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Drug dealer jailed after sharing a photo of cheese that included his fingerprints 3
#27608468 - 01/05/22 10:14 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Say cheese! "A drug dealer whose fingerprints were analyzed by police when he shared a photo of his hand holding a block of cheese has been sentenced to 13 years and six months in prison." https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/25/uk/drug-dealer-cheese-sentenced-scli-gbr-intl/index.html
I've seen photos on here where folks share pictures of shrooms that clearly show their fingerprints. Maybe stop doing that?
This article is from about a half year ago, but still relevant.
If you think "I just grow, I don't deal", you're technically a manufacturer, which can be legally worse.
I'm sure there are law enforcement who'd love to bust someone from what they post on here, no matter how small, just to try to scare us into not doing what we love. Because that's how cops are.
Edited by nektar61 (01/05/22 10:35 PM)
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Re: Drug dealer jailed after sharing a photo of cheese that included his fingerprints [Re: nektar61] 3
#27608780 - 01/06/22 07:57 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've been telling people about this since that post last year. I'm combing through my pics as well to delete any hand pics.
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Re: Drug dealer jailed after sharing a photo of cheese that included his fingerprints [Re: tyrannicalrex] 1
#27609077 - 01/06/22 12:16 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Drug dealer jailed after sharing a photo of cheese that included his fingerprints [Re: durian_2008] 1
#27609142 - 01/06/22 01:21 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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That article gives me second thoughts about using the Signal app.
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Re: Drug dealer jailed after sharing a photo of cheese that included his fingerprints [Re: schmutzen]
#27609176 - 01/06/22 01:51 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yep.
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Re: Drug dealer jailed after sharing a photo of cheese that included his fingerprints [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#27609271 - 01/06/22 03:09 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Some people with qualified immunity do not want their faces recognized via AI, or would seem to have body doubles, in online gossip.
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Re: Drug dealer jailed after sharing a photo of cheese that included his fingerprints [Re: nektar61]
#27609352 - 01/06/22 04:19 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Moved by veggie from News forum Old article, previously posted. Better suited here to discuss the security and safety aspects.
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Re: Drug dealer jailed after sharing a photo of cheese that included his fingerprints [Re: schmutzen]
#27609356 - 01/06/22 04:23 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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namaste said: That article gives me second thoughts about using the Signal app.
I use Signal and I don't think what happened would apply to Signal. But you never know.
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Re: Drug dealer jailed after sharing a photo of cheese that included his fingerprints [Re: schmutzen] 3
#27609363 - 01/06/22 04:31 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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namaste said: That article gives me second thoughts about using the Signal app.
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namaste said: That article gives me second thoughts about using the Signal app.
I use Signal and I don't think what happened would apply to Signal. But you never know.
Signal is tied to your phone number. It might be safe(ish) if you used it on a burner phone, never added any other apps on that burner phone, never used the phone to call anyone you're not talking to on Signal, etc.
One problem with Signal is even if the messages are encrypted, cops can find out who is talking encrypted to whom, and how often. That can be useful info in an investigation, or to see who to investigate.
Also, if the other person gets arrested, and they don't regularly delete messages, your messages are all saved on their device.
I don't like encryption tied to a phone number, but if you're going to do that, Telegram allows YOU to delete your remote messages. The other person can still screenshot them, but if they're honest, and you delete them remotely, there's nothing proven except that you talked encrypted to that person.
I have a dedicated encrypted Linux laptop for this hobby. It cost me about 100 bucks.
I use two VPNs, friend I trust runs one, etc. Dedicated emails, etc. I recommend people do the same. Not foolproof, but better than nothing.
If you use Linux, keep it up to date. Out-of-date Linux can be less secure than up-to-date Windows.
Also be careful what you reuse, as far as user names, phone numbers, etc.
Remember, the Silk Road guy got busted for posting here. He had an encrypted laptop, but he posted this post on Shroomery: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13860995
And used the same user name here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=47811.msg568744#msg568744
Note that he used his real-name email name in that post.
Feds figured it was the same guy. Found the guy. Went through his trash (which is legal to do without a warrant...what's in YOUR trash?)....found evidence he was the guy, then got warrants to intercept packages of his, found a bunch of fake IDs he had made...
