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Shoeboxes vs Monos
#27590273 - 12/22/21 06:15 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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Im sure it's been brought up before but I'd like to bring it up again for newer folk to chime in and older folk to vouch for if their opinions have changed. SHOEBOXES VS MONOS. Lets talk pros and cons and workflow efficiency and such. Ive just now got to where I have more spawn than I need, I have 7 live containers, my fridge is full, and I've nocced every jar I have. I haven't really even had the chance to do monos before due to all the dumb noob cult problems i had starting out but I've always felt shoeboxes were better. My logic is that shoeboxes require less space and spawn, but they can put out the same canopies as monos. Although you sacrifice a little height in spawn depth, you can have the space of a mono in stacked shoeboxes. Furthermore using less spawn there's less loss if there is any contamination. Even if all your spawn is bacterial youre not shitting an entire bed of live fruit all at once, just little small beds one at a time. If you prefer monos please please share a little info on what type of tub you use or any modifications you do to any existing teks (and here too pls Mono ppls)
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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: kreg] 1
#27590314 - 12/22/21 07:04 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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The amount of fruit you get is a function of the amount of spawn you use. For example, all things being equal other than tub size, if you mix 1 quart of grain spawn to 2 quarts of coir in a shoebox, and then you you mix 4 quarts of grain to 8 quarts of coir in a larger monotub, you will get 4x the fruit weight in the larger monotub because you used 4x the grain.
Some say that a larger tub puts out larger/more fruit due to the larger cake size being more conducive to that, but I don't think that's ever been proven.
Shoeboxes don't really take less horizontal space; if you want to grow X ounces of mushrooms, whether you do it in 6 shoeboxes or 1 big tub, it's about the same. Monotubs tend to be taller though, so you could stack shoeboxes and have more fruit per vertical foot.
I like shoeboxes for two reasons: 1. I don't lose a whole tub if I end up with a contamination issue 2. I don't grow on a large scale, I like to try a lot of different varieties, and I like to grow out as many cultures of a variety as I can in order to find the best phenotypes. Shoeboxes fit this best.
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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: Hindsight] 1
#27590320 - 12/22/21 07:21 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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I do most of my grows in shoeboxes for the same reasons Hindsight outlined above.
In my experience, the pros for monotubs are less cleanup, more flexibility to dial in conditions, less maintenance if done right, and potentially more water to draw from given the greater sub depth. Cons are