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The Purpose Of Mass Immigration Is, And Always Was, To Suppress Wages 2
#27626303 - 01/20/22 08:03 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Western World has had mass immigration of cheap labour for over half a century now. When it began, we were told that it was going to make us all richer by growing our economies. When it didn’t make us richer, we were told that we were benefitting from it anyway on account of the cultural benefits of diversity. By 2022, the propaganda isn’t working any more. Now, the ruling classes admit what intelligent working-class people knew all along.
The reality is that the entire purpose of mass immigration was to suppress wages. This was why it was introduced in the first place.
Mass immigration of cheap labour was pushed by the international banking and finance interests who won World War Two, knowing that the nationalists who would have resisted them were defeated. So those international banking and finance interests were free to demand whatever they wanted – and what they wanted was cheap labour.
Basic economics tells us that the price of any good or service is a function of its supply and demand. Increasing the supply of any good or service lowers its price, and decreasing the supply of any good or service raises its price. This logic is so well established that it’s taught to high school economics students all around the world.
The ownership class of the West has strenuously denied this basic economic logic ever since the mass importation of cheap labour began. Increasing the supply of labour would actually make workers richer, they claimed, because of some magical network effect that would lead to a rising economic tide lifting all boats. Opponents of mass immigration were declared to be guilty of something called The Lump of Labour fallacy.
These lies no longer convince the masses. The average worker is now so much poorer than 30 years ago that only the absolute dumbest of them still believes that mass immigration has been beneficial to anyone besides the ownership classes. The propaganda is no longer having the same effect – people have now caught on to the fact that the point of all the immigration was to suppress wages.
This was even admitted by the Irish Central Bank, who raised concerns that there weren’t enough immigrants coming into Ireland to have the desired “wage-dampening effect”. According to the bank, “sustained increases in net inward migration will be needed in the coming years to ensure that growth will be not impeded by labour supply constraints.” Apparently fair wages for native workers are an impediment to the most important thing of all: economic growth.
The same truth has also been admitted in New Zealand, where Lincoln University researcher Dr David Dyason conceded that “as labour supply tightens, the competition between industries to source students and other employees is expected to increase. This would lead to wage and salary increases.” The ruling class now appears unable to deny the basic economic logic that increasing the supply of cheap labour decreases wages.
The statistics bear this out. In the 12 months to November 2021, Kiwi salaries increased by a record 7.6 percent, and the total amount paid to workers in that time period increased by 9.6 percent. The reason for these massive increases is simple: because of immigration restrictions brought about by the coronavirus pandemic, employers were no longer able to undercut Kiwi workers by importing cheap labour from overseas.
The reality is that there’s nothing that benefits the native working classes more than restricting the supply of cheap labour. By the same token, however, there’s nothing that benefits the ownership classes less than restricting the supply of cheap labour. That’s why employers all over the Western World are bitching about “labour shortages”.
A “labour shortage” is the name given to the phenomenon of a low level of labour supply driving up the price. The price of labour, in the minds of our ruling class, is supposed to only go one way – down. That’s because labour is considered an expense to be minimised. The fact that the price of labour equals the prosperity of the working classes is ignored – the working classes aren’t considered people.
Employers all over the West are united when it comes to solving “labour shortages”: open the borders, let the cheap labour in. This unity exposes the fact that border control restricting the flow of cheap labour is extremely beneficial to the native working classes.
The Establishment has an entire mainstream media apparatus dedicated to denying this obvious reality. Convoluted reasons are given for why the mass immigration of cheap labour somehow makes us all better off – our countries are underpopulated, our countries are too white, better food, immigrants do the jobs natives are too lazy to etc. Then, if this nonsense doesn’t convince someone, they are simply smeared as racists.
The facts are these. The ownership classes and the international banking and finance interests are the only beneficiaries of the mass importation of cheap labour. Everyone else loses. Therefore, it can be confidently stated that anyone in favour of the mass importation of cheap labour is an enemy of the native working class.
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Re: The Purpose Of Mass Immigration Is, And Always Was, To Suppress Wages [Re: viktor]
#27626349 - 01/20/22 08:56 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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The US has a native fertility rate of a little over 1.6 children per woman. This is ~0.5 children less than replacement level. If the US closes its borders, then the population of the US will begin to drop by approximately 23.8% per generation.
Certain workers get paid less because they vote against unions and love the right to work. That's why your boss gets a raise every year and you don't.
Plus, this is capitalism. Sink of swim, baby. I've gotten at least a 10% raise every year every year since I finished college. What do you want, some socialist big government infrastructure job? Socialist higher minimum wages? Speaking of, your talk of "workers" makes me think you might be a bit of a pinko yourself. You're a worker in a land of individualism.
