Home | Community | Message Board


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Myyco.com Golden Teacher Liquid Culture For Sale   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

Jump to first unread post Pages: < Back | 1 | 2 | 3  [ show all ]
OfflineBrendanFlock
Stranger
Male

Registered: 06/01/13
Posts: 4,254
Last seen: 13 hours, 10 minutes
Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: r3volution.gurl]
    #27591335 - 12/23/21 12:16 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Should the bright of us rule us..?

Or are we the captains of our destiny?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineLoaded Shaman
Psychophysiologist
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/02/15
Posts: 8,006
Loc: Now O'Clock
Last seen: 3 days, 39 minutes
Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: teknix]
    #27591427 - 12/23/21 04:16 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Big government is absolutely the biggest problem facing this plane of reality at this time, IMHO.

Collectivism is both a fallacy and metaphysical contradiction.


--------------------



"Real knowledge is to know the extent of one’s ignorance." β€” Confucius

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleredgreenvines
irregular verb
 User Gallery

Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 37,847
Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #27591491 - 12/23/21 06:19 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

qualified managers in their fields of expertise makes sense, compensated fairly and selected by lottery without an easy option to decline to serve once selected.


--------------------
:confused: _ :brainfart:🧠  _ :finger:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibler3volution.gurl
Female User Gallery


Registered: 10/20/21
Posts: 6,283
Loc: Canada Flag
Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27591542 - 12/23/21 07:35 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

BrendanFlock said:
Should the bright of us rule us..?

Or are we the captains of our destiny?




It's not "ruling" us. It's conveying our issues in layman's terms so everyone is educated enough to vote on something.

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
qualified managers in their fields of expertise makes sense, compensated fairly and selected by lottery without an easy option to decline to serve once selected.




Sort of, except no one should be forced to do anything so if they want to decline, there is always someone else in that same field willing.

Also, corporations should be forced to pay their fair share. Everyone would get a cut. No more socialism(subsidies) to big oil for example. That way the experts can't bribe or be lobbied by anyone. The military industrial complex can fuck off too. Corporations would be done deciding for people what's profitable and what's not.


--------------------

"Souls love. That’s what souls do. Egos don’t, but souls do. Become a soul, look around, and you’ll be amazed-all the beings around you are souls." -Ram Dass

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleredgreenvines
irregular verb
 User Gallery

Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 37,847
Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: r3volution.gurl]
    #27591922 - 12/23/21 02:03 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

yeah, maybe free to decline perhaps, but sometimes everyone knows you are the right one, and if the compensation is fair for the extra something you bring to the task, why would you decline to help the community.

maybe can decline for family reasons, or for local business sake,

but of course you do not enter the lottery unless interested and qualified.


--------------------
:confused: _ :brainfart:🧠  _ :finger:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibler3volution.gurl
Female User Gallery


Registered: 10/20/21
Posts: 6,283
Loc: Canada Flag
Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27592053 - 12/23/21 03:53 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
yeah, maybe free to decline perhaps, but sometimes everyone knows you are the right one, and if the compensation is fair for the extra something you bring to the task, why would you decline to help the community.

maybe can decline for family reasons, or for local business sake,

but of course you do not enter the lottery unless interested and qualified.




I personally don't think anyone would decline unless something else they want to do is more important to them. I think it's when we force people to do things they don't want to and convince them to because of money, fame etc. That's where corruption can form. There will always be someone else right for the job as long as they are given the opportunity.


--------------------

"Souls love. That’s what souls do. Egos don’t, but souls do. Become a soul, look around, and you’ll be amazed-all the beings around you are souls." -Ram Dass

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleredgreenvines
irregular verb
 User Gallery

Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 37,847
Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: r3volution.gurl] * 1
    #27592058 - 12/23/21 03:57 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

qualified perhaps but right for the job is usually the person doing it that enjoys it and is qualified.

amazingly (or not) many qualified people are not 'right for the job' even if they want it. they need to be interested in solving the particular set of problems. etc.


--------------------
:confused: _ :brainfart:🧠  _ :finger:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibler3volution.gurl
Female User Gallery


Registered: 10/20/21
Posts: 6,283
Loc: Canada Flag
Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27592082 - 12/23/21 04:23 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
qualified perhaps but right for the job is usually the person doing it that enjoys it and is qualified.

amazingly (or not) many qualified people are not 'right for the job' even if they want it. they need to be interested in solving the particular set of problems. etc.




Agreed. Absolutely!


--------------------

"Souls love. That’s what souls do. Egos don’t, but souls do. Become a soul, look around, and you’ll be amazed-all the beings around you are souls." -Ram Dass

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMoses_Davidson
Non-Prophet
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/21/20
Posts: 613
Last seen: 4 months, 30 days
Re: Solution to Big Government [Re: r3volution.gurl]
    #27592681 - 12/24/21 07:48 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
that's interesting - equating corporations with governments.
corporations are about profit.

government is not a business, it is about operations that support people and families beyond the walls of the home in a district. corporations have no such mandate.




Historically, it's not so different. The structure of our modern system of government (Senate/Parliament following parliamentary procedure balanced by the Executive function) came directly from feudalism in the UK. The more land one had in Parliament, the more important that peer was. A corporation is a miniature fiefdom where stock replaces land. The more stock one has, the more important. Both were all about providing profit to the land/stock holders, and citizens received protection just the same as cattle or any other income-producing assets.

Today several corporations and special interest groups run and control the government so we as the populace are still just income producing assets. We are only as protected as we need to be in order to continue producing revenue for our feudal owners.

If modern government in the English-speaking world (which was originally a system of profiteering from Norman thuggery) can be redeemed into a system to serve the populace, then it's sister who was also born of feudalism (corporations) can as well.

Relief was the job of the church. Exempli grati, hospitals were mostly all owned by the church. 

Quote:

r3volution.gurl said:
I completely agree with your OP. I'd personally prefer a board of experts to replace all Government instead of Presidents and anything relating to politics. It's old and needs to die, literally and figuratively. We need the best of the best in academics(Scientists, Doctors, Journalists<real ones> etc.) conveying our global and local issues to us and like you said with our technology it is no issue to vote through that as often as needed/wanted.




Government can be privatized for greater efficiency (competition has Darwinistic effects) and algoarchy will eventually be determining most corporate decisions. Algoarchy and maths are already in control of Wall Street.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: < Back | 1 | 2 | 3  [ show all ]

Shop: Myyco.com Golden Teacher Liquid Culture For Sale   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Something 'Behind' the World Governments?
( 1 2 3 4 all )
Source 3,363 75 07/09/04 11:18 PM
by Droz
* Externalization - A theme from The Corporation redgreenvines 1,009 5 07/26/04 04:34 PM
by Positronius
* Solution to the world's problems?
( 1 2 3 all )
Alan Stone 2,558 55 11/30/03 02:45 AM
by fireworks_god
* Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be?
( 1 2 3 all )
Gthirteens 2,584 43 03/23/03 10:11 PM
by EvilGir
* problems and solutions NiamhNyx 835 9 02/02/04 04:35 AM
by Alan Stone
* The final solution: Human consciousness and angst explained. Pyronate 1,443 18 08/01/03 07:25 PM
by Murex
* Peace solution for the mid-east! LOBO 1,009 10 04/12/02 04:27 PM
by skaMariaPastora
* Government of Lord & Government of World dattaswami 604 1 03/06/06 12:16 PM
by psyka

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Middleman, DividedQuantum
1,744 topic views. 0 members, 6 guests and 2 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.023 seconds spending 0.004 seconds on 13 queries.