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Re: Popular Social Media People Being Banned for Mocking Anti-vax [Re: RedRH]
    #27640997 - 02/01/22 01:39 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry I meant 2021

Also HIV suddenly increased. That makes no sense. This is fake

2020 392 HIV infections for the entire year
January 2021 279 infections, an increase per month of over 1000%. Almost nobody was vaccinated in January 2021 and it takes weeks to months to confirm an HIV infection, so infections diagnosed in January would have occurred in October - December. No way that’s the vaccine so you need to find another hypothesis.

Also, strokes didn’t increase in 2020 during covid which caused a huge increase in strokes.

Sure.

It’s honestly embarrassing how ham handed they were faking this data. 2020 good. 2021 bad from day one. Lol


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Re: Popular Social Media People Being Banned for Mocking Anti-vax [Re: RedRH]
    #27641018 - 02/01/22 02:02 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Thinning the herd of the weak definitely happens. The ideal worker under capitalism dies the moment they cannot work, or if they have savings, dies the moment those savings run out.

That's kind of the point of the US healthcare system, actually. Private insurance tied to employment ensures that people work until they cannot, at which point their savings are drained by exorbitant prices, and they are left to die penniless.




How is that even comparable to COVID deaths among the high risk? Take a look at what COVID vaccines are doing to our armed forces. See my reply above to Koods with the source data from the DMED database. With the vaccine, it could be even the most healthy are subject to additional risk and injury.




The defense department has already acknowledged yesterday that the data is false.

Again, this can be shown with even the most basic fact checks. You keep linking random ass sources full of explicitly false claims. Have you ever considered just typing their claims into Google and seeing what pops up?

Edit: another way we know the numbers are false--it reports nearly 900k mental health symptoms. Which means that, of the total 1.4 mil people in the US military, fully two thirds are currently having an acute mental health crisis, according to that (false) data.

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Re: Popular Social Media People Being Banned for Mocking Anti-vax [Re: Kryptos]
    #27641024 - 02/01/22 02:11 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Wtf is wrong with people that they would make the effort to fake data like that, to scare people away from a vaccine that has saved a half million lives. It’s evil.


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Re: Popular Social Media People Being Banned for Mocking Anti-vax [Re: Kryptos]
    #27642359 - 02/02/22 11:51 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Thinning the herd of the weak definitely happens. The ideal worker under capitalism dies the moment they cannot work, or if they have savings, dies the moment those savings run out.

That's kind of the point of the US healthcare system, actually. Private insurance tied to employment ensures that people work until they cannot, at which point their savings are drained by exorbitant prices, and they are left to die penniless.




How is that even comparable to COVID deaths among the high risk? Take a look at what COVID vaccines are doing to our armed forces. See my reply above to Koods with the source data from the DMED database. With the vaccine, it could be even the most healthy are subject to additional risk and injury.




The defense department has already acknowledged yesterday that the data is false.

Again, this can be shown with even the most basic fact checks. You keep linking random ass sources full of explicitly false claims. Have you ever considered just typing their claims into Google and seeing what pops up?

Edit: another way we know the numbers are false--it reports nearly 900k mental health symptoms. Which means that, of the total 1.4 mil people in the US military, fully two thirds are currently having an acute mental health crisis, according to that (false) data.




I stated previously that I HOPE the data is wrong. This was not an intentionally false claim but a claimed error in the database. I fail to see the intent to deceive. Again, I am damn glad it is in error and only claimed that based on the data given that it appeared accurate. I did research the claim, but that was three days ago. The fact checking did not come until after this date. Your assertion that I just post without performing a due diligence search is therefore incorrect. I went with the data that was available at the time and still ensured that I did not claim it was verified accurate. Show me my error of intent or failure to do a simple search from my previous posts on this report. Again, I even stated I hoped it was not accurate. Expose my intentional lie. You admit they just YESTERDAY acknowledged the data was in error. Show me ANY intent to deceive.