Just like you said, basic economics. You wanna get paid more? Increase your demand.
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Re: The Purpose Of Mass Immigration Is, And Always Was, To Suppress Wages [Re: Kryptos] 1
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I went into Walmart for the first time in a long time this morning and when I went to check out there were 15 people in a giant self service square bagging their own shit and 1 human working a register . The only reason I went is because the lines at the local grocery store are so bad now , more than half of the registers are always closed and allot of shelves are empty . 2 weeks ago I went into a fucking chevys and had to walk out because no one would serve me . Where are these workers the op is complaining about ? Customer service is so bad these days I'm happy if I get anything with a wet hole and a pulse.
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Re: The Purpose Of Mass Immigration Is, And Always Was, To Suppress Wages [Re: Psilynut2]
#27626628 - 01/21/22 05:10 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I worked one summer w some Legit Jamacians @ a Lobster co- op & I am ALL for them making decent coin compared to what they get back home . It isnt the foreign workers tht are f'in up our country, its Automation , ya know, a Robot replacing a human worker.
What is the economy like in NZ? I read on BBC that there is a homeless crisis rn, is that true OP?
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Re: The Purpose Of Mass Immigration Is, And Always Was, To Suppress Wages [Re: oursoulsinmotion]
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Yeah we've got our worst homelessness crisis ever. Open borders but don't build houses, it was inevitable. Still nowhere that looks as bad as that Philly video:
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Re: The Purpose Of Mass Immigration Is, And Always Was, To Suppress Wages [Re: Psilynut2]
#27626811 - 01/21/22 08:52 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Psilynut2 said: I went into Walmart for the first time in a long time this morning and when I went to check out there were 15 people in a giant self service square bagging their own shit and 1 human working a register . The only reason I went is because the lines at the local grocery store are so bad now , more than half of the registers are always closed and allot of shelves are empty . 2 weeks ago I went into a fucking chevys and had to walk out because no one would serve me . Where are these workers the op is complaining about ? Customer service is so bad these days I'm happy if I get anything with a wet hole and a pulse.
3 million boomers retired early last year, and now they complain about a worker shortage.
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If we build houses, then house prices will fall, and a bunch of boomers will become poor. We can't have poor boomers, so instead we have homelessness.
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Re: The Purpose Of Mass Immigration Is, And Always Was, To Suppress Wages [Re: viktor] 1
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Does OP think we should waste trillions on a militarized border? Or perhaps reevaluate the systems of oppression that exploit us every day?
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Re: The Purpose Of Mass Immigration Is, And Always Was, To Suppress Wages [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said: Does OP think we should waste trillions on a militarized border? Or perhaps reevaluate the systems of oppression that exploit us every day?
Well? What’s the solution, vik? Or are your politics purely reactionary?
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Re: The Purpose Of Mass Immigration Is, And Always Was, To Suppress Wages [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
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I bet viktor's former anarchist group asked the same question before kicking him out.
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Re: The Purpose Of Mass Immigration Is, And Always Was, To Suppress Wages [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#27643334 - 02/03/22 02:46 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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> oppose measures that lower working-class wages and make the lives of working-class people harder > He's a reactionary! Crucify him!
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Re: The Purpose Of Mass Immigration Is, And Always Was, To Suppress Wages [Re: viktor]
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Yeah you can’t see more than 6 inches in front of your face and that’s our fault.
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Re: The Purpose Of Mass Immigration Is, And Always Was, To Suppress Wages [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
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Are you aware that you stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Big Business and your corporate overlords on immigration?
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Re: The Purpose Of Mass Immigration Is, And Always Was, To Suppress Wages [Re: viktor]
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Yes, I always see The Ecstatic standing shoulder to shoulder with big business, OK.
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Re: The Purpose Of Mass Immigration Is, And Always Was, To Suppress Wages [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said: Does OP think we should waste trillions on a militarized border? Or perhaps reevaluate the systems of oppression that exploit us every day?
It's so rich when leftists suddenly develop a concern for fiscal responsibility.
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Re: The Purpose Of Mass Immigration Is, And Always Was, To Suppress Wages [Re: Kryptos]
#27644640 - 02/03/22 10:10 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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The native fertility rate is low because we're being taxed to death to pay for the indolent.
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Re: The Purpose Of Mass Immigration Is, And Always Was, To Suppress Wages [Re: Liverwort]
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The Ecstatic said: Does OP think we should waste trillions on a militarized border? Or perhaps reevaluate the systems of oppression that exploit us every day?
