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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: worowa]
#27595226 - 12/26/21 02:47 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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worowa said: Disclose it to the public. If you want to help the "community", that is. If you prefer to help lawyers, and your self, try and patent it. And you say you will use the funding for more research to help the "community"...how? By patenting more things?
I don't think it's going to be the complete game changer you claim, if all you are doing is reducing pc time, for spawn. Maybe a slight change.
I have used sodium percarbonate as an "additive" for the same purpose. And various washing powders. They work, but tend to strip some nutrients from the grains during the soak.
Look in my journal I’ve already made a handful of good write ups that are free to the community, I know there’s a lot of skepticism and you may be a bit cynical because other capitalists have cashed in on ideas and created a monopoly of control and wealth but I reassure you that’s not my goal
I make a decent wage 72k a year with a very low cost of living so I’m not highly motivated by money (but it does help) if it wasn’t for research and being able to prove my theories I probably wouldn’t even pursue the endeavor, I’m primarily do this to be able to say I can do something others haven’t been able
there’s so many people that just shut ideas down with disregard for others who might have the answers If you’ve failed at something it doesn’t mean the next person will, there’s always a chance someone found a new way even if it’s unlikely I still believe optimism is better then cynicism 😉
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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: 7Suns] 1
#27595271 - 12/26/21 03:10 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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7Suns said: Not trying to make waves so no offense to you but its not polite to make assumptions at first glance, feels a bit disrespectful that you have assumed that I can’t identify contamination, or need the help of TC’s
That's not what I said.
I said your posts are not helpful to this community without pictures.
If you want to be scientific and do an experiment, people need to see your work and evaluate it for themselves.
Are we just supposed to trust anyone who asserts their grains look fine without any proof?
I don't understand why you'd come to this community and be so confident about your methods but be unwilling to show any of this work. What are you afraid of? If your work is as good as you claim, people would learn from it.
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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: CreonAntigone] 1
#27595341 - 12/26/21 03:55 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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7Suns said: Not trying to make waves so no offense to you but its not polite to make assumptions at first glance, feels a bit disrespectful that you have assumed that I can’t identify contamination, or need the help of TC’s
That's not what I said.
I said your posts are not helpful to this community without pictures.
If you want to be scientific and do an experiment, people need to see your work and evaluate it for themselves.
Are we just supposed to trust anyone who asserts their grains look fine without any proof?
I don't understand why you'd come to this community and be so confident about your methods but be unwilling to show any of this work. What are you afraid of? If your work is as good as you claim, people would learn from it.
At this point I feel you’re trying to goad me into revealing more then I wish, therefore there’s no need for pictures yet, besides what’s the point? Can you prove the pics are actually of the test jars? Or of normally sterilized jars??? Seriously come on man stop phishing for details
Ok again not trying to make problems but
- the post is not intended to “be helpful to the community” at least not yet, until I’ve decided that I wish to reveal my methods, otherwise I will make it a tek after the final results are in
-if I determine it to be successful, it’s probably in my best interest, not to let random strangers on a forum “evaluate its scientific merit” I would be better off to seek legal counsel from a patent lawyer or release it in an official science publication and have someone with an actual degree test and publish the findings
- I’m not asking you to trust or believe, let’s just say for arguments sake this is all hypothetical 😉 since you’re getting hung up on the need for “proof” ....... there will be plenty of documentation and proof when the experiments are done, be patient this is an active and ongoing thread
- I didn’t just come to this community lol what? I’ve been here for years.... longer then you as it appears, I’m not afraid or unwilling, this is a process and you are not allowing it to follow its natural coarse
And a final note, I’m not sure why you are trying to berate me I understand the distrust because “seeing is believing” but lighten up man, I’ve provided as much as I’m willing to share.
more then likely I’ll post pictures as I update this thread so if you stick around you’ll see the results in the end
It’s like they say “Patiences is a virtue”
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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: 7Suns] 1
#27595404 - 12/26/21 04:37 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think people are having a hard time with the contrast in saying this is an ongoing idea and calling it a success in the title of the thread. You can’t call anything a success until it’s proven successful. Perhaps this idea needs a little more vetting and trial and error before being put out to this community for scrutiny. You are doing some very unorthodox cultivation methods, with both the possible sterilization of grains and your makeshift flow hood, so you have to expect doubts from everyone. The burden of proof that these methods are successful lies fully on you. Pictures are pretty much the best way to show evidence of your methods working, at least around these parts.