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Re: Popular Social Media People Being Banned for Mocking Anti-vax [Re: koods]
    #27642365 - 02/02/22 11:54 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Wtf is wrong with people that they would make the effort to fake data like that, to scare people away from a vaccine that has saved a half million lives. It’s evil.




Read the DoD statement. It was a database error and no intent to deceive is indicated. They acknowledge the report came from the official database and NOTHING was intentionally faked as you now claim. What is your evidence that this is an intentional fake? Please read the statement regarding this from the DoD.

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Re: Popular Social Media People Being Banned for Mocking Anti-vax [Re: RedRH]
    #27642695 - 02/02/22 04:31 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Thinning the herd of the weak definitely happens. The ideal worker under capitalism dies the moment they cannot work, or if they have savings, dies the moment those savings run out.

That's kind of the point of the US healthcare system, actually. Private insurance tied to employment ensures that people work until they cannot, at which point their savings are drained by exorbitant prices, and they are left to die penniless.




How is that even comparable to COVID deaths among the high risk? Take a look at what COVID vaccines are doing to our armed forces. See my reply above to Koods with the source data from the DMED database. With the vaccine, it could be even the most healthy are subject to additional risk and injury.




The defense department has already acknowledged yesterday that the data is false.

Again, this can be shown with even the most basic fact checks. You keep linking random ass sources full of explicitly false claims. Have you ever considered just typing their claims into Google and seeing what pops up?

Edit: another way we know the numbers are false--it reports nearly 900k mental health symptoms. Which means that, of the total 1.4 mil people in the US military, fully two thirds are currently having an acute mental health crisis, according to that (false) data.




I stated previously that I HOPE the data is wrong. This was not an intentionally false claim but a claimed error in the database. I fail to see the intent to deceive. Again, I am damn glad it is in error and only claimed that based on the data given that it appeared accurate. I did research the claim, but that was three days ago. The fact checking did not come until after this date. Your assertion that I just post without performing a due diligence search is therefore incorrect. I went with the data that was available at the time and still ensured that I did not claim it was verified accurate. Show me my error of intent or failure to do a simple search from my previous posts on this report. Again, I even stated I hoped it was not accurate. Expose my intentional lie. You admit they just YESTERDAY acknowledged the data was in error. Show me ANY intent to deceive.




I never said you had intent to deceive. I said:

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You keep linking random ass sources full of explicitly false claims.




I could go into more detail, and specify right wing partisan sources known for hosting false claims. Like rumble, the Canadian site for videos banned from youtube, and what appears to be the personal website of a right wing podcaster/military guy/antivaxxer.

That doesn't mean you're intentionally trying to deceive us, you might just be stupid. Or gullible. Or just not doing your due diligence--again, you should probably find data suggesting that 2/3rds of the military is currently suffering an acute mental health crisis very suspect. Hanlon's Razor.

Either way, I consider you to be somewhat less credible than the neutral slate you started with a week or so ago, in my mind.

Edit: Take from that what you will. There are right wing people I disagree with, but still respect. There are right wing people that I disagree with, and do not respect. I don't think there are any republicans left that I agree with, anymore.

There are also right wing people that do not care whether I respect them or not. On the flipside, I do not care whether most people respect me or not. There are a few people on these forums whose opinions of me I care about, but most opinions of me don't matter to me. If my opinion of you matters to you, then use sources that are not easily shown to be false. There are many legitimate right wing arguments that I am willing to consider. Claiming an unrelated video from 2018 is covid related, or using a database glitch as the foundation of an argument, is not something I am willing to consider legitimate.

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Re: Popular Social Media People Being Banned for Mocking Anti-vax [Re: Kryptos]
    #27643764 - 02/03/22 11:05 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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I never said you had intent to deceive. I said:

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You keep linking random ass sources full of explicitly false claims.




I could go into more detail, and specify right wing partisan sources known for hosting false claims. Like rumble, the Canadian site for videos banned from youtube, and what appears to be the personal website of a right wing podcaster/military guy/antivaxxer.

