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Fining businesses for unvaccinated workers, isn't this illegal? 1
#27613346 - 01/09/22 06:56 PM (2 years, 18 days ago) |
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Hello shroomery, was wondering if anyone who knows about legal matters had any thoughts on this. I am unvaccinated against C19, I recently applied for a job and was eventually told that vaccination was a requirement and that religious and medical exemptions aren't allowed because the DPH in the state has started to fine businesses for having unvaccinated employees.
I don't understand how this is not a violation of my rights and/or discrimination. Isn't this illegal?
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Re: Fining businesses for unvaccinated workers, isn't this illegal? [Re: Anonymous #1]
#27613384 - 01/09/22 07:32 PM (2 years, 18 days ago) |
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The supreme court is just now hearing oral arguments on Biden's vaccine mandate for businesses with a certain number of employees. I guess we'll see what they say.
What he said about medical exemptions though probably isn't true. If there is a legitimate medical exemption and it isn't honored, that is illegal.
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Re: Fining businesses for unvaccinated workers, isn't this illegal? [Re: Anonymous #1] 2
#27613389 - 01/09/22 07:33 PM (2 years, 18 days ago) |
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Anonymous #1 said: This does not answer your question but my personal belief is that there is nothing we can do about it because
Revelation 13:
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive the mark of the beast:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
The vaccine is the mark of the beast. And the unvaccinated are being persecuted all around the world.
Actually, that is a missquote.
Revelation 13:16
"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:"
I always ask for my vaccines to be injected in my forehead.
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Re: Fining businesses for unvaccinated workers, isn't this illegal? [Re: VP123] 2
#27613416 - 01/09/22 08:01 PM (2 years, 18 days ago) |
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For one religion would never enter the equation for me as for/against the vaccine because I don't believe in that malarky.
2. There are plenty of required vaccines in our life already. You need them before certain grades in schools. You need them in infancy because let's face it no one wants polio or the other horrible virus' that have basically been eradicated. To this I always hear the vaccine is different and it's not a traditional vaccine. For me, I trust science, If the experts say it's okay to take, and at this point 100s of millions of people around the world if not into the billions have gotten it.
We need to work together for the common good and abandoned 'My Rights' mentality. You may never save a family from a burning building or save a person in an emergency room in clutch heart surgery; but now you have a chance to save a huge number of people by getting it. Also wear surgical mask in public and keep your distance.
We could have been over this by now if people would have just listened to logic and reason and had a middle school biology understanding of viruses.
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Re: Fining businesses for unvaccinated workers, isn't this illegal? [Re: Anonymous #1] 1
#27613495 - 01/09/22 09:29 PM (2 years, 18 days ago) |
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Satan is inside you already. Hes the voice that defies logic and reason and believes he is going to heaven.
You are doomed. The sooner you realize this the closer you will get to God.
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Re: Fining businesses for unvaccinated workers, isn't this illegal? [Re: Gorguss]
#27613524 - 01/09/22 09:50 PM (2 years, 18 days ago) |
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Gorguss said: For one religion would never enter the equation for me as for/against the vaccine because I don't believe in that malarky.
2. There are plenty of required vaccines in our life already. You need them before certain grades in schools. You need them in infancy because let's face it no one wants polio or the other horrible virus' that have basically been eradicated. To this I always hear the vaccine is different and it's not a traditional vaccine. For me, I trust science, If the experts say it's okay to take, and at this point 100s of millions of people around the world if not into the billions have gotten it.
We need to work together for the common good and abandoned 'My Rights' mentality. You may never save a family from a burning building or save a person in an emergency room in clutch heart surgery; but now you have a chance to save a huge number of people by getting it. Also wear surgical mask in public and keep your distance.
We could have been over this by now if people would have just listened to logic and reason and had a middle school biology understanding of viruses.
You’re out of your mind trusting these people..
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Re: Fining businesses for unvaccinated workers, isn't this illegal? [Re: Amanita86] 2
#27613552 - 01/09/22 10:13 PM (2 years, 17 days ago) |
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Amanita86 said:
You’re out of your mind trusting these people.
I used my mind to come to a reasonable conclusion. There are two sides to this thing, one says 'scientist don't know wtf they are talking about.'
The other side talks with uncertainties. They talk as if they don't know everything because the data hasn't come in yet but they guestimate based on their fields of study.
One side is relatable, and I can comprehend the projections, and likely outcomes and most importantly what viruses do when they spread rampant through populations that people refuse to take precautions and try and slow it.
People are mad 'The goal post keeps moving' well news flash, it is mutating because people didn't follow the basic things, we all had to do, to stop it from getting to this point.
My golden rule is if you believe in a divine entity and/or soul you most likely won't be swayed by evidence because you already have core systems that you believe in without a shadow of doubt with exactly ZERO evidence.
This is inductive logic, and it is where your/their Satan lives. Inside every tiny mind that can't believe there's nothing but this, and when it's over, your over. You go back into the earth from whence you came. That is the answer. If God existed, this would be his litmus test for his warriors, people who can reconcile this world for what it is and not what they'd like it to be.