It's so rich when leftists suddenly develop a concern for fiscal responsibility.
I doubt anyone here contesting viktor's claims is worried about the fiscal cost of violating human rights. The point is that any attempt to secure a nations border from migrants will require a significant amount of money. For example: Australia, the EU, and the USA all currently spend ~5b/y (in their respective currencies) on border control. [These numbers might be low, I just did some very basic research] Considering people like victor consider current border protections insufficient, the current cost can be safely assumed as an underestimate of the true cost to effectively secure a national border.
If we further consider that the "Big Business and corporate overlords" operate under a system of global capitalism, any attempt to remedy this system of exploitation that limits itself to a nationalist approach will merely (if successful) shift that exploitation to other areas of the globe; rather than eliminate it completely. Global economic inequality is one of the major drivers of human migration, so any nationalist approach to protecting labour will need to continually increase border security expenditures - because greater inequality requires a greater amount of violence (or threat thereof) in order to maintain it.
Which is why, as The Ecstatic implies, the response to viktor's hypothesis is that we either spend trillions in the futile attempt to control the movement of humans or we directly challenge the economic system that allows exploitative "Big Business and corporate overlords" to exist in the first place. That neither you nor viktor appear able to provide any solution more developed than 'keep out the foreigners' lends weight to the idea that your politics are reactionary, rather than grounded in any actual critique of capitalism.
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Re: The Purpose Of Mass Immigration Is, And Always Was, To Suppress Wages [Re: Liverwort]
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The Ecstatic said: Does OP think we should waste trillions on a militarized border? Or perhaps reevaluate the systems of oppression that exploit us every day?
It's so rich when leftists suddenly develop a concern for fiscal responsibility.
I think he would very much favor fiscal responsibility, so it could fund other things than the military industrial complex and billionaires.
Just a little history lesson. No one previously ever blew up the budget like Reagan did. W did it for his fake war. Trump did it for his tax cuts that mainly favored the wealthy, then eventually he did it for COVID, which Biden continued.
Obama did it to save capitalism when all the big banks failed; he didn't do it right but it had to be done. Clinton used the market boom to operate at a great surplus.
So when conservatives talk about fiscal responsibility, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about? Herbert Hoover?
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Re: The Purpose Of Mass Immigration Is, And Always Was, To Suppress Wages [Re: viktor]
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The Ecstatic said: Does OP think we should waste trillions on a militarized border? Or perhaps reevaluate the systems of oppression that exploit us every day?
It's so rich when leftists suddenly develop a concern for fiscal responsibility.
It's even more rich when republicans pretend that they're fiscally responsible, because whenever they're in office it seems that the debt spikes higher. But that's to be expected, republicans are great at saying one thing and doing something else.
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False choice fallacy. I know, it's hard to imagine that there are more than two solutions to a problem. Conservatives really like their black and white thinking. Hell, they even adopted a black and white flag as a symbol.
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Re: The Purpose Of Mass Immigration Is, And Always Was, To Suppress Wages [Re: Kryptos] 1
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It's not a false choice. Big Business wants nothing more than open borders so that they can import cheap labour and undercut native workers for maximum profit. That leftists take the side of the cheap labour importers and not the native workers just shows how utterly ideologically bankrupt they are.
I'm not a conservative in any sense. Conservatives also stand with the cheap labour importers.
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Re: The Purpose Of Mass Immigration Is, And Always Was, To Suppress Wages [Re: viktor]
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I honestly don't think you came into this discussion very thoughtfully, Viktor. Not saying you aren't capable, but the fact is that this site is largely North American and some European members. New Zealand (assuming that is where you are from) has entirely different (albeit tangental) immigration issues.
As much as you might disagree, New Zealand has a much higher average quality of life by many measures, even compared to the US. And being an island nation it has way higher immigration barriers naturally, though, I do understand NZ is a complex system of islands. Australia is 1000 miles away, otherwise it's like Tonga. And let's be honest, NZ does a pretty good job of exporting people. A lot leave and never return. That's a tough thing to crack if you don't import some people.
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Re: The Purpose Of Mass Immigration Is, And Always Was, To Suppress Wages [Re: viktor]
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viktor said: That leftists take the side of the cheap labour importers and not the native workers just shows how utterly ideologically bankrupt they are.
That's an unintended consequence of an internationalist approach to human rights in a capitalist global economy. Just like your nationalist approach has the unintended consequence of outsourcing labour to countries with weaker labour laws. Either way, "Big Business and corporate overlords" will continue to profit off of worker exploitation.