That doesn't mean you're intentionally trying to deceive us, you might just be stupid. Or gullible. Or just not doing your due diligence--again, you should probably find data suggesting that 2/3rds of the military is currently suffering an acute mental health crisis very suspect. Hanlon's Razor.

Either way, I consider you to be somewhat less credible than the neutral slate you started with a week or so ago, in my mind.

Edit: Take from that what you will. There are right wing people I disagree with, but still respect. There are right wing people that I disagree with, and do not respect. I don't think there are any republicans left that I agree with, anymore.

There are also right wing people that do not care whether I respect them or not. On the flipside, I do not care whether most people respect me or not. There are a few people on these forums whose opinions of me I care about, but most opinions of me don't matter to me. If my opinion of you matters to you, then use sources that are not easily shown to be false. There are many legitimate right wing arguments that I am willing to consider. Claiming an unrelated video from 2018 is covid related, or using a database glitch as the foundation of an argument, is not something I am willing to consider legitimate.




I am not going to offer my critical reply to that here in the forum. I will DM you with it.

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Re: Popular Social Media People Being Banned for Mocking Anti-vax [Re: RedRH]
    #27643924 - 02/03/22 12:47 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Wtf is wrong with people that they would make the effort to fake data like that, to scare people away from a vaccine that has saved a half million lives. It’s evil.




Read the DoD statement. It was a database error and no intent to deceive is indicated. They acknowledge the report came from the official database and NOTHING was intentionally faked as you now claim. What is your evidence that this is an intentional fake? Please read the statement regarding this from the DoD.




It’s fake. You can tell by the data itself and I already posted the reasons why it should be obvious.

You keep posting that video of the Pfizer ceo claiming he’s talking about the covid pill, when the video was made five years ago and he says nothing about covid. Either you are a shameless liar or you are incredibly dumb


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    #27644164 - 02/03/22 03:44 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Reason for deletion: Methinks the point has been made

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Re: Popular Social Media People Being Banned for Mocking Anti-vax [Re: Kryptos]
    #27645212 - 02/04/22 09:58 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

So, you decided to copy and paste my DM to you. You just confirmed to all what I expected. This is what one can expect from an immature individual. I will add this: When the DoD clarified that the data in the report was in error, they stated explicitly that the prior five years data was UNDER REPORTED. They did NOT state the 2021 data was incorrect. There goes your data analysis. There are MANY possible explanations for the data with one being that the same military member goes to several appointments and when they are diagnosed, it is very common that they have multiple symptoms. If they come back to the same clinic, it could peg again on the stats. One of the most common mental issues in the military is generalized anxiety and it is screened for after every deployment and during scheduled evaluations or when a military member goes to a military treatment facility for any reason. I am not surprised by this. There still could be a significant rise in each of the categories even AFTER they correct for the under reported data.

You know NOTHING about the DoD. I was an active duty combat leader for over 20 years and NONE of this surprises me. We do not sit behind desks our whole lives. Our jobs and missions are extremely physically demanding every day we are deployed, and when NOT deployed, training in conditions that replicate high intensity war which usually are even MORE physically and mentally demanding, but for shorter periods of time.

The three whistleblowers are military doctors and they STILL stand by the data and have sworn under oath that the data is correct and is NOT under reported and they back this up by data going back since DMED came on line.
But of course, thank fucking god we have you and Koods to set those "liars" straight.

The data I provided was from an OFFICIAL DoD data base. It does not get any better than that. I will remind your short attention span challenged ass that the three military doctors have SWORN on the veracity and accuracy of the data. I wonder who is lying? The DoD talking head or these doctors? Apparently your are woefully behind on how this story is now developing. I am stating this because I am not trying to convince you. This is just for the record for the rest of the community to consider when dealing with your immaturity.

