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BrendanFlock
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Should the bright of us rule us..?
Or are we the captains of our destiny?
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Loaded Shaman
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Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: teknix]
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Big government is absolutely the biggest problem facing this plane of reality at this time, IMHO.
Collectivism is both a fallacy and metaphysical contradiction.
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redgreenvines
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qualified managers in their fields of expertise makes sense, compensated fairly and selected by lottery without an easy option to decline to serve once selected.
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BrendanFlock said: Should the bright of us rule us..?
Or are we the captains of our destiny?
It's not "ruling" us. It's conveying our issues in layman's terms so everyone is educated enough to vote on something.
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redgreenvines said: qualified managers in their fields of expertise makes sense, compensated fairly and selected by lottery without an easy option to decline to serve once selected.
Sort of, except no one should be forced to do anything so if they want to decline, there is always someone else in that same field willing.
Also, corporations should be forced to pay their fair share. Everyone would get a cut. No more socialism(subsidies) to big oil for example. That way the experts can't bribe or be lobbied by anyone. The military industrial complex can fuck off too. Corporations would be done deciding for people what's profitable and what's not.
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redgreenvines
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yeah, maybe free to decline perhaps, but sometimes everyone knows you are the right one, and if the compensation is fair for the extra something you bring to the task, why would you decline to help the community.
maybe can decline for family reasons, or for local business sake,
but of course you do not enter the lottery unless interested and qualified.
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redgreenvines said: yeah, maybe free to decline perhaps, but sometimes everyone knows you are the right one, and if the compensation is fair for the extra something you bring to the task, why would you decline to help the community.
maybe can decline for family reasons, or for local business sake,
but of course you do not enter the lottery unless interested and qualified.
I personally don't think anyone would decline unless something else they want to do is more important to them. I think it's when we force people to do things they don't want to and convince them to because of money, fame etc. That's where corruption can form. There will always be someone else right for the job as long as they are given the opportunity.
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redgreenvines
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qualified perhaps but right for the job is usually the person doing it that enjoys it and is qualified.
amazingly (or not) many qualified people are not 'right for the job' even if they want it. they need to be interested in solving the particular set of problems. etc.
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r3volution.gurl



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redgreenvines said: qualified perhaps but right for the job is usually the person doing it that enjoys it and is qualified.
amazingly (or not) many qualified people are not 'right for the job' even if they want it. they need to be interested in solving the particular set of problems. etc.
Agreed. Absolutely!
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Moses_Davidson
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redgreenvines said: that's interesting - equating corporations with governments. corporations are about profit.
government is not a business, it is about operations that support people and families beyond the walls of the home in a district. corporations have no such mandate.
Historically, it's not so different. The structure of our modern system of government (Senate/Parliament following parliamentary procedure balanced by the Executive function) came directly from feudalism in the UK. The more land one had in Parliament, the more important that peer was. A corporation is a miniature fiefdom where stock replaces land. The more stock one has, the more important. Both were all about providing profit to the land/stock holders, and citizens received protection just the same as cattle or any other income-producing assets.
Today several corporations and special interest groups run and control the government so we as the populace are still just income producing assets. We are only as protected as we need to be in order to continue producing revenue for our feudal owners.
If modern government in the English-speaking world (which was originally a system of profiteering from Norman thuggery) can be redeemed into a system to serve the populace, then it's sister who was also born of feudalism (corporations) can as well.
Relief was the job of the church. Exempli grati, hospitals were mostly all owned by the church.
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r3volution.gurl said: I completely agree with your OP. I'd personally prefer a board of experts to replace all Government instead of Presidents and anything relating to politics. It's old and needs to die, literally and figuratively. We need the best of the best in academics(Scientists, Doctors, Journalists<real ones> etc.) conveying our global and local issues to us and like you said with our technology it is no issue to vote through that as often as needed/wanted.
Government can be privatized for greater efficiency (competition has Darwinistic effects) and algoarchy will eventually be determining most corporate decisions. Algoarchy and maths are already in control of Wall Street.
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