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Are you more introverted or extroverted? 2
#27592720 - 12/24/21 08:52 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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I was doing some digging into the psychology of introverts vs extroverts recently, there are lots of theories but the main one that kept popping up was that extroverts rely more on frequent human interaction and social stimulation to pump up their dopamine levels, possibly because they have more dopamine receptors in the brain that need to be satisfied or just as a product of how their dopamine is generated/used. Introverts don’t seem to spike domanine in the same way when talking to people or in social situations, they seem to obtain less pleasure/reward from social interaction and can actually experience a dopamine overload or crash that can make overtimulating social situations cause dysphoria or just wanting to get away from the crowds.
As opposed to the dopaminergic reward system of extroverts, introverts instead seem to favor internal rewards based possibly on the increased acetylcholinergic action observed in their brain. Acetylcholine travels through channels in the brain thought to contribute to self-reflection, planned speech, ‘and self-talk’, possibly meaning introverts would be more satisfied with quality/deeper interactions with one or two people. Extroverts on the other hand may feel more of reward from being amongst a large group and fast moving conversations with many chances to talk to different people, and the constant stimulation and fresh hits of dopamine that brings in. This isn’t saying extroverts aren’t capable of deeper thinking, they just may be more likely to seek out avenues where they can share those thoughts to larger groups.
Introverts also seem to have more blood flow to the frontal lobe, or the problem solving and rational thinking parts of the brain,. When combined with higher acetylcholine activity could mean introverts are more likely to be caught up in their thoughts than extroverts who physiologically seem to be less filtered and may find it quicker and easier to turn a base thought into spoken language. Another theory comes from studies showing the ‘fight or flight’ or ‘get stuff done’ sympathetic nervous system is more active in extroverts, whereas the relax/rest/digest parasympathetic nervous system is more active in introverts.
Carl Jung describes it as:
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According to Jung, introverts turn to themselves or their minds to recharge, while extroverts seek out other people to fuel their energy. Extroverts are energized by crowds and interacting with others. Introverts need alone time to recharge and are more reserved.
This kind of psychology is still theoretical and there are tons of confounding variables and factors that have yet to be established, and there will always be many outliers in the data, but the results from the scans and questionnaires/observations paint a somewhat clear picture. I just find it interesting to think about where I fall on these kind of spectrums... and why.
So I’d guess that most people feel like an introvert sometimes, an extrovert other times, but which do you feel like you identify with more?
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Re: Are you more introverted or extroverted? [Re: feevers]
#27592756 - 12/24/21 09:26 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Introverts are often fearful of others.
There are usually experiential reasons for this.
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Re: Are you more introverted or extroverted? [Re: feevers] 2
#27592774 - 12/24/21 09:37 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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I’ve always felt more introverted in general. Usually at large social events, if I can’t avoid the event altogether, I try to find one or two interesting people and latch onto them. Usually they’re trying to to do the same though so it works out. That’s actually how I met my wife. I’ve been perfectly fine throughout the pandemic with not having to make the rounds at parties and get togethers.
In other situations though I find myself being more extroverted. Usually it’s when playing a game or working towards some sort of task, where small talk and all of that is less prioritized and everyone has something in common. Pre-pandemic I did things like hosting poker games, lead small hiking groups, and coach/captain’d soccer teams, which all require me to be really active and extroverted in those settings. Another exception is social events where drug use/heavy alcohol use is encouraged. Sober weddings are one of my least favorite things in life, but the open bar weddings I’ve been to have always been sloppy shit shows where I have no problem talking to and having fun with whoever shows up.... different substances definitely tend to shift my psychology towards the extroverted side
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Re: Are you more introverted or extroverted? [Re: feevers]
#27592784 - 12/24/21 09:42 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sober weddings are one of my least favorite things in life, but the open bar weddings I’ve been to have always been sloppy shit shows where I have no problem talking to and having fun with whoever shows up...
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Re: Are you more introverted or extroverted? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#27592792 - 12/24/21 09:48 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Fascinating subject, this.
Massively Extroverted (93%) myself, tests and experience confirm.
Unlike Introverts, who say they need alone time to recharge, Extroverts need to be around others to recharge.
Stick me at home by myself for any considerable amount of time and my energy levels start to drop significantly. Apathy and depression will set in if I don't see or interact with others for long enough.
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Re: Are you more introverted or extroverted? [Re: RJ Tubs 202] 1
#27592805 - 12/24/21 09:56 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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RJ Tubs 202 said: Introverts are often fearful of others.
There are usually experiential reasons for this.
Environment definitely plays a role, but the research seems to point to a strong genetic component as well.