"No, it is not. If you bring a turd into my living room, set it on my coffee table, and then tell me "well, I don't really know who made this turd, let's go find out" I don't give a fuck who made the turd, you brought that shit here, so it is on you. The correct response would be "oh, my bad, let me remove this video link that is clearly false" not "well, lemme go ask the video creator what they think". The video creator doesn't give a shit, if they did, they wouldn't have made the video. I don't give a shit, because I know the video is false. You, sir, have just been left "holding the bag", in the parlance of scammers."

I left it intact and also noted here and to the person that uploaded the video, that he must provide citation for his video. I admitted that although the video itself is accurate, the connection to COVID is considered BS. I commented TO his video for others to know instantly it is BS until he can prove it isn't, which he cannot.

Regarding the DMED report, here is the testimony before Congress that identifies the whistleblowers, but you will ignore it as it may impugn your delusions and your delicate and very ruffled sensibilities:

https://rumble.com/vt62y6-covid-19-a-second-opinion.html

What I do not have access to and neither do you, are the data point definitions and rules that trigger a record. I know from EXPERIENCE that what may seem incredible and out of range, may be valid and have a valid explanation such as the FACT I stated above regarding anxiety screening which then triggers follow up for diagnosis and treatment if it is significant. We used to joke about it when I was in that we are all diagnosed with anxiety in those screenings where the ENTIRE combat brigade is screened for deployment, and on return. Again, you think you know something. I will not call you stupid, just uninformed and emotionally triggered as evidenced by your cut and paste of my DM because you got mad as you admitted and that is your hissy fit response.

I just looked at your post history. You are just like Koods: Trolls. You contribute little to none to the community.

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Re: Popular Social Media People Being Banned for Mocking Anti-vax [Re: RedRH]
    #27645246 - 02/04/22 10:20 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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And then bringing that butthurt-ness to my DMs.




You should be banned.

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Re: Popular Social Media People Being Banned for Mocking Anti-vax [Re: RedRH]
    #27645292 - 02/04/22 10:57 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

It's curious to me that data is screenshotted from a now defunct website, then uploaded to Terminal X (a wordpress running site), when the reports are widely available on the new site.

https://www.health.mil/Military-Health-Topics/Combat-Support/Armed-Forces-Health-Surveillance-Division/Reports-and-Publications/~/link.aspx?_id=534E26BD8E5D4ECC8CAA8ABA47679691&_z=z


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Re: Popular Social Media People Being Banned for Mocking Anti-vax [Re: RedRH]
    #27645327 - 02/04/22 11:22 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Also, in every single page of the screenshotted data they use Ambulatory Data. Not hospitalizations or reportable events. The discrepancy could be as simple in a change of reporting methods for ambulatory events in 2021. Also, in all but one page for 2021 results, the tab showing "Results" at the top isn't shown it is cutoff. The 2021 pages could be population numbers or something else for all we know. Finally, why wouldn't they just put all those years in a single table? Why is the 2021 page always a different screenshot with only that years results?

Shady screenshot source, stored on a non official server, with several decent questions about how the data was acquired and sorted, especially since the supposed source has since changed websites. It all smells a bit fishy and a little too convenient.


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Re: Popular Social Media People Being Banned for Mocking Anti-vax [Re: christopera]
    #27645350 - 02/04/22 11:46 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

For fun I joined Terminal X and it appears to be an infowars, antivax, conspiracy forum for military members. I can't imagine where that fake data came from, but it is the perfect place to post it.

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Re: Popular Social Media People Being Banned for Mocking Anti-vax [Re: christopera]
    #27645365 - 02/04/22 11:58 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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I just looked at your post history. You are just like Koods: Trolls. You contribute little to none to the community.




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Re: Popular Social Media People Being Banned for Mocking Anti-vax [Re: christopera]
    #27645421 - 02/04/22 12:40 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Also, in every single page of the screenshotted data they use Ambulatory Data. Not hospitalizations or reportable events. The discrepancy could be as simple in a change of reporting methods for ambulatory events in 2021. Also, in all but one page for 2021 results, the tab showing "Results" at the top isn't shown it is cutoff. The 2021 pages could be population numbers or something else for all we know. Finally, why wouldn't they just put all those years in a single table? Why is the 2021 page always a different screenshot with only that years results?

