/psychedelics are having a revival for their use as medical treatments,” CEO David Heldreth writes in six-page oppositional response. “This is due to the apparent connection between 5-ht2a agonism and the ability to provide long term relief from and treatment of depression, anxiety, addiction, PTSD and other mental health conditions. 5ht2a receptor agonism has been identified as a primary mechanism of medical benefit.”

“As such it is intriguing to see the DEA document in the docket which is entitled Five Tryptamines Eight-factor Analysis DEA 082021 where one can see the 5ht2a activity and binding levels used as reasons to make these compounds illegal,” the letter continues. “This same activity is precisely why these compounds do, in fact, have medical uses.”

Although the DEA cites danger of abuse because of occasional deaths or emergency room visits linked to the compounds, Heldreth questions the validity of the correlation. “Deaths attributed to these compounds have only occurred with comorbid use of psychiatric medications along with alcohol and the identified tryptamines. As such it is likely that these deaths have very little to do with the tryptamines alone and are either directly due to the use of alcohol and psychiatric medications which present a known danger or from the combination of those items with the drugs.”

He adds, “The attributed risk and dangers are overblown by DEA analysis. Further the risks named, science cited and data used for this process started in 2008 and much of the cited info is outdated.”

Furthermore, Heldreth points out that rescheduling of these substances would be a hypocritical move in wake of all of the promising research that has been conducted in the last 20 years — research that the agency has supported, and even increased production quotas of psychedelic drugs to further that research.

“5ht2a agonists, including the compounds listed here, have now been established to definitely have medical benefit,” he writes. “The same DEA, FDA and NIH are currently allowing and hosting/funding medical trials which have already shown medical benefits of using LSD, mescaline, DMT and psilocybin.”

Panacea has requested a public hearing on these issues and the scheduling. Psychedelic Spotlight will continue to monitor and cover developments relating to this proposal.

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Re: DEA Proposes Adding 5 More Psychedelics to Schedule 1 Controlled Substances [Re: veggie] * 1
    #27628078 - 01/22/22 08:18 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Out of those five I've only tried 5-meo-mipt.
I don't think there's a strong chance of 5-meo-mipt ruining someone's life...  it's not addictive, at least not any more addictive than weed.  Compared to alcohol it's probably safe as hell.

Disappointed in this news.

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Re: DEA Proposes Adding 5 More Psychedelics to Schedule 1 Controlled Substances [Re: veggie] * 1
    #27628108 - 01/22/22 08:53 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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veggie said:


The regulator announced its intent last Friday to criminalize
4-Hydroxy-N,N-diisopropyltryptamine (4-OH-DiPT),
5-Methoxy-alphamethyltryptamine (5-MeO-AMT),
N-Isopropyl-5-Methoxy-N-Methyltryptamine (5-MeO-MiPT),
N,N-Diethyl-5-methoxytryptamine (5-MeO-DET),
and N,N-Diisopropyltryptamine (DiPT)





its 4-HO-DiPT. They dont even know what they are banning


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Re: DEA Proposes Adding 5 More Psychedelics to Schedule 1 Controlled Substances [Re: viraldrome]
    #27628218 - 01/22/22 10:27 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

But, mushrooms becoming therapy. They are all just the same. Aspirin to heroin. An electrical zap to LSD.


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Re: DEA Proposes Adding 5 More Psychedelics to Schedule 1 Controlled Substances [Re: veggie] * 4
    #27628221 - 01/22/22 10:30 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

None of those come close to fitting the stated definition of schedule I drug.

I left a few comments, some of them perfectly reasonable and polite...others I had to stop myself from overusing the words fascist and motherfuckers.

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Re: DEA Proposes Adding 5 More Psychedelics to Schedule 1 Controlled Substances [Re: Holybullshit] * 1
    #27628282 - 01/22/22 11:15 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Disappointing to many, but unfortunately not surprising. The timing is indeed a real head scratcher, with psychedelic research starting to take off again. It'll be interesting to see if the profit-motivated companies can step in and stop the DEA.

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Re: DEA Proposes Adding 5 More Psychedelics to Schedule 1 Controlled Substances [Re: phytophilia] * 3
    #27628427 - 01/22/22 01:05 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

They're already illegal under the Analogs Act. This is particularly unnecessary. These guys should be out there looking for adulterated drugs to ensure purity and safety, not sitting around washing dirty money for profit and sending out PSAs about emoticons.

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Re: DEA Proposes Adding 5 More Psychedelics to Schedule 1 Controlled Substances [Re: viraldrome] * 3
    #27628608 - 01/22/22 03:39 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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viraldrome said:
Quote:

veggie said:


The regulator announced its intent last Friday to criminalize
4-Hydroxy-N,N-diisopropyltryptamine (4-OH-DiPT),
5-Methoxy-alphamethyltryptamine (5-MeO-AMT),
N-Isopropyl-5-Methoxy-N-Methyltryptamine (5-MeO-MiPT),
N,N-Diethyl-5-methoxytryptamine (5-MeO-DET),
and N,N-Diisopropyltryptamine (DiPT)





its 4-HO-DiPT. They dont even know what they are banning



They never have.