He had a couple fed cop guys assigned to him (who are now in prison for stealing Bitcoin from Silk Road, haha).
Average person on here probably doesn't have his own fed, but the site might have someone assigned to try to figure out who is who.
Remember, with the cheese guy, they cracked the encrypted app, got all the messages, but still didn't bust this dealer until he took that cheesy photo with his finger prints.
I bet it's not uncommon for people's ordinary hobbies or likes to be the thing that gets them caught in one way or another.
One thing I recommend people do is have REAL encryption, not "real" encryption tied to your phone number. Look into chat using OMEMO and PGP.
This shit isn't rocket science. And even when you're a big-brain genius like Silk Road guy, you can fuck up.
Part of what lead to him being busted was that he never did drugs. So he'd never learned to be careful in the way a lot of people on here try to be careful, and have been since we were young.
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Re: Drug dealer jailed after sharing a photo of cheese that included his fingerprints [Re: nektar61] 1
#27611271 - 01/08/22 06:42 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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This shit demands more details. 1 cops dont just have everyones fingerprints thats movie shit 2 how did they intercept a private encrypted message unless there was something like a snitch involved 3 the guy wasnt just some petty degenerate hobbyist he was trafficking heroin, cocaine, mdma, and ketamine
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Re: Drug dealer jailed after sharing a photo of cheese that included his fingerprints [Re: kreg] 2
#27611873 - 01/08/22 03:55 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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kreg said: This shit demands more details. 1 cops dont just have everyones fingerprints thats movie shit 2 how did they intercept a private encrypted message unless there was something like a snitch involved 3 the guy wasnt just some petty degenerate hobbyist he was trafficking heroin, cocaine, mdma, and ketamine
A bunch of dealers were using some suspicious thing...like an app made for drug dealers, cost a bunch of money. That was their first problem right there, using something like that.
The thing got compromised...so cops had a bunch of conversions in real time but couldn't tie some of them to anyone.
The cheese fan sent a cheese photo ON THE COMPROMISED APP, cops knew he was a big (sort of) fish from his chats on there, and tied his chats to his name with the fingerprint. Which means the obviously have his prints on file. But it's not unheard of that someone who's dealing weight of white powders has been arrested for something in the past.
So that was the funky mob app, which no smart person would use. A lot of people do private drug talk on WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram. At least one of those is owned by Facebook. Do you trust Facebook? (speaking to the room in this whole response, not just to you kreg).
A big hole in all stay out of jail plans is that cops can search anyone's trash in the US without a judge signing off on it, and a lot of municipalities will likely cooperate with them. What trash guy won't help a cop, they're on the same team. And if trash guy says no, he's suspect.
What's in your trash? (again, for the room.)
There are a million ways people get caught, but the most common is someone talking.
Anyone contemplating this should ask themselves: who knows you grow shrooms (plus whatever else you do), and how many of them would go to jail for you? How many of them, if busted for something else, would keep quiet?
Most people would just spill, even stuff they think doesn't have any use.
Silk Road guy's bust involved them busting a cohort, plus searching trash, plus tying a user name Shroomery to a real email elsewhere.
Most people on here are probably under the radar of their local cops. But if you've been busted for anything, you're not under the radar. If you even call the cops and they come to your house, you're not under the radar.
The ideal situation is the cops to not know you exist.
There's a book called "Arrest Proof Yourself", I recommend it. It's written by an ex-cop who is now a lawyer. There are other books like that worth checking out, find them on book sites from the "people who read this also read..." on that book.
The hardest way to get busted is to only break the law in your own home, tell no one, have no roommates, keep your car registration up, never get pulled over, never drive much past the speed limit, don't be politically active, don't go to street rallies, have no one know what you do except you and your brain.
I learned from that book that the way a lot of people get busted is an ex-lover they pissed off just wants to make them have a bad time and makes a call.
Most people don't even know the law. A lot of people who have drugs in their home or car say "yes" to a cop requesting to a search. That is stupid and crazy, but happens every day.
Cops bluff, say "We can wait for the drug dog, or you can get out of here now if you let me do a quick search", even when there is no probable cause to get a drug dog. People think they hid their drugs where the cop can't find. But a lot of the time, the cop finds the drugs. Or finds rolling papers or an empty baggie, something to actually get the drug dog, pop the trunk, etc.