I want to see your methods revolutionize mycology, as you hope to, but I remain very doubtful. This idea is still in its infancy.
Also, you have come to a forum filled with some of the best mycologists in the world who have spent years/decades refining their craft and who freely share their ideas and knowledge with anyone who asks. I don’t blame anyone trying to support themselves financially with whatever they have learned, but the tradition of this place is steeped in mycology for mycology’s sake, not financial gain, so coming here to ask whether you should share this info with us is kind of ignoring what the shroomery is all about. Aint gonna hate the hustle at all but you should probably recognize that.
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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: mind.at.large]
#27595470 - 12/26/21 05:46 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mind.at.large
That’s reasonable, and yes I expected scrutiny I’ve seen it all over every place mycology is discussed, shroomery, Reddit, Facebook, discord etc hell it’s not even limited to mycology, it’s in practically every specialty trade
As far as the flowhood that i can 100% prove, I plan to post a write up on it later so feel free to build and test it for yourself I promise you will not be disappointed
All I ask of you is a little faith and keep lurking, you’re going to see great things
Hell I just found out by accident that you can use Unmodified gallon ziplocks / press & seal bags (don’t pressure cook, but possibly longer time lower temp steam sterilization like in commercial farms would be useful for supplemented sawdust) I was able to colonized 4 out of 5 gallon ziplocks of 20% supplemented hwfp with shiitake
I actually pre sterilized the shwfp first in rigid pp5 bakery bags but they busted in the flowhood so last minute I tried to salvage them and tossed into ziplocks and it worked this isn’t practical or ideal but it gives me inspiration to experiment with ziplocks more now) It’s these little discoveries that push us in the right direction
Honestly didn’t know that was possible and would have had doubts myself if it didn’t happen first hand
Apparently they come sterile inside from the factory as long as you spray the outside with isopropyl first and only open it in the flowhood

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27594212
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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: 7Suns]
#27595472 - 12/26/21 05:48 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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I edited the title of the post to better suit the claim does that help?
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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: 7Suns]
#27595487 - 12/26/21 06:01 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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I also deleted the last bit about patenting but unfortunately I don’t think I can take down the poll
Because the majority is against it so far, this suggests I probably should
But for now let’s just watch and see what the results are in the next few weeks
I appreciate everyone’s comments even the doubters, nay sayers are my motivation
I will be back with updates next weekend
Hopefully I don’t have to eat my own words 😂 Thanks again!
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Edited by 7Suns (12/26/21 06:02 PM)
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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: 7Suns] 4
#27595525 - 12/26/21 06:41 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Seriously come on man stop phishing for details
Phishing for details? I suppose I am. We're in a forum about mycology so I want to see the mycology and hear about it. Such is the point of the forum.
My post is all about the science. Disagree if you want. But your tone isn't appreciated. I am merely asking scientific questions on a science forum. Be prepared to face science questions here.
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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: CreonAntigone]
#27595579 - 12/26/21 07:42 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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I wouldn’t exactly consider this a science forum it’s a bit of a hodgepodge of all aspects of fungi as well as unrelated topics There’s a good handful of people I would consider mycologist and then there’s amateur mycologist, and it goes even further to individuals that are not scientifically minded at all they just follow others techniques
I don’t appreciate your tone either ..... (or mine for that matter lmao I wish I was a lighter complexion 😂) but this is the way of the world we live in so let bygones be bygones I guess,
I’m not mad at you for wanting more details or trying to find errors in my research and experiments this is what the community is supposed to do I get that but you did start off pretty strong so let’s pump the breaks and start over,
I tried to edit the post to be less conflicting and over winded as well as make sense of the ramblings of a mad man (adhd so there’s a million things going on in my head at all times, making it hard to form coherent streamlined thoughts let alone type them into existence?
Yea I’m a bit unorthodox but i don’t want to burn bridges or make enemies that’s not my goal either so I do apologize in that aspect
Hopefully you will stick around to see this all the way through to the end And again thank you for sticking around this long and for the input even if it did cause a difference of opinion between us
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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: 7Suns]
#27595585 - 12/26/21 07:46 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you can't tell us what it is at least tell us what it isn't, and please tell us it's not colloidal silver. I don't want my spores I sent to be put in that position.