You combat outsourcing by either fighting for international workers rights or trending towards a closed economy. Unfortunately, natural resources are not equally distributed - global trade is a necessity for a nation that wishes to access integral resources (in today's society) like chromium and lithium. An isolated nationalism isn't a viable strategy. On the other hand, fighting for international workers rights has the benefit of reducing the exploitability of cheap labour both outsourced and imported. So why do you prefer to stick to your nationalist disposition when we could ignite a global working class?
You don't get rid of weeds by running them over with a motor and scattering them everywhere else - you need to get right to the root and remove it entirely.
You don't get rid of the exploitation of workers through nationalism - you need to get right to the root, capitalism.
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Re: The Purpose Of Mass Immigration Is, And Always Was, To Suppress Wages [Re: Liverwort]
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The Ecstatic said: Does OP think we should waste trillions on a militarized border? Or perhaps reevaluate the systems of oppression that exploit us every day?
It's so rich when leftists suddenly develop a concern for fiscal responsibility.
Oh you mean the people who see things through a strictly material lense? Yeah real shock.
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viktor said: Are you aware that you stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Big Business and your corporate overlords on immigration?
The corporate overlords control every lever of power in the world, but rather than ask why or what to do differently, you’re content being a prisoner. So long as you’re imprisoned with prisoners from your own country, you’re happy as a clam.
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Re: The Purpose Of Mass Immigration Is, And Always Was, To Suppress Wages [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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shivas.wisdom said: You combat outsourcing by either fighting for international workers rights

Thanks to the union movement and a change of government to The Labor Party in 2007 foreign workers now enjoy exactly the same conditions as all Australian workers. Dismantling the unfair dismissal laws was the key, thank you to the ACTU and Fuck You ex Conservative PM John Howard.
Half a million New Zilanders living in Aus are doing well. The minimum wage is $19.50 but the average wage is far above that. A lot of Pacific Island nations even Indonesia benefit from the change in conditions.
The Aus workforce is/(was before covid) made up with 11% of overseas workers.
Imported labour doesn't have to cause problems if you have a government that actually does what the voters ask it to do.
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Re: The Purpose Of Mass Immigration Is, And Always Was, To Suppress Wages [Re: Stable Genius]
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That's great to hear.
Of course it's all by design, this beat down North American labour.
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Re: The Purpose Of Mass Immigration Is, And Always Was, To Suppress Wages [Re: asterix]
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New Zealand has similar workplace laws to ours so I don't really understand the OP's argument.
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Re: The Purpose Of Mass Immigration Is, And Always Was, To Suppress Wages [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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viktor said: That leftists take the side of the cheap labour importers and not the native workers just shows how utterly ideologically bankrupt they are.
That's an unintended consequence of an internationalist approach to human rights in a capitalist global economy. Just like your nationalist approach has the unintended consequence of outsourcing labour to countries with weaker labour laws. Either way, "Big Business and corporate overlords" will continue to profit off of worker exploitation.
You combat outsourcing by either fighting for international workers rights or trending towards a closed economy. Unfortunately, natural resources are not equally distributed - global trade is a necessity for a nation that wishes to access integral resources (in today's society) like chromium and lithium. An isolated nationalism isn't a viable strategy. On the other hand, fighting for international workers rights has the benefit of reducing the exploitability of cheap labour both outsourced and imported. So why do you prefer to stick to your nationalist disposition when we could ignite a global working class?
You don't get rid of weeds by running them over with a motor and scattering them everywhere else - you need to get right to the root and remove it entirely.
You don't get rid of the exploitation of workers through nationalism - you need to get right to the root, capitalism.
No nationalist would make his fellows unemployed so that he could more profitably import cheap shit made by foreign slaves. That wasn't even a concept during the age of nationalism.
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Re: The Purpose Of Mass Immigration Is, And Always Was, To Suppress Wages [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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How are you going to ignite a global working class when the working class in some countries has an IQ of 103 and the working class in other countries has an IQ of 60?
Working-class people in Singapore have nothing in common with working-class people in Equatorial Guinea.
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This is the age of global capitalism, and these capitalists aren't nationalists - they use nationalism to divide the working class, but they'll do business anywhere it's profitable. Working-class people in Singapore have more in common with working-class people in Equatorial Guinea, than they will ever have with the ruling-class of their own country.
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Re: The Purpose Of Mass Immigration Is, And Always Was, To Suppress Wages [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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Didn't read the thread, too short attention span. I've worked with various migrants, no personal problems with them, I liked a particular Iraqi (Saddam fan, AK47 bam bam bam) and (hey, we've got Merkeled here in 2015 or so and got a million of them, instead of spreading them out equally between EU countries, and now we've got that AfD nazi/anti-poke/whatever conspiracy crap shit going on too (reaching something like 20-25% in Germany's more eastern parts)...).