Anytime I post shit like this on here, and I have done it several times, someone acts like I'm being paranoid. But there are a lot of people in prison who wouldn't be if they'd read a thread like this, or read a book like "arrest proof yourself."
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Re: Drug dealer jailed after sharing a photo of cheese that included his fingerprints [Re: nektar61]
#27611911 - 01/08/22 04:36 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah I thought so
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Re: Drug dealer jailed after sharing a photo of cheese that included his fingerprints [Re: kreg]
#27611931 - 01/08/22 04:59 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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kreg said: Yeah I thought so
Thought what? There are several points in my reply.
Oh, to anyone reading this, there's a related post below this one, it's from 17 years ago, but good info of people on here who've actually been fucked over by having cops know their name: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/3419966
Good info on what not to do.
If I dealt drugs, I'd tell clients "if you double park on my block or blast music within two blocks you're cut off."
Shit like this one, this type of thing is so common:
I got popped for simple posession at my dealer's house. Another tard who was there parked right in front of a no parking sign which caused the pigs to come to the door to ask said tard to move his vehicle. On reaching the porch, they said they smelled weed and asked if they could come in, and the dumbass dealer let them in!
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Re: Drug dealer jailed after sharing a photo of cheese that included his fingerprints [Re: nektar61]
#27611954 - 01/08/22 05:15 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Really? My focal point cops arent omniscient malevelont demigods lmao they have powers only within the realms of reality and part of that is 1 they dont have everyones fingerprints and actions logged into a database, thats mostly aggravated criminal data and people under active investigation. 2 The messenger was compromised 3 the guy was peddling real actual drugs, not just growing a tiny amount of weed for himself I have zero interest in arguing about any of this further, goodbye.
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Re: Drug dealer jailed after sharing a photo of cheese that included his fingerprints [Re: kreg]
#27611969 - 01/08/22 05:29 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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kreg said: Really? .... I have zero interest in arguing about any of this further, goodbye.
I wasn't arguing. haha. You asked a question, I answered it.
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Re: Drug dealer jailed after sharing a photo of cheese that included his fingerprints [Re: kreg] 2
#27612434 - 01/09/22 04:59 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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kreg said: Really? My focal point cops arent omniscient malevelont demigods lmao they have powers only within the realms of reality and part of that is 1 they dont have everyones fingerprints and actions logged into a database, thats mostly aggravated criminal data and people under active investigation. 2 The messenger was compromised 3 the guy was peddling real actual drugs, not just growing a tiny amount of weed for himself I have zero interest in arguing about any of this further, goodbye.
Nothing wrong with taking precautions though...
Doesn't seem like something to get upset about, but also idk about you kreg but when I was in elementary every kid in my school was fingerprinted "in case we got kidnapped" or whatever, and anyone who has even spent a day in jail has been fingerprinted. I reckon the ven-diagram of users with prints on file isn't a perfect circle, but probably not far off.
Lots of users here are blatantly manufacturing pounds of felonies, thats not nothing. But again I think the main point is make sure to take precautions, and that doesnt seem like a concept to get defensive over
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Re: Drug dealer jailed after sharing a photo of cheese that included his fingerprints [Re: Tri-Polar]
#27613121 - 01/09/22 03:29 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tri-Polar said: ... when I was in elementary every kid in my school was fingerprinted "in case we got kidnapped" or whatever, and anyone who has even spent a day in jail has been fingerprinted..
So true.
There are lots of ways to get fingerprinted in addition to those: any job involving large amounts of money, anyone who has applied for a concealed carry pistol permit (and to even legally buy a gun in some states and some countries).
Even cashing checks in a ghetto check cashing place requires a thumbprint, and some banks demand the same to cash a check from a different bank or out of town, a large amount, anything that raises their suspicion. Fingerprints can be extrapolated from thumbprints, at least enough to look closer. Plus that guy showed part of his thumbprint in the cheese photo.
I have no idea why krag got upset, but I think it's about him, not me.
My replies weren't really even about him or even specifically about fingerprints. In every response on this thread I was addressing the room about the ways people can get busted....that's why I posted the article to start this thread, to start a conversation that can't be had often enough on here.
Prisons are full of people who once felt invincible.
Edited by nektar61 (01/09/22 03:41 PM)
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