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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: InsultingLizard]
    #27618237 - 01/14/22 08:37 AM (2 years, 13 days ago)

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I would suspect that WiFi is in over 70% of homes. Even if you do not have a wireless network in your home, your smart appliances and other devices transparently mesh with all other wireless networks around them. Those that have access remotely to these devices know the following:

If you are home, how many people are in the home, and where each person is within the home by utilizing reflected RF signal changes.



Complete bullshit. Both human bodies and walls are mostly transparent to radio. I'll believe someone can construct a makeshift radar for humans out of commercial access points when I see it. This is like saying you could count the hotdogs on your plate by screaming at it. Actually that sounds much more plausible.




Here is just ONE of multiple sources:

https://www.theverge.com/2015/10/28/9625636/rf-capture-mit-wifi-tracking-surveillance-technology

If the tech exists, would it not be rational and likely it is being used? You can bet it is.


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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: InsultingLizard]
    #27618264 - 01/14/22 08:57 AM (2 years, 13 days ago)

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intelligent algorithims playing guess who based upon clues in unstructured data correlated against myriad other external data sets, automatically to build probability score based profiles



I don't buy it. I mean, what reason is there even to think such algorithms exist, let alone that anyone is using them?
Now, it's believed* that the NSA has been archiving encrypted network traffic in the hopes of some day being able to decrypt it, but that's entirely different from what you're describing.


*I'm not saying it's a fact because I haven't seen sufficient evidence to that effect. I do believe it since it's certainly well within the realms of possibility, even if it makes me curious about their infrastructure and how they decide whether to archive a packet or not.




Regarding the NSA archiving encrypted traffic, here is a little history on US law and cryptography:

Phil Zimmermann created PGP. Shortly after creating it, people in other countries started using it which got him into hot water regarding the law against export of ANY device or program that has encryption capabilities. Phil had to code in a back door to PGP in order to avoid prosecution and possible prison. This tells one a great deal regarding supposed secure communications in the US. Al Queda recognized that PGP had a back door and suspected that the open source GPG did as well, so they developed Al Ansar based on open source GPG builds to ensure their communications remained secure.

I recommend you do a deep dive on the Cryptome and Wikileaks sites and you will see how deep down the rabbit hole that the US surveillance capabilities go. I always assume that anything I communicate over a network can be monitored. When they built to new NSA data centers in the US with one being near Salt Lake City, the company I worked for commissioned our high speed deep packet inspection platforms in both locations. The distributed data warehousing capabilities of the NSA can capture and store ALL traffic transmitted on the internet. Their challenge is not the capacity, but the ability to develop actionable real time intelligence from all of this data using algorithms and cutting edge optical tech for nano second data retrieval that is monitored in real time and also from their massive archives.

Note: Everything I stated above is public knowledge and not a violation of any NDA I am bound by.


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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: RedRH]
    #27618394 - 01/14/22 10:49 AM (2 years, 13 days ago)

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RedRH said:
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InsultingLizard said:
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Sugabearcrisp said:
intelligent algorithims playing guess who based upon clues in unstructured data correlated against myriad other external data sets, automatically to build probability score based profiles



I don't buy it. I mean, what reason is there even to think such algorithms exist, let alone that anyone is using them?
Now, it's believed* that the NSA has been archiving encrypted network traffic in the hopes of some day being able to decrypt it, but that's entirely different from what you're describing.


*I'm not saying it's a fact because I haven't seen sufficient evidence to that effect. I do believe it since it's certainly well within the realms of possibility, even if it makes me curious about their infrastructure and how they decide whether to archive a packet or not.




Regarding the NSA archiving encrypted traffic, here is a little history on US law and cryptography:

Phil Zimmermann created PGP. Shortly after creating it, people in other countries started using it which got him into hot water regarding the law against export of ANY device or program that has encryption capabilities. Phil had to code in a back door to PGP in order to avoid prosecution and possible prison. This tells one a great deal regarding supposed secure communications in the US. Al Queda recognized that PGP had a back door and suspected that the open source GPG did as well, so they developed Al Ansar based on open source GPG builds to ensure their communications remained secure.

I recommend you do a deep dive on the Cryptome and Wikileaks sites and you will see how deep down the rabbit hole that the US surveillance capabilities go. I always assume that anything I communicate over a network can be monitored. When they built to new NSA data centers in the US with one being near Salt Lake City, the company I worked for commissioned our high speed deep packet inspection platforms in both locations. The distributed data warehousing capabilities of the NSA can capture and store ALL traffic transmitted on the internet. Their challenge is not the capacity, but the ability to develop actionable real time intelligence from all of this data using algorithms and cutting edge optical tech for nano second data retrieval that is monitored in real time and also from their massive archives.