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Re: DEA Proposes Adding 5 More Psychedelics to Schedule 1 Controlled Substances [Re: veggie] * 1
    #27628756 - 01/22/22 05:28 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Now we know which ones to stock up on right quick, thanks!


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Re: DEA Proposes Adding 5 More Psychedelics to Schedule 1 Controlled Substances [Re: veggie]
    #27628868 - 01/22/22 06:46 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

"But there is a glimmer of hope: Anyone can visit the Federal Register to comment on the proposal until February 14."

I still feel powerless and no power to the people.  Is sad.  Will fall on deaf ears.:sad:

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Re: DEA Proposes Adding 5 More Psychedelics to Schedule 1 Controlled Substances [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #27629145 - 01/23/22 01:24 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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tyrannicalrex said:
Now we know which ones to stock up on right quick, thanks!





Be careful with that, there was speculation US customs was holding packages of soon to be banned substances then releasing them after they were banned and busting people...

I've not done any of these but 5-meo-mipt looks interesting. A lot times even if something doesn't get banned in Canada it just becomes unavailable, because the market isnt that big here....


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Re: DEA Proposes Adding 5 More Psychedelics to Schedule 1 Controlled Substances [Re: viraldrome]
    #27629189 - 01/23/22 03:54 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

:judyfacepalm:

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Re: DEA Proposes Adding 5 More Psychedelics to Schedule 1 Controlled Substances [Re: CapSlinger]
    #27629783 - 01/23/22 03:39 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

My first thoughts are "wow this is stupid of them", my following thoughts were "lol so they know now a ton of people are just going to start synthing and buying it en masse before the law happens" ahaha...

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Re: DEA Proposes Adding 5 More Psychedelics to Schedule 1 Controlled Substances [Re: kreg] * 1
    #27629837 - 01/23/22 04:44 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

It just doesn't seem like a whole bunch of people really use such obscure drugs anyway IMO

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Re: DEA Proposes Adding 5 More Psychedelics to Schedule 1 Controlled Substances [Re: Failboat]
    #27629963 - 01/23/22 05:54 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Quirkmeister92 said:
It just doesn't seem like a whole bunch of people really use such obscure drugs anyway IMO



i keep telling myself that i'm the only person that seriously wants pcp and mk801 etc and maybe because of this LEOs and like God will just let me have it and a cave somewhere where I can be alone and be my own schizophrenic rat test hueheueheuehahuehahoeheheeheoehaeohe
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Re: DEA Proposes Adding 5 More Psychedelics to Schedule 1 Controlled Substances [Re: veggie] * 1
    #27630102 - 01/23/22 07:59 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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veggie said:
4-Hydroxy-N,N-diisopropyltryptamine (4-OH-DiPT),
5-Methoxy-alphamethyltryptamine (5-MeO-AMT),
N-Isopropyl-5-Methoxy-N-Methyltryptamine (5-MeO-MiPT),
N,N-Diethyl-5-methoxytryptamine (5-MeO-DET),
and N,N-Diisopropyltryptamine (DiPT)



This is the weirdest list. Not that I'm complaining, I mean if they're going to ban something, uh, sure... go right ahead and ban these I guess...
:smilingpuppy:

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Re: DEA Proposes Adding 5 More Psychedelics to Schedule 1 Controlled Substances [Re: nooneman] * 1
    #27630121 - 01/23/22 08:18 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Ok so I've never even heard of those drugs, but seriously, why would anyone take an enforcement agency's advice on what chemicals should be made illegal?  Are they scientists?  How would the DEA know if there is any medical value in those drugs?  How about they clean up the schedule one list before adding anything else to it?
I'm about half drunk so it seems like a good time to pop over on that link and leave a few opinions on the matter

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Re: DEA Proposes Adding 5 More Psychedelics to Schedule 1 Controlled Substances [Re: kreg]
    #27630156 - 01/23/22 08:47 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Quirkmeister92 said:
It just doesn't seem like a whole bunch of people really use such obscure drugs anyway IMO



Quote:

kreg said:
i keep telling myself that i'm the only person that seriously wants pcp and mk801 etc and maybe because of this LEOs and like God will just let me have it and a cave somewhere where I can be alone and be my own schizophrenic rat test hueheueheuehahuehahoeheheeheoehaeohe
:manson:



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Re: DEA Proposes Adding 5 More Psychedelics to Schedule 1 Controlled Substances [Re: durian_2008] * 1
    #27630234 - 01/23/22 10:21 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Ya know, if Kreg or anyone else wants to go live in a cave and do drugs, who is anyone to judge that?
Like Fat Mike from NOFX says, "Are we men? Are we children? At what age can I choose how to live? If God created plants and buds that I find and abuse, then who the fuck are you to judge me?"


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Re: DEA Proposes Adding 5 More Psychedelics to Schedule 1 Controlled Substances [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #27630248 - 01/23/22 10:37 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
-- Genesis 12:1
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