Shady screenshot source, stored on a non official server, with several decent questions about how the data was acquired and sorted, especially since the supposed source has since changed websites. It all smells a bit fishy and a little too convenient.




I have the raw source data that was used. Download the spreadsheet. Regarding the story they tell, the three military doctors that leaked it have sworn to the accuracy of the report and they have shown that the official DoD statement that the five prior years were undercounted is incorrect when they provided the data for many years prior. It could be the DoD is downplaying the report. What has been confirmed by the DoD is that the 2021 numbers are correct. The doctors that leaked it were surprised by the sharp rise and looked into if anything changed regarding the database record definitions and confirmed that nothing had changed regarding the policies that direct when data is entered. Someone is lying. Either the doctors are lying under sworn oath, or whomever drafted the DoD response to the report. If you would like, I can provide the raw data or you can grab it from the same site and verify the unhidden/unprotected formulas to see if there are any intentional misrepresentation or manipulation of the raw data that was used for the slides. I reviewed the data and formulas and found no error in how they are calculated. As I have stated before, I hope the source data is wrong. I really want it to be wrong because the alternative is horrific. At minimum, this is how the ultimate facts are weeded from fiction by folks asking questions and demanding the truth. If this data was intentionally misrepresented by the doctors that leaked it, then they are liable for perjury and prosecution under UCMJ. They know this and they have put their reputations and careers on the line and risk prison for disclosing this data. Someone is lying and we all deserve to know the truth and demand the liars be prosecuted. I think we can agree on this.

Just as incredible one may find the report, it demands action to determine if it is accurate, if it is a database error, or if it was intentionally manipulated. Since it is out there, it can't be just disregarded offhand as we deserve transparency.

I can tell you from experience that this information in the report is FOUO and is NOT to be released without approval and declassified for general public distribution. These doctors know that, yet I speculate they leaked it as they felt the info was critical to public safety. This does not absolve them from their violation of sensitive document control policies. They have some big balls for releasing it and have fallen on their sword to do so. The reason this data is considered sensitive and not for public distribution is because it contains force readiness information that an enemy, or even allies to the US would find valuable.

I do not subscribe or even patronize infowars. This was the only link to the raw data I could find. The congressional testimony of the three doctors lawyer confirmed and echoed the numbers you see in the report and raw data.

The question remains, who is lying? We will find out soon enough as the cat is now out of the bag and someone is going down.

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Re: Popular Social Media People Being Banned for Mocking Anti-vax [Re: ModularMind]
    #27645425 - 02/04/22 12:42 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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And then bringing that butthurt-ness to my DMs.




You should be banned.




If you look at his post history, he contributes very little to the community and is focused on politics and conspiracies. I do not understand why he even joined. Same goes for Koods. Both are uncivil and abusive to others in the community.

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Re: Popular Social Media People Being Banned for Mocking Anti-vax [Re: RedRH]
    #27645453 - 02/04/22 12:58 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

What exactly are you even trying to prove? Is that covid pills track you? That the DoD misreported data?

Let's just agree that those two PDF's are completely worthless.


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Re: Popular Social Media People Being Banned for Mocking Anti-vax [Re: RedRH]
    #27645482 - 02/04/22 01:08 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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And then bringing that butthurt-ness to my DMs.




You should be banned.




If you look at his post history, he contributes very little to the community and is focused on politics and conspiracies. I do not understand why he even joined. Same goes for Koods. Both are uncivil and abusive to others in the community.




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Re: Popular Social Media People Being Banned for Mocking Anti-vax [Re: ModularMind]
    #27645521 - 02/04/22 01:30 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Lol, ban me then.

Or go find a safe space. Shouldn't be too hard, you've already identified the forums I frequent.

Edit: ironic given the thread.

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