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Experimental process sterilizing oats in 30min or less? 1
#27594440 - 12/25/21 10:00 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok so I’ve been running some test in the lab, and I think I just made a very amazing discovery that could completely change the way the community cultivates mushrooms, reducing sterilization times and possibly even the need for pressure cooking / autoclaves all together depending on successive trails to come,
(This method Ive implemented kills 99% of endospores before sterilization begins, based on related published research)
( the “additives” or “the way the grain is altered by it”, has little to no negative impact on the growth rate, in fact I’d actually say it seems to increase growth)
Edit: I’m adding 2 tablespoons calcium hydroxide (pickling lime) per 12 quarts of grain or to be more precise, simply raise the ph of the water to 11-14 when simmering grain, lime is known to absorb into porous materials through capillary traction and can easily penetrate into the center of the grain as they rehydrate, when in contact, it kills endospores by deactivating certain enzymes/proteins that allow germination
So majority of the contamination load is effectively reduced before sterilization even begins thereby only requiring a short sterilization window of 15 minutes @15 psi which seems to be the most consistent method I’ve used so far
It can also be used with microwave sterilization I’ve successfully colonized a few jars that were simmered with lime then rinsed and microwaved for 3 minutes on high
I recommend rinsing the lime off the grain after simmering just to bring the ph back to a neutral range of about 7-8, it’s already done it’s job by this point so there’s no need to leave the lime in the grain
Then simply load the pressure cooker or microwave
I haven’t tried anything other then calcium hydroxide but I imagine any highly alkaline materials would have similar results, I might eventually try lye and ammonia for shits and giggles
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Edited by 7Suns (03/27/22 07:17 PM)
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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: 7Suns]
#27594489 - 12/25/21 11:27 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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It is good that you want to experiment, but your post is a little unclear.
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Trial 1:
2 jars treated with “additives” then pressure cooked for 1 hr @15 psi 1 jar was inoculated with blue oyster wedges under flowhood 1 jar left unopened at room temperature as a control 12/20/21 to 12/25/21. (5 days)
Trial 2:
2 jars treated with “additives” then pressure cooked for 30 minutes @15 psi 1 jar was inoculated with blue oyster wedges under flowhood 1 jar left unopened at room temperature as a control 12/20/21 to 12/25/21
What are the additives? I looked at your post twice and see no description.
So your experiment aims to compare the ones cooked for 30 minutes versus an hour, right? This could be a useful experiment potentially.
Your results should be stated clearly, and with pictures. Pictures are worth a thousand words at the shroomery.
The jars could well be bacterial, 5 days is not nearly long enough to tell. I recommend: if you want to do science, post a picture of the jars now; then in a week, then two weeks.
Then let the experienced members take a look and see.
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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: CreonAntigone] 1
#27594508 - 12/26/21 12:06 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not trying to make waves so no offense to you but its not polite to make assumptions at first glance, feels a bit disrespectful that you have assumed that I can’t identify contamination, or need the help of TC’s
I’ve been cultivating for well over 15 years (not that time is relevant or for that matter equivalent to experience) but rest assured I’m not new to this by any means and have mentored several groups of individuals over the years...
The phrase “Additives” was in quotations because I have decided to intentionally omit this information as pending trade secrets
I am not asking or seeking advice or validation as to wether it is successful or will work or “if it’s contaminated), this is another erroneous assumption, I stated the nature and brief discrption of my experiments
You do not currently need pictures or any additional information that could potentially expose said secrets (the less I share at this point the better until I decide what my next step will be)
The question that was asked is if this would be worth patenting or if I should publicly disclose the information in question
So I’ll try to clarify my statement
I just tested a new way to reduce sterilization time for grain spawn down to 30 minutes or possibly less, 5 days in and 0 signs of contamination, yes I understand this isn’t conclusive but by the 2 week mark if it’s still sterile I will move forward with plans
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Edited by 7Suns (12/26/21 12:41 AM)
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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: 7Suns] 1
#27594512 - 12/26/21 12:14 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hmmm want advice, but do not want advice. interesting.....
Streak one of the grains on agar see what happens. Tambhras will show up quick.
How are you getting the "stuff" to the inside of the grains. Or again is that a trade secret?
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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: Mastershakes]
#27594522 - 12/26/21 12:29 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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It penetrates the grain all the way through, it actually is a part of the process that I’ve decided not to disclose as of yet, but again I assure you it’s clean so far
Also I’m not “asking for advice and not wanting advice” I think you’ve misunderstood the post,
I asked if I should try to patent this or share it with the community
Never asked for advice or help or anything relating to the success or identification of contamination etc etc
A simple yes or no on the poll will suffice
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Edited by 7Suns (12/26/21 12:43 AM)
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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: 7Suns]
#27594525 - 12/26/21 12:31 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just edited to help reduce the clutter and redirect the focus of the post
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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: CreonAntigone] 2
#27594553 - 12/26/21 12:53 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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CreonAntigone, hes not giving details on the additives because its his IP and is considering patenting it.