Main problem from my observation seems to be the language barrier.
A lot of Germans (I might be somewhat biased by being sometimes a little bit too open minded (mind sometimes goes full pi) in general seem unnecessarily anal about some things, especially these HR (wannabe) "MENSA materials" (what does an IQ test finally prove? You can solve an IQ test or not).
If you aren't speaking and especially writing proper German by the holy Duden, you'll have no chance, except slaving in a factory on minimum wage. If you're clever, you'll rather siphon off welfare, put money aside, get a lot of kids (more welfare "Kindergeld", also solves that pesky demographic problem, avoid stupid large TVs, drugs, booze, cigs, fancy Audis), put money aside, start a non tax paying business as a side hustle and move that money into your own tax paying business, improve your looney maundering skills, move even more non tax paying business worthless funny printed paper into your tax paying business, sell your start-up, once those HR sweeties start popping up and go all in on gold.
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Re: The Purpose Of Mass Immigration Is, And Always Was, To Suppress Wages [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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viktor said: That leftists take the side of the cheap labour importers and not the native workers just shows how utterly ideologically bankrupt they are.
That's an unintended consequence of an internationalist approach to human rights in a capitalist global economy. Just like your nationalist approach has the unintended consequence of outsourcing labour to countries with weaker labour laws. Either way, "Big Business and corporate overlords" will continue to profit off of worker exploitation.
You combat outsourcing by either fighting for international workers rights or trending towards a closed economy. Unfortunately, natural resources are not equally distributed - global trade is a necessity for a nation that wishes to access integral resources (in today's society) like chromium and lithium. An isolated nationalism isn't a viable strategy. On the other hand, fighting for international workers rights has the benefit of reducing the exploitability of cheap labour both outsourced and imported. So why do you prefer to stick to your nationalist disposition when we could ignite a global working class?
You don't get rid of weeds by running them over with a motor and scattering them everywhere else - you need to get right to the root and remove it entirely.
You don't get rid of the exploitation of workers through nationalism - you need to get right to the root, capitalism.
No nationalist would make his fellows unemployed so that he could more profitably import cheap shit made by foreign slaves. That wasn't even a concept during the age of nationalism.
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shivas.wisdom said: This is the age of global capitalism, and these capitalists aren't nationalists - they use nationalism to divide the working class, but they'll do business anywhere it's profitable. Working-class people in Singapore have more in common with working-class people in Equatorial Guinea, than they will ever have with the ruling-class of their own country.
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Re: The Purpose Of Mass Immigration Is, And Always Was, To Suppress Wages [Re: Brian Jones]
#27652359 - 02/09/22 01:30 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I suspect OP's solution is to replace the capitalists with "true nationalists".
Ya know, just like how we replaced political elites with a normal, everyday guy like Trump, who lives in the top floor of a skyscraper with his name on it and shits in a golden toilet. Just like the average American.
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Re: The Purpose Of Mass Immigration Is, And Always Was, To Suppress Wages [Re: Kryptos]
#27652387 - 02/09/22 01:52 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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When you have a government that is completely beholden to the biggest lobbyist group in the country like the Chamber of Commerce, that’s what you’re going to get: Policy written for and by the capitalists to the detriment of everyone and everything else.
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Re: The Purpose Of Mass Immigration Is, And Always Was, To Suppress Wages [Re: Kryptos]
#27652478 - 02/09/22 03:14 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'd be interested to see specifically when this age of nationalism occured. I'm willing to bet that foreign slaves were being used to create cheap imports even during viktor's mythical golden age.
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Re: The Purpose Of Mass Immigration Is, And Always Was, To Suppress Wages [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#27652615 - 02/09/22 05:17 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nationalist are working class males for the most part, with a few opportunistic leaders. They have almost nothing to do with capitalism and border policy, and if we want to be accurate border policy has little to do with actually happens with immigration.
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Re: The Purpose Of Mass Immigration Is, And Always Was, To Suppress Wages [Re: viktor]
#27656045 - 02/12/22 06:40 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Have you ever been to either country?
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Re: The Purpose Of Mass Immigration Is, And Always Was, To Suppress Wages [Re: The Ecstatic]
#27656388 - 02/12/22 01:05 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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viktor said: I can't speak for all anarchists, but the ones I know [...] blatantly hate the working classes and consider us dumb racists. [...] I used to be part of an anarchist group here in NZ before I was kicked out for opposing the mass importation of cheap labour.
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Re: The Purpose Of Mass Immigration Is, And Always Was, To Suppress Wages [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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