|
 Your_Mother
Stranger
Registered: 11/24/21
Posts: 3
Last seen: 2 years, 2 months
|
 Mixed substrate questions for the ether... 
#27614759 - 01/11/22 06:30 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Hey Everyone!
I've lurked under an old username in the past but lost my login and made my new account and started lurking with this one for a bit...but now I NEED the answers!
So a quick rundown: I have successfully cultivated mushrooms in the past but lost my PC tek cakes after second flush to contamination... Lesson learned hopefully.
This time I am doing better. I built a glove box, got a pressure cooker, a bag of whole oats from the grain store, and a variety pack spore syringe (4). I then started following the standard pf tek sterilization protocol but used whole oats, homemade brf, and vermiculite with a bit of phosphorus heavy guano with the idea of boosting the nutrients for the little ones.
Jars were colonized, dunked and rolled and birthed. Those are doing ok, and look to be producing pins and small mushrooms as well as some aborts (starting to darken up and stalled). I took a few jars and broke them up and spawned into grain jars, also into a couple straw/oat/coco/vermiculite monotubs.
So my question(s) are these: am I causing problems I don't even know about yet, using mixed substrates like this? Can I fruit my cakes in my cannabis grow tent? Or is that too much air and light? Is that causing my aborts? Should I stick to pure straw or pure grain and just case that with the coco/vermiculite standard protocol?
Please and thank you!
|
 LotKid
Never.Trust.A.Prankster
 
Registered: 01/07/17
Posts: 8,169
Loc: Shakedown St.
|
 Re: Mixed substrate questions for the ether... [Re: Your_Mother] 2
#27614813 - 01/11/22 07:41 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Wow. You are making things extra difficult for yourself.
Let me ask you some questions.
Guano, why? Did you get that idea from a grower or did you come up with that on your own?
Also why add straw to coco and verm?
Are you properly pasturizing your guano and straw?
What do you mean stick with straw or grains? Grains are used as spawn and straw is used as substrate. They're not really interchangable in this sense.
|
Your_Mother
Stranger
Registered: 11/24/21
Posts: 3
Last seen: 2 years, 2 months
|
Re: Mixed substrate questions for the ether... [Re: LotKid]
#27614864 - 01/11/22 08:54 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
LotKid said:
Wow. You are making things extra difficult for yourself.
-that's what I was thinking, hence the questions... And honestly I came here for this exact reason... To have an experienced cultivater shoot me straight.
Let me ask you some questions.
Guano, why? Did you get that idea from a grower or did you come up with that on your own?
- from myself after reading up on the psilocybin chemical pathway. Phosphorus was a primary nutrient needed for psilocybin to develop... Made sense after a few bong rips!
Also why add straw to coco and verm?
-to be honest, I wasn't really sure about the making of a bulk sub. Straw seemed to get good flushes while grain coco vermiculite was also a solid choice, I decided to mix them, allowing a complex nutritional substrate to develop with the easy colonization and fruiting on straw.
Are you properly pasturizing your guano and straw?
-yes I believe so. I use a PC at 15 psi for 90 minutes for my grain jars and allow to cool before inoculation... And I cook my 24 hour soaked straw/coco/vermiculite/oat bulk sub at 200* in a turkey pan covered with parchment and sealed with foil for 90 minutes then allow to cool before filling tubs and crumbling cakes/grains into them.
What do you mean stick with straw or grains? Grains are used as spawn and straw is used as substrate. They're not really interchangable in this sense.
- I read in P. stamets book that cased grain is a suitable cultivation method and also that straw was, so I figured I'd try them mixed to simulate a more natural environment... Bad idea?
|
LotKid
Never.Trust.A.Prankster
Registered: 01/07/17
Posts: 8,169
Loc: Shakedown St.
|
Re: Mixed substrate questions for the ether... [Re: Your_Mother] 3
#27615347 - 01/11/22 04:13 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Bad idea?
no no no my friend you have bad ideas on your hands.
i'm not gonna break down everything youre doing wrong and why because i dont feel like posting a wall of text. so, i'm gonna try to keep it short and sweet.
1. lose the guano
2. lose the straw
3. if youre adding uncolonized grain to your sub, stop it.
4. keep the coir and verm. hydrate to field capacity. no need to cook it.
5. keep doing your grain jars how youre doing them.
6. mix healthy looking jars with hydrated coir and verm
7. fruit and enjoy
|
Blackrainbow2
Stranger
Registered: 12/16/20
Posts: 371
Loc: right behind U
Last seen: 2 years, 2 months
|
Re: Mixed substrate questions for the ether... [Re: LotKid]
#27615558 - 01/11/22 07:32 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
1. lose the guano
2. lose the straw
3. if youre adding uncolonized grain to your sub, stop it.
4. keep the coir and verm. hydrate to field capacity. no need to cook it.
5. keep doing your grain jars how youre doing them.
6. mix healthy looking jars with hydrated coir and verm
7. fruit and enjoy
Lose the Verm too you don't need it either... pure coir works just fine..and saves ya some $$
Edited by Blackrainbow2 (01/11/22 07:33 PM)
|
zenarrow
Stranger
Registered: 02/09/17
Posts: 292
Last seen: 1 year, 10 months
|
Re: Mixed substrate questions for the ether... [Re: Blackrainbow2]
#27615606 - 01/11/22 08:47 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Blackrainbow2 said:
Quote:
1. lose the guano
2. lose the straw
3. if youre adding uncolonized grain to your sub, stop it.