For myself I felt like I was more introverted from a very young age, there was nothing in my life that would make me more fearful of others than any other kid. Several cousins of mine suffered genuine abuse both physically and psychologically and they’re the most extroverted people I know.
The fact that a person can merely ingest a substance that shifts their neurochemistry and all of a sudden they’re acting more extroverted leads me to believe the physiological (and so likely genetic) component is likely stronger than the psychological component. Reading all the Brene Brown in the world and processing it cognitively won’t make me enjoy the public presentation I’m about do... but if I change my neurochemistry by popping a couple Valium’s and an adderall I’ll be having the time of my life giving the presentation, and feeding off the crowd.
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Re: Are you more introverted or extroverted? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
#27592808 - 12/24/21 09:59 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said: Fascinating subject, this.
Massively Extroverted (93%) myself, tests and experience confirm.
Unlike Introverts, who say they need alone time to recharge, Extroverts need to be around others to recharge.
Stick me at home by myself for any considerable amount of time and my energy levels start to drop significantly. Apathy and depression will set in if I don't see or interact with others for long enough.
All my siblings are like that, they go fucking insane if they have to stay at home for a day. I'm definitely in the extreme introvert end. Hanging out with people will exhaust me. Couple that with social and general anxiety and I trend towards being an agoraphobe. I would point out that being an introvert and having social anxiety are not the same. Even when I am on benzos and my anxiety is completely gone, I vastly prefer reading a book versus going to a party.
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Re: Are you more introverted or extroverted? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
#27592839 - 12/24/21 10:17 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said: Fascinating subject, this.
Massively Extroverted (93%) myself, tests and experience confirm.
Unlike Introverts, who say they need alone time to recharge, Extroverts need to be around others to recharge.
Stick me at home by myself for any considerable amount of time and my energy levels start to drop significantly. Apathy and depression will set in if I don't see or interact with others for long enough.
Yeah that’s the opposite of how I feel mostly. If I’m at home alone I usually have tons of energy and motivation to get things done, and getting those things done gives me nice dopamine hits and mood bursts all day, Depression only sets in for me if I get bored and start wasting my hours away on the internet.
Being out with others can wipe me out completely though. I usually last about an hour at a social even before I just feel like my energy gets zapped and I get this dysphoric feeling and just want to go. It’s really dependent on the group though, if there’s a lot of people I enjoy talking to I can keep at it all night... but those situations are pretty rare these days.
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Re: Are you more introverted or extroverted? [Re: feevers]
#27592850 - 12/24/21 10:22 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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LOL, I'm always the last man standing at any party; I literally cannot get enough of being around other people.
Not once have I ever felt that feeling of needing to go home to recharge. I'll stay out and talk to just about anyone (utter scumbags excluded, of which I have met probably four out of a few thousand in the last few years of my life).
I'm the kinda guy that can walk into a bar/party and walk out several hours later knowing every person there...
People at work are a very different beast mind you, but as long as I meet a crowd freely being themselves, then it's all gravy.
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Re: Are you more introverted or extroverted? [Re: feevers]
#27592860 - 12/24/21 10:28 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not sure if it's relevant but one of the few things I remember my mother saying to me was that I was "shy to the point of being rude".
The only thing I can ever remember my fathers mother saying to me was "I never did like you". To a 6/7 year old.
 That's me in the driving seat at ~ that age.
The old cunt died soon after. I'm not sure if I got to her or the alzheimer's...or some shit. I mean, what kind of cunt says that to a child. 
I've wondered for some time if acute shyness/social anxiety are just part of the autistic spectrum.
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Re: Are you more introverted or extroverted? [Re: Ice9]
#27592862 - 12/24/21 10:31 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ice9 said: All my siblings are like that, they go fucking insane if they have to stay at home for a day. I'm definitely in the extreme introvert end. Hanging out with people will exhaust me. Couple that with social and general anxiety and I trend towards being an agoraphobe. I would point out that being an introvert and having social anxiety are not the same. Even when I am on benzos and my anxiety is completely gone, I vastly prefer reading a book versus going to a party.
That’s a good point about the difference between being an introvert and having social anxiety. I think that’s why I don’t consider myself on the extreme end of introversion, there are still many social settings that I enjoy but avoid due more towards social anxiety than my introversion.
On the other hand even low-anxiety events like a card game with a group of close friends, I often feel the need to push myself into going to these sorts of things. I’d be perfectly content staying home and cooking a nice meal, playing a game or just going for solo hike somewhere. I’ve noticed though that things like my mood and sleep quality are noticeably better when I do some sort of socializing outside of family/work/internet on a frequent basis. It’s been tough during the pandemic though for sure.