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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: Smartattack]
#27595599 - 12/26/21 07:55 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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😂😂 that’s hilarious I forgot you sent me something, I recognized the name but couldn’t remember where from, no my friend I don’t cultivate any active species all of my experiments and cultivation is above board with gourmet cultures, those were for a friend and as “shroomery currency” as I like to call it so I can trade them around lol
It’s not colloidal silver or “healing crystals” or any of that other pseudoscience lol
But come on guys don’t phish for details this isn’t 21 questions
If this works, I’ll try to see if there’s any potential to offer it to the commercial cultivation industry first and if there’s no takers then I’ll just say the hell with it and share it with everyone here
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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: 7Suns]
#27596844 - 12/27/21 10:48 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just a quick update, I just did another set of jars that were microwaved instead of pressure cooked, just to test the extremes of this experiment
Also getting ready to do a minimum 15 minutes at 15 psi test to see just how short of a sterilization time is possible with the pressure cooker
Oh and day 7 still no contamination, the oyster cultures on the 2 inoculated control jars are looking healthy, might reach 80-100 % colonization by next week depending
Will update soon
Also Im testing a faster version I made
Vs
The original
Just trying to really find every possible variation and build on the ones that produce the best results for the least time/effort
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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: 7Suns]
#27596913 - 12/28/21 02:40 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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I fear the same flaws in your research 7Suns
You surely need a large sample size, held for a much longer time period, results confirmed by microscopy... at the least, to in any way call it science, much less actually being conclusive
I woulda thought that would be automatic knowledge to a guy of your experience mate
Otherwise, all the best with your endeavours and we look forward to seeing how it all turns out
Please update
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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: SingularFusion] 2
#27596938 - 12/28/21 03:48 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't know if it's been mentioned already, but if you're trying to show absence of contamination, you might want to throw in some other species that aren't blue oyster, since it's so aggressive and can grow perfectly in super bacterial jars. I know you have control jars also, but maybe try some species that contamination would actually hinder.
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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: Forrester]
#27596983 - 12/28/21 06:18 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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I appreciate the feed back and I want to say that mircroscopic viewing will be conducted later after determining what is “contamination free” for a final verification, I have a nice microscope and love any excuse to fire it up 😁
there are current endeavors to replicate my preliminary findings on a larger scale, the small quantity was a trial batch to even test the plausibility with the least amount of waste after which if there’s potential it can be scaled up to further validate my claims
Again this is unfolding in real time so be patient
And forrester that did cross my mind to test other strains because I know how aggressive oysters can be but at the same time this is why I selected them for the first trial run to see if anything will even grow and later I can run slower species
There’s a process to this I wanted to start with parameters most likely to yield results and then tweak it to find the limitations
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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: 7Suns] 1
#27597094 - 12/28/21 08:37 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Most likely I have missed somethings as I just glanced the 1st post...
What I saw was like 2 quart jars was used. It doesn't take much time to heat penetrate those. Was is like 15 minutes which is standard when doing smaller items. So, 15 mins after the temp has been reached. So use like 20 jars and try it again...
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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: Speeker]
#27597297 - 12/28/21 11:23 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Speeker said: Most likely I have missed somethings as I just glanced the 1st post...
What I saw was like 2 quart jars was used. It doesn't take much time to heat penetrate those. Was is like 15 minutes which is standard when doing smaller items. So, 15 mins after the temp has been reached. So use like 20 jars and try it again...
As previously stated I’m currently doing a larger batch now, this was just to test the theory
Also I’d love to see someone pressure cook 2 quarts of oats for 15 minutes and not get contaminated, oats are pretty damn dirty and contaminate prone which is why 90 minutes is generally the minimum time recommended, or am I mistaken??
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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: 7Suns]
#27597904 - 12/28/21 08:28 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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15 mins after the temp has been reached... so you gave them 15 mins for it in that 30 min test.
I hope that your ingredient does what you are hoping for... good luck to those tests!
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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: Speeker]
#27597918 - 12/28/21 08:41 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok I have a guess. Is your additive something that conducts heat? Otherwise why would any pressure cooking be necessary? If you're just getting the outer half inch to temperature that ain't worth much. So my theory is some kind of conductive material. No clue what could safely do that though.
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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: Speeker]
#27597923 - 12/28/21 08:43 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Speeker said: 15 mins after the temp has been reached... so you gave them 15 mins for it in that 30 min test.
I hope that your ingredient does what you are hoping for... good luck to those tests! 
What? No
So far I have only cooked at 1 hr interval and another set at 30 minutes but I’m fairly certain everyone is aware it’s standard practice to start the timer after pressure has reach 15 psi
We’re did you get the impression I started the timer before pressure was reached???
That’s is what you’re saying right?
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