4. keep the coir and verm. hydrate to field capacity. no need to cook it.
5. keep doing your grain jars how youre doing them.
6. mix healthy looking jars with hydrated coir and verm
7. fruit and enjoy
Lose the Verm too you don't need it either... pure coir works just fine..and saves ya some $$
Lotkid is a TC, I would bet my success on his advice homie....
|
zenarrow
Stranger
Registered: 02/09/17
Posts: 292
Last seen: 1 year, 10 months
|
Re: Mixed substrate questions for the ether... [Re: zenarrow]
#27615607 - 01/11/22 08:50 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Poor advice challenging Trusted Cultivators is one way to get them to read beginners post and much less offer true advice
|
SingularFusion
Registered: 10/31/18
Posts: 1,228
Last seen: 20 days, 10 hours
|
Re: Mixed substrate questions for the ether... [Re: zenarrow]
#27615700 - 01/12/22 12:03 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
everything lotkid said
and high levels of P are known to inhibit fungal populations, just saying
plenty of research with mycorrhizae demonstrating that
if you were gonna do guano, the high N variety is what you would want. But the grain is already full of nutrients, I have no idea why you would add guano to a mushroom substrate, this is not building supersoil Your_Mother
--------------------
🅃 🄴 🄰 🄼 🄲 🄻 🄸 🄽 🄶 🅆 🅁 🄰 🄿
|
 DERRAYLD
Constructus
Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 9,987
Loc: South Africa
Last seen: 39 seconds
|
Re: Mixed substrate questions for the ether... [Re: zenarrow] 1
#27615736 - 01/12/22 01:24 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
zenarrow said:
Poor advice challenging Trusted Cultivators is one way to get them to read beginners post and much less offer true advice
He is right though, verm is not necessary, it's just very good for getting the field capacity correct.
Lots of TC have and do grow without verm.
|
Benroxx
Strange(r)
Registered: 05/22/20
Posts: 146
Loc: Probably somewhere, EU
Last seen: 1 year, 5 months
|
Re: Mixed substrate questions for the ether... [Re: DERRAYLD]
#27615740 - 01/12/22 01:37 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
As long as you're not really experienced, you should avoid to mix and remix teks you don't really master.
- Guano will be loaded with contams of all sorts.
- colonized mycelium in grain is close to grain-2-gr1in, but probably way more contam'loaded, leading to failure.
- your growing tent is probably way to dry with to much air flow leading to being more dry, plus too much light.
[Edit] - forgotten point : you don't need to sterilize your bulk substrate! It often turns worse than better.
Master a tek of your choice before customize it, it will be easier to troubleshoot it.
--------------------
Sadly,no actual try at growing
Edited by Benroxx (01/12/22 05:22 AM)
|
Forrester
aspiring sociopath
Registered: 02/05/13
Posts: 9,352
Loc: Northeast USA
Last seen: 1 month, 11 days
|
Re: Mixed substrate questions for the ether... [Re: Benroxx]
#27615763 - 01/12/22 02:52 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Verm can be used, or not. It can help hold more moisture if you want more flushes. I'm going without it, because I don't need another ingredient to have to store in my small house, and because I'm cheap.
--------------------
Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability to lift an eye to heaven, conscious of his fleeting time here.
-------------------
Have some medicinal mushrooms and want to get the most out of them? Try this double extraction method.
|
Your_Mother
Stranger
Registered: 11/24/21
Posts: 3
Last seen: 2 years, 2 months
|
Re: Mixed substrate questions for the ether... [Re: Forrester]
#27615840 - 01/12/22 06:22 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Thanks for the input everyone... And I am aware that I'm doing things a bit unconventional but I'm ok with that. I really appreciate the quick help on here, thanks everyone! Ill dial things back a bit! The current tubs are pretty straightforward with coco vermiculite layers and fully colonized cakes crumbled up then covered with same coco vermiculite layer...so hopefully that will be a standard run...
|
Benroxx
Strange(r)
Registered: 05/22/20
Posts: 146
Loc: Probably somewhere, EU
Last seen: 1 year, 5 months
|
Re: Mixed substrate questions for the ether... [Re: Your_Mother]
#27615864 - 01/12/22 07:06 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
At least, 8t will be easier to help if needed!
--------------------
Sadly,no actual try at growing
|
LotKid
Never.Trust.A.Prankster
Registered: 01/07/17
Posts: 8,169
Loc: Shakedown St.
|
Re: Mixed substrate questions for the ether... [Re: Benroxx]
#27615870 - 01/12/22 07:13 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
I went without verm for a bit. It works but the added verm makes the consistency much better. Just coco can be heavy and clumpy. So i added the verm back because i like the consistency of the sub way better.
But to each their own. I get big bags of both from my local grow store. I find the 3 ingredients of coco, verm and water very easy to manage. But hey, that's just me.
Some ppl struggle with simple things. And that's okay.
|
|
Threaded
Previous
Index
Next
Autoflowering Cannabis Seeds 
Liquid Cultures 
Bridgetown Botanicals 
All-In-One Bags That Don't Suck 
Buy Bali Kratom Powder 
Bulk Substrate 
CVG Mushroom Substrate 
Buy Kratom Extract
Edit 
Reply 
Hippie3
1 2 all )
Lallafa
yogithehoneybear
Link
fugu
summitstealth