Depending on how revolutionary the additives are and if nobody has ever used them or something similar before would then dictate the validity of applying for a patient.
I'm assuming if we were told about the procedure used we could do some research and discover that it may not be truly unique, but I could be wrong and it may also be a completely novel approach.
Blessed be our glorious search engine, here is what I found with just 30 minutes of searching
- reusable pp5 baby food bowls for Petri dishes.
Lots of people here have used repurposed pp5 containers for petri dishes for a long time... AKA no pours... 8yrs ago Pastywhyte's Easy Agar Tek 4yrs agoNo Pour Plates Ziran Style 3yrs ago Josex' Guide to No-pour Agar 2yrs agoAlien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers
- DIY filter patch bags from bake shop “Biauxillary oriented Polypropylene” BOPP “soft cello bags” 2 versions..
Do they work out cheaper than just buying bulk bags online... then you'd have to consider what your time is worth to you and the work involved ... having to make 500 bags vs just buying them..
I have seen people making custom filter bags with tubing, polyfill and micropore before. 4yrs ago Use an Oven Bag for a Grow Bag 4yrs agoMushboy - cheap Oven Bags with Micropore 8yrs ago donrjuan - Poly Tubing for Logs 18yrs ago Ekstaza- Homemade filter for oven bag
- Assisted dispensing agar punch/biopsy tool” currently working on patenting...
People here have been using punches for a while, some with a dispensing mechanism, they freely and gladly shared their designs for others to recreate their own version. Basic punch concept D3's Perfect transfers and agar TEK Dispensing punch JoBloShow - Post Your New Tools Of The Trade Another dispensing punch Hindsight - Post Your New Tools Of The Trade
But anyway my whole point with all this is that this is a community that freely shares information and innovations, that's how we got to where we are.
I would recommend just sharing what you know and if it is truly a novel invention that nobody here or anywhere else has come up with we can all test its validity which will benefit the community as a whole, I'm sure we would love to be able to cut down on PC times. And after its proven to be successful by yourself and others there is nothing stopping you from getting it patented as your own intellectual property in the future.
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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: UnderNose]
#27594564 - 12/26/21 01:10 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thank you undernose for the clear and concise response I was hoping for, I’ll definitely check out the links for those punch tools, I do believe mine is novel but that was actually a side not , hence why I decided to remove that from the post altogether but you’ve given me something to look into so as to avoid infringement,
The additives are not novel but the process/concept is
Also back to the side note that I removed
Check out my innovative versions in comparison to the links you shared they are not new ideas just improved upon (also I want to make it clear that was a side note of write ups I’m working on, not patentable ideas)
Filter bags https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27594491
Cheap poly tubing from any local retail store https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27517642
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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: 7Suns] 1
#27594585 - 12/26/21 02:00 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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No problem 7Suns just adding my thoughts. I feel that for the sake of transparency we should know the what the process and additives are and be able to see the tests and results before we can accurately and honestly evaluate the process and outcomes. But I understand that isn't what your posting for and wanting to keep something under your hat that may be an exclusive invention.
Patenting a method or process vs an invention might be kinda different, I dont know how all that really works. If you tried leasing the method to other farms I would guess that very soon the cat would be out of the bag anyway even with non disclosure agreements. Especially if its just one easily acquirable ingredient, which likely has its own Patent and accepted uses, that is added to the grain soak or sterilizing steam.
I think the best bang for your buck would be if you ran your own farm saving time and energy aka money on processing. If other farms heard of your method and cant understand how your achieving it they would want your trade secret. And soon enough somebody would figure it out.