Note: Everything I stated above is public knowledge and not a violation of any NDA I am bound by.




Interesting abt the buildings
How many NDAs have they made you sign?

Im more a fan of nanotech & have helped "certain ppl " w putting it in window tint

Banks use it

Which banks I cant say

NDAs & such 😉👨🎤

It uses the same properties as Invisible ink


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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: oursoulsinmotion]
    #27618421 - 01/14/22 11:10 AM (2 years, 13 days ago)

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Interesting abt the buildings
How many NDAs have they made you sign?

Im more a fan of nanotech & have helped "certain ppl " w putting it in window tint

Banks use it



Ok this girl's kinda hot


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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: kreg]
    #27618452 - 01/14/22 11:36 AM (2 years, 13 days ago)

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Interesting abt the buildings
How many NDAs have they made you sign?

Im more a fan of nanotech & have helped "certain ppl " w putting it in window tint

Banks use it



Ok this girl's kinda hot




That's uh, that's a weird thing to say lol xD


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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #27618472 - 01/14/22 11:52 AM (2 years, 13 days ago)

:shrug: what? am I wrong? :lol:
Hahahaha dont listen to me Im gay and pscyhoschizo from eating so many APEs


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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: RedRH] * 1
    #27620339 - 01/15/22 09:06 PM (2 years, 12 days ago)

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Android and IOS user data can be recovered by law enforcement even if you remotely wipe your device.




How would they do that?




Just as files on a hard drive can be recovered unless you do a DoD deletion protocol of overwriting every bit in every sector 7 times, data recovery services can detect the low level formatting of data even after you permanently delete the file. I physically destroy hard drives and cell phones for this reason. 




That used to be true 20 years ago, but with modern hard drives the bits are so tiny that wiping them once is enough to make them unreadable, even to the NSA.

This technology used a TEM, which is very expensive and would be a very time consuming process and wouldn't work on solid state drives.


"Although there is a good chance of recovery for any individual bit from a drive, the chances of recovery of any amount of data from a drive using an electron microscope are negligible. Even speculating on the possible recovery of an old drive, there is no likelihood that any data would be recoverable from the drive. ... The fallacy that data can be forensically recovered using an electron microscope or related means needs to be put to rest."

-- https://www.sans.org/blog/overwriting-hard-drive-data/

See also https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/26132/is-data-remanence-a-myth


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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #27620370 - 01/15/22 09:57 PM (2 years, 12 days ago)

I just got the intel back..... Ythan and Geokills are cops you guise
:chong:


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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Alan Rockefeller] * 1
    #27620585 - 01/16/22 05:42 AM (2 years, 11 days ago)

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Alan Rockefeller said:
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RedRH said:
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Alan Rockefeller said:
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RedRH said:
Android and IOS user data can be recovered by law enforcement even if you remotely wipe your device.




How would they do that?




Just as files on a hard drive can be recovered unless you do a DoD deletion protocol of overwriting every bit in every sector 7 times, data recovery services can detect the low level formatting of data even after you permanently delete the file. I physically destroy hard drives and cell phones for this reason. 




That used to be true 20 years ago, but with modern hard drives the bits are so tiny that wiping them once is enough to make them unreadable, even to the NSA.

This technology used a TEM, which is very expensive and would be a very time consuming process and wouldn't work on solid state drives.


"Although there is a good chance of recovery for any individual bit from a drive, the chances of recovery of any amount of data from a drive using an electron microscope are negligible. Even speculating on the possible recovery of an old drive, there is no likelihood that any data would be recoverable from the drive. ... The fallacy that data can be forensically recovered using an electron microscope or related means needs to be put to rest."

-- https://www.sans.org/blog/overwriting-hard-drive-data/

See also https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/26132/is-data-remanence-a-myth




The fact the DoD 5220.22-M three pass standard exists is probably the root of all these myths.

I also think that a true wipe, whether 1, 10 or 32 times, is not something most people know how to do and they may think a quick format or reinstall of the os is a wipe. In those cases when a file is deleted they are fairly easily recovered. Plenty of info out there but I will provide a link for those who might want to wipe stuff.

https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/how-to-wipe-your-hard-drive

Wiping your android phone is much harder with a standard factory reset not doing much.

https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/the-best-way-to-completely-wipe-your-android-device/

Apple has a built in utility to erase data but I can't tell if it actually does an wipe.

https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/erase-iphone-iph7a2a9399b/ios


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But none of that matters to the topic of this thread as all forum activity passes over the internet and can be captured thusly.