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Re: Are you more introverted or extroverted? [Re: feevers]
#27592888 - 12/24/21 10:49 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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LOL, I've always had the feeling that I'm one of very few Extroverts in our community.
The poll shows this clearly, I'm almost at 1/10 at present. I suspect most online communities are populated this way.
I can recall a thread years back asking how many friends one had IRL. Most had one, two or none. I almost felt bad saying that I'm pushing the upper limits of Dunbar's Number when it comes to my close friends/social circles.
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Re: Are you more introverted or extroverted? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
#27592926 - 12/24/21 11:27 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said: LOL, I've always had the feeling that I'm one of very few Extroverts in our community.
The poll shows this clearly, I'm almost at 1/10 at present. I suspect most online communities are populated this way.
I can recall a thread years back asking how many friends one had IRL. Most had one, two or none. I almost felt bad saying that I'm pushing the upper limits of Dunbar's Number when it comes to my close friends/social circles.
Forums definitely seem conducive to introverts, you have a fairly anonymous account/profile and can pick and chose your conversations, when and how much you participate, and what information other people know about you. People who are extremely introverted might stick more to the informative/on-topic discussions (such as mush cult), while those who are less introverted might venture towards the Pub and general chat threads.
If extroverts are more drawn to fast and frequent conversations/stimulation it’d make sense that the slower pace of forums like this doesn’t really meet their needs as well as other options do. Most of the extremely extroverted people that I know personally seem to be drawn to Facebook and Instagram where they can constantly be getting engagement on things they post through likes and comments, as well as be constantly engaging in that same way by liking/commenting on the posts of the accounts that they follow.
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Re: Are you more introverted or extroverted? [Re: feevers]
#27592930 - 12/24/21 11:32 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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feevers said: People who are extremely introverted might stick more to the informative/on-topic discussions (such as mush cult), while those who are less introverted might venture towards the Pub and general chat threads.
That's been my observation too.
Also that Introverts don't tend to be very fond of the Extroverts in these type of communities.
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Re: Are you more introverted or extroverted? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#27592946 - 12/24/21 11:47 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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feevers said: People who are extremely introverted might stick more to the informative/on-topic discussions (such as mush cult), while those who are less introverted might venture towards the Pub and general chat threads.
That's been my observation too.
Also that Introverts don't tend to be very fond of the Extroverts in these type of communities.
Could be that extroverts are more likely to be more open and less filtered, therefore saying/doing more things that other members don’t like or disagree with. Especially with the added cloak of anonymity on forums like this where there’s not the normal societal repercussions for stating unpopular opinions or acting in ways that some may find disagreeable. In the offline world I’ve definitely noticed people having stronger opinions (both positive and negative) about more extroverted people than introverted people.
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#27592947 - 12/24/21 11:49 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Introverted
Unless i know you want to socialize or start first
I'm not afraid of people Could go talk to whoever No social exustion at all I like everybody
Part of the reason why i dont talk a lot It is because i feel comfortable in my own skin or around anyone There is no need to fill any silence No awkward feelings on my end ever
I enjoy very extroverted people
A lot of the time if i dont say much or anything to anyone It's only because i am respectful of their space You never know what someone is going through Or how they're feeling
I really wish eveyone well in life No one bothers me at all Only see people as people
All in all I'm exactly the same person you meet for the first time to the end
Just good vibes
But it does take repeated conection and exposure to become closer to a person
At the party I'm the dude in the back rolling up the blunts chilling out
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Re: Are you more introverted or extroverted? [Re: Purple sunset]
#27593104 - 12/24/21 01:59 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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feevers said: Could be that extroverts are more likely to be more open and less filtered, therefore saying/doing more things that other members don’t like or disagree with. Especially with the added cloak of anonymity on forums like this where there’s not the normal societal repercussions for stating unpopular opinions or acting in ways that some may find disagreeable. In the offline world I’ve definitely noticed people having stronger opinions (both positive and negative) about more extroverted people than introverted people.
Good point man. Fair play.
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Purple sunset said: Part of the reason why i dont talk a lot It is because i feel comfortable in my own skin or around anyone There is no need to fill any silence No awkward feelings on my end ever
I'm not sure feeling comfortable in ones skin and enjoying silence is in any way related to whether one enjoys taking to strangers/others when possible?
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Re: Are you more introverted or extroverted? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#27593119 - 12/24/21 02:08 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm introverted.
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#27593187 - 12/24/21 03:08 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Of course the shroomery is mostly introverts
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Holy shit I thought I'd have at least one bloody Extroverted companion chime in by now!!!!
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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