I dont know if you could prevent people using it once they know what it is. You need to talk to a Patent & Trade Mark Attorney
P.S... That poor mans poly tubing was a nice find
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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: UnderNose] 1
#27594802 - 12/26/21 08:49 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thank you again undernose, you have been very helpful and I appreciate your feedback, honestly I’m sure the cat will get out of the bag eventually, especially with a patent because anyone can look them up and find ways to circumvent them by altering the process slightly claiming it as their own. But that initial funding would be exponentially helpful to push my endeavors further, I’m not looking to get rich, even if it was a one time deal to transfer the rights over for say a lump sum of 100k to 500k that would be plenty, I already make 72k a year and enjoy my job as well as own a few acres of raw buildable land
I’d used the funding to build an official lab just for experimental and research methods, my head is swimming with ideas and new procedures that can greatly improve the field of mycology
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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: 7Suns]
#27594817 - 12/26/21 09:02 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Also check out my new antibiotic agar recipe, did a lot of research into getting the proper ratios and tweaking it to find the minimum effective dose as well as temperature constraints etc
My biggest goal is finding and utilizing common easily acquired materials for more advanced techniques from local franchises so it’s available to the masses
My antibiotic agar recipe https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27576801
I’m also working on a glycerin/dmso tissue and spore cryo bank for the common hobby mycologist, I know others have tried similar things but I haven’t found anything official yet unless I’ve just overlooked it
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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: 7Suns] 1
#27594847 - 12/26/21 09:36 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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This would be revolutionary if proven to be successful with large scale production, but remember that you have brought part of your ideas to a forum that is well known for critically analyzing and picking apart peoples ideas. We’ve all seen posts with people claiming to have found easier and better ways to do stuff compared to the way the community as a whole does it. So don’t take offense to anyone questioning your process and wanting to understand just how you are coming to these conclusions. None of this is questioning your experience or whether or not you know what you’re doing, but science is a doubtful process and the burden of proof lies on you.
My critiques of your process are as follows:
- Five days is definitely not long enough to say the grains are clean, at least not macroscopically. Like earlier mentioned, put some of those grains to agar and see what happens. - Why are you running such small experiments with this? Two jars per experiment are not even close to enough to claim this process works yet. Run a whole batch of oats using this process and see what happens. Science is all about repeatability. Anything can happen once or twice.
In regards to your question about whether you should patent this or share with the community, the answer lies in how confident you are that this process works. There seems to be quite a bit more research that needs to be done before you come to any conclusions. But hey, if you feel like this idea is worth $100-500k, like you mentioned, then yeah I’d probably patent it. But I don’t know anything about patent laws or whatever that takes. Good luck and I look forward to reading more about what you figure out!
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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: mind.at.large]
#27594880 - 12/26/21 10:11 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mind.at.large I appreciate your constructive criticism, the way you addressed the post is much more rational and you used bully points to voice your concerns
Your criticism is towards the validity of the claims not towards me as the individual, (or my ability to identify contamination) I think that is a key difference in your approach
To answer your question and concerns
I will put the grain to agar if I deem necessary (questionable appearance of possible contamination? Otherwise I feel this is unnecessary
I’m running small batches because I’m very confident in my ability to work aseptically and produce viable results on the first try, if further testing is required I promise they will be preform on an as needed basis.
the research is there and so far the results are supporting the claims, granted I won’t call this a total success until the inoculated jars are 100 colonization and free of contamination and the un inoculated control jars are still contamination free after 2 weeks, anything after 2 weeks shouldn’t be of concern at least for fast strains like oysters although the goal and desire for the control is 0 contamination after a month, this is why it’s still a trial run and I will be updating with results at different intervals
And again I’m very confident in my work, the whole idea of this experiment and the real question to be answered is
“What is the minimum sterilization time/temperature needed in conjunction with “additives” to yield 100% clean viable spawn”
If I can reduce it down to 15 minutes that would be a complete game changer that would ramp up production and lower production costs making it a lucrative investment for some of these large scale farms and would justify buying the rights to it, giving them a huge advantage in the market
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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: 7Suns]
#27594965 - 12/26/21 11:28 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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does your "additives" start with the letter v by any chance? this kinda rings a bell
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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: 7Suns]
#27594978 - 12/26/21 11:37 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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I’m excited to see your results with this! Please keep us updated on what happens.
But I do want to encourage a higher number of jars to be done using this technique. I’m assuming that, if the current jars remain clean, that you will repeat this experiment on a larger scale, which I will be interested in seeing. I trust your confidence in working aseptically, but even those with impeccable sterile technique aren’t surprised to see at least one jar go bad due to operator error. With such a small sample size, it’s hard to pinpoint where the contamination could have come from. Obviously you are just starting this experiment, and like I mentioned, I do expect you to attempt this at a larger scale before ever trying to patent or sell this idea, but clearly no one is going to be willing to pay for this if all you have are a few clean jars.
But this is the kind of work that needs to be done in order to keep up with the increasing demands for mushrooms and I appreciate you putting in the time and work to see what you can figure out! If this idea works out, yes you should patent and sell it, but from a selfish perspective, you should just give it to me for free… hehe
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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: mind.at.large] 1
#27595060 - 12/26/21 12:46 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Disclose it to the public. If you want to help the "community", that is. If you prefer to help lawyers, and your self, try and patent it. And you say you will use the funding for more research to help the "community"...how? By patenting more things?
I don't think it's going to be the complete game changer you claim, if all you are doing is reducing pc time, for spawn. Maybe a slight change.
I have used sodium percarbonate as an "additive" for the same purpose. And various washing powders. They work, but tend to strip some nutrients from the grains during the soak.