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Re: Fining businesses for unvaccinated workers, isn't this illegal? [Re: Gorguss]
#27613591 - 01/09/22 10:49 PM (2 years, 17 days ago) |
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Ok so this has kind of gotten off topic...
Gorguss it would take a while to type out all of my reasoning for choosing to stay unvaccinated. I posted in the conspiracy theory covid vaccine thread some things but to summarize a few main points:
- This vaccine was developed and approved faster than any vaccine in the history of the world. Their is a established protocol that most vaccines follow before they are approved, Fauci said this himself, generally it takes 10 years but in some extreme circumstances maybe as fast as 5 years. I don't care how many scientists we have working at one time on a vaccine, their is no substitution and no short cut to long term safety data. Long term safety data for this vaccine DOES NOT EXIST, but we are going to coerce people and threaten their livelihood to take it? That is not America. Also, for the people who love to talk about mRNA technology being invented in the 1980s, while that is true, mRNA is the mechanism of this vaccine, not the vaccine itself.
- The companies themselves have absolutely horrible scars on their reputation. Feel free to search about all the lawsuits that they have settled over the years. Moderna had never successfully developed any pharmaceutical prior to their vaccine. They also have no liability at all for adverse effects, including permanent disability and death. Do you really think it's a good idea for a young, healthy adult with likely more than 99% chance of surviving C19 take the risk of being disabled, with no recourse if you do have an adverse event?
- Censorship is rampant these days. Science is not something that cannot be questioned, although it seems anyone who speaks out about these vaccine mandates is quickly silenced and discredited. I have seen and heard many cases of ivermectin, among other vitamin supplements, being successful in treating C19 when administered early. Ivermectin itself was already discredited as "horse paste" on the news, even though it won the nobel prize for being a safe and effective multi faceted drug for its use in humans. Dr. Pierre Kory is a doctor doing a lot of great work to spread this information. The fact that the only narrative ever being pushed is the vaccine is insanity.
- I honestly do not buy the narrative that it is the unvaccinated who are driving the virus to mutate. I think that it makes more sense that it would be the vaccinated who are driving the mutations. Geert Vanden Bossche has videos on his website where he describes how vaccinating with a leaky vaccine (one that does not actually prevent infection or transmission) during a pandemic puts unnatural stress on the virus to mutate. If you know anything about immunology, antibodies play a small role in viral immunity, and although antibodies would indicate prior infection, the absence of antibodies not always mean you are no longer protected. Viral immunity is facilitated by killer T cells and memory B cells which can seek out and destroy virus infected cells. To me it makes more sense that if people who are vaccinated can still be infected, the virus would need to try to mutate to more readily infect them. He also describes how we will never reach herd immunity if we continue to vaccinate with a leaky vaccine. Furthermore, I have heard many intelligent people talk about how constant injections of this mRNA is actually hurting our immune system and causing it to become weaker. Of course, we have no long term data on this, so no one really knows. But it's why I feel much safer waiting.
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Anyway, so it this shit illegal or not? It creates a bias for any employee. You are no longer hiring the best candidate if they are not vaccinated and unvaccinated people get discriminated against when they look for work.
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Re: Fining businesses for unvaccinated workers, isn't this illegal? [Re: Revolutionine] 1
#27613605 - 01/09/22 11:06 PM (2 years, 17 days ago) |
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Revolutionine said: Ok so this has kind of gotten off topic...
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Anyway, so it this shit illegal or not? It creates a bias for any employee. You are no longer hiring the best candidate if they are not vaccinated and unvaccinated people get discriminated against when they look for work.
The Supreme Court ruled mandatory vaccination in the state did not violate the first amendment. While acknowledging the personal freedom of U.S citizens, Judge Justice John Marshall Harlan said in an opinion at the time that "the rights of the individual in respect of his liberty may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the safety of the general public may demand."
https://www.newsweek.com/have-vaccines-ever-been-mandated-history-joe-biden-100-million-people-george-washington-1627750
It is legal. It has done before. Part of the reason this is taking a while for the supreme court to rule on this one is that not all could be present, because they were out with COVID, the irony.
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Re: Fining businesses for unvaccinated workers, isn't this illegal? [Re: Revolutionine] 3
#27613608 - 01/09/22 11:08 PM (2 years, 17 days ago) |
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Revolutionine said: I don't understand how this is not a violation of my rights and/or discrimination. Isn't this illegal?
"49 of the 50 US states have “employment at will” laws, which gutted worker protections, reduced or eliminated fair labor relations boards, and made it absolutely legal for employers to terminate employees with or without notice and with or without cause for any reason whatsoever as long as the reason isn’t membership in a protected class.
So, yes, it’s legal.
I see this question a lot on Quora, and I must confess I do literally, not figuratively, laugh every time I see it.