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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: Sugabearcrisp] * 1
    #27620590 - 01/16/22 05:53 AM (2 years, 11 days ago)

https://www.ccleaner.com/ccleaner
^ This works wonders !

Thats how they recorved the data off of Adam lanzas HD even though he took an axe to it.

they recovered the packets of his comp connections thru his ISP records then mirrored what they could from the HD after splicing together the pieces
Ofcourse if he was looking at kiddie porn then thry already Were watching him, just not in the capacity/urgency that they should have....

And kreg ,all LEO has to do is submit a request for info logs for "TARGET PERSON " & by law they have to comply so in a really backwards mixed up kinda way they are.


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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: oursoulsinmotion]
    #27620943 - 01/16/22 10:53 AM (2 years, 11 days ago)

And all I have to do is be a good christian and share all the golden info about gods gardening with people if and when I get incarcerated. Because you can lock up people but you cant lock up an idea.


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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: oursoulsinmotion]
    #27624622 - 01/19/22 01:23 PM (2 years, 8 days ago)

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oursoulsinmotion said:
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RedRH said:
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InsultingLizard said:
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Sugabearcrisp said:
intelligent algorithims playing guess who based upon clues in unstructured data correlated against myriad other external data sets, automatically to build probability score based profiles



I don't buy it. I mean, what reason is there even to think such algorithms exist, let alone that anyone is using them?
Now, it's believed* that the NSA has been archiving encrypted network traffic in the hopes of some day being able to decrypt it, but that's entirely different from what you're describing.


*I'm not saying it's a fact because I haven't seen sufficient evidence to that effect. I do believe it since it's certainly well within the realms of possibility, even if it makes me curious about their infrastructure and how they decide whether to archive a packet or not.




Regarding the NSA archiving encrypted traffic, here is a little history on US law and cryptography:

Phil Zimmermann created PGP. Shortly after creating it, people in other countries started using it which got him into hot water regarding the law against export of ANY device or program that has encryption capabilities. Phil had to code in a back door to PGP in order to avoid prosecution and possible prison. This tells one a great deal regarding supposed secure communications in the US. Al Queda recognized that PGP had a back door and suspected that the open source GPG did as well, so they developed Al Ansar based on open source GPG builds to ensure their communications remained secure.

I recommend you do a deep dive on the Cryptome and Wikileaks sites and you will see how deep down the rabbit hole that the US surveillance capabilities go. I always assume that anything I communicate over a network can be monitored. When they built to new NSA data centers in the US with one being near Salt Lake City, the company I worked for commissioned our high speed deep packet inspection platforms in both locations. The distributed data warehousing capabilities of the NSA can capture and store ALL traffic transmitted on the internet. Their challenge is not the capacity, but the ability to develop actionable real time intelligence from all of this data using algorithms and cutting edge optical tech for nano second data retrieval that is monitored in real time and also from their massive archives.

Note: Everything I stated above is public knowledge and not a violation of any NDA I am bound by.




Interesting abt the buildings
How many NDAs have they made you sign?

Im more a fan of nanotech & have helped "certain ppl " w putting it in window tint

Banks use it

Which banks I cant say

NDAs & such 😉👨🎤

It uses the same properties as Invisible ink




I have signed literally hundreds over my career on every classified and even unclas projects both in and out of the DoD. I can freely post about what has already been made public and officially commented on, without fear of ruffling feathers to this point, although I can say that all DoD classified projects that are made public due to leaks, cannot be confirmed or denied unless they are officially declassified.


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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: RedRH]
    #27625265 - 01/20/22 01:29 AM (2 years, 7 days ago)

Mine was 74 pgs long


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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: oursoulsinmotion]
    #27627052 - 01/21/22 11:55 AM (2 years, 6 days ago)

A little birdy just informed me it's actually not much of a joke on this site if you think a member is law enforcement. Even if you are just goofing around saying dumb shit about someone randomly on OTD for instance. Like it is something that should be reported immediately. So there is that :shrug:


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Re: How Much LEO Surveillance do You Think the Forums Are Under? [Re: kreg]
    #27627141 - 01/21/22 01:24 PM (2 years, 6 days ago)

Well theyre now watching CT420. So theres that.


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