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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: worowa] 2
#27595175 - 12/26/21 02:14 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you aren't willing to test the grains beyond relying on your own eye than this will get nowhere fast with folks around here. You cant see bacteria on prepped grain in a jar after a week unless its really wet and a total shitshow. You said yourself it is not polite to judge at first glance. 
I would also agree that experiments like this need to involve a lot of trial which requires a lot of time and material. Consider running 20-30 jars at a time to get attention, not 3-4. You may have opened yourself up to some sideways commentary by even mentioning the word patent at this point, even if you are on to something, that's a long way down the road.
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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: mind.at.large]
#27595202 - 12/26/21 02:25 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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mind.at.large said: I’m excited to see your results with this! Please keep us updated on what happens.
But I do want to encourage a higher number of jars to be done using this technique. I’m assuming that, if the current jars remain clean, that you will repeat this experiment on a larger scale, which I will be interested in seeing. I trust your confidence in working aseptically, but even those with impeccable sterile technique aren’t surprised to see at least one jar go bad due to operator error. With such a small sample size, it’s hard to pinpoint where the contamination could have come from. Obviously you are just starting this experiment, and like I mentioned, I do expect you to attempt this at a larger scale before ever trying to patent or sell this idea, but clearly no one is going to be willing to pay for this if all you have are a few clean jars.
But this is the kind of work that needs to be done in order to keep up with the increasing demands for mushrooms and I appreciate you putting in the time and work to see what you can figure out! If this idea works out, yes you should patent and sell it, but from a selfish perspective, you should just give it to me for free… hehe 
Love this comment, this is the logical discussion I was looking for
Also just wanted to let you know I just batched up another 12 jars with 2 more variations so 6 jars with original recipe and 6 jars with a tweaked version
Also I just want to throw this out there but I just ran 84 jars (7 flats of quart jars) with 0 contamination from different strains, using agar wedges on producers pride oats and micropore tape as filter material, all work preformed in front of my homemade flowhood using a $40 “true hepa” filter size D made by filtrate sold by Lowe’s hardware store and it guarantees 99.97 % particle capture at 0.3 microns Attached to a free whole home ac/furnace squirrel cage blower motor
(Will eventually do a write up on this) it has been the most critical part of my ability to do this kind of research and is what inspired me to keep pursuing innovation in this field)



So I think as crazy as it sounds (im sure y’all have serious doubts about this, but I give you my honest word on my late mother’s grave this is true and a $40 filtrate hepa filter has given me great results and ability to work more in depth with agar) I have an incredibly high success rate
84/0 jars have not contaminated However I do occasionally get contamination on agar but it’s almost always introduced via tissue samples , I’ve struggled with bacterial contamination a bit in my agar as well but I developed an antibiotic agar to combat that, and that’s typically only when isolating wild foraged species to clone so it’s very improbable it’s introduced via the filter or technique , as a test I periodically open Petri dishes in front of the flowhood then reseal and leave it to incubate for a month to evaluate the filters life/efficiency, almost a year now still running clean, I mostly do my work on weekends but I will run the hood for hours on end, I originally started a run time log to monitor life span also but eventually stopped recording stop/start time (I’ll probably reattempt this when I finally replace the filter) (Also a bit off topic but I also isolated entoloma abortivum aka shrimp of the woods from an actual aborted fruit)
I would love to share this with you , all of you honestly but I could definitely use the extra revenue to fund future projects
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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: Smartattack]
#27595214 - 12/26/21 02:34 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Smartattack said: If you aren't willing to test the grains beyond relying on your own eye than this will get nowhere fast with folks around here. You cant see bacteria on prepped grain in a jar after a week unless its really wet and a total shitshow. You said yourself it is not polite to judge at first glance. 
I would also agree that experiments like this need to involve a lot of trial which requires a lot of time and material. Consider running 20-30 jars at a time to get attention, not 3-4. You may have opened yourself up to some sideways commentary by even mentioning the word patent at this point, even if you are on to something, that's a long way down the road.
I never said I wouldn’t test the grain on agar, I said I will test the grain on agar when it is in question, as in if I see anything out of the normal like slime, discoloration etc etc, I feel a lot of what I say isn’t being fully understood
This is an ongoing endeavor I will update it weekly
Also I do plan to do more large batch’s again this is just the first trail and so far this is very promising
I actually just made 12 more jars to do more tests
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Re: Successful sterilization of oats in just 30 minutes [Re: dyel]
#27595216 - 12/26/21 02:36 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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dyel said: does your "additives" start with the letter v by any chance? this kinda rings a bell
No it doesn’t...... also this isn’t a guessing game lol, I do not intend to release any information until I’ve concluded my experiments and documented everything throughly
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