When Ronald Reagan was in office, one of the big conservative legislative pushes was to gut fair worker relations laws and abolish fair labor relations boards in favor of a system that offered basically zero worker protections. Worker protections are Socialist! Fair labor laws are government intrusion in private business! Business works better without government oversight!
Conservatives battled ceaselessly for decades to pass these laws. Liberals kept saying “you know, if you pass these laws, there will come a day when they’re used against conservatives” and conservatives were all “no, no, no, never happen, I can’t hear you la la la.”
Now here we are. 49 states have implemented at-will employment laws, and…
Conservatives are having their contracts dropped because of the things they Tweet. Conservatives who don’t want to wear masks or get vaccinated are getting fired. And conservatives are all “it’s not fair this can’t be legal how dare you do that MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS!”
We told you.
We told you this would happen.
Yes. Yes, it is legal."
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Re: Fining businesses for unvaccinated workers, isn't this illegal? [Re: Anonymous #1]
#27613875 - 01/10/22 08:46 AM (2 years, 17 days ago) |
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Anonymous #1 said: This does not answer your question but my personal belief is that there is nothing we can do about it because
Revelation 13:
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive the mark of the beast:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
The vaccine is the mark of the beast. And the unvaccinated are being persecuted all around the world.
Word ive been saying thid all along hence why I hold a sign now that says "JESUS CHRIST IS COMING REPENT! " On sundays
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Re: Fining businesses for unvaccinated workers, isn't this illegal? [Re: Revolutionine]
#27614353 - 01/10/22 06:19 PM (2 years, 17 days ago) |
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Revolutionine said: I don't understand how this is not a violation of my rights and/or discrimination. Isn't this illegal?
You have the right to be unemployed.
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Re: Fining businesses for unvaccinated workers, isn't this illegal? [Re: CreonAntigone]
#27615663 - 01/11/22 10:27 PM (2 years, 15 days ago) |
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CreonAntigone said: The supreme court is just now hearing oral arguments on Biden's vaccine mandate for businesses with a certain number of employees. I guess we'll see what they say.
What he said about medical exemptions though probably isn't true. If there is a legitimate medical exemption and it isn't honored, that is illegal.
That’s the federal mandate.
I don’t think there’s any question a state has the authority to do it
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Re: Fining businesses for unvaccinated workers, isn't this illegal? [Re: koods] 1
#27616931 - 01/13/22 05:03 AM (2 years, 14 days ago) |
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It wont pass THis whole vaccine /get the jab add campaign is all tied to money Nothing money Fauci & his lakeys just want to bleed u financially before u die and Boom next in line You there!! V accurate Hes in deep w the Chinese & all they want to do is take over the world They cant do it w population (They have tried that Now they r just gonna kill off everyond that isnt them)
https://www.southasiamonitor.org/china-watch/chinas-2049-plan-big-challenge-world
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Re: Fining businesses for unvaccinated workers, isn't this illegal? [Re: oursoulsinmotion]
#27616935 - 01/13/22 05:08 AM (2 years, 14 days ago) |
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It’s bizarre to me how many people pro jab won’t at least admit there’s a little fuckery it seems with our fearless, all knowing leaders who show us mercy and love. Not even just a little? But hey then I remember we’re in the mecca of make pretend realities so why fucking burden yourself with all that work? Take a pill and smile
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Re: Fining businesses for unvaccinated workers, isn't this illegal? [Re: Amanita86] 1
#27616948 - 01/13/22 05:26 AM (2 years, 14 days ago) |
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Seems pretty straightforward. The government wants people to get vaccinated because it reduces mortality and suffering, unburdens the healthcare system, saves massive amounts of money and helps prevent economic loss.
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Re: Fining businesses for unvaccinated workers, isn't this illegal? [Re: oursoulsinmotion]
#27617131 - 01/13/22 09:35 AM (2 years, 14 days ago) |
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oursoulsinmotion said: It wont pass THis whole vaccine /get the jab add campaign is all tied to money Nothing money Fauci & his lakeys just want to bleed u financially before u die and Boom next in line You there!! V accurate Hes in deep w the Chinese & all they want to do is take over the world They cant do it w population (They have tried that Now they r just gonna kill off everyond that isnt them)
https://www.southasiamonitor.org/china-watch/chinas-2049-plan-big-challenge-world
Getting 'the jab,' I hate this phrase, vaccinated is better, is free so I don't know what money he's bleeding from me or anyone else that gets it for that matter.
On the other hand, hospital stays and treatments in America are totally FUCKED and to anyone without great insurance will be financially hamstrung for years.
Some president not too long ago tried to get Healthcare up to speed with the rest of the world but failed because of right-wing, Republicans, conservatives, power-hungry-mobsters-ruining-America, opposition in the gub'ment.
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Re: Fining businesses for unvaccinated workers, isn't this illegal? [Re: Gorguss] 1
#27617239 - 01/13/22 10:49 AM (2 years, 14 days ago) |
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Wasn't the first president that tried to get healthcare up to speed with the rest of the world.
Certain Americans really love the freedom to die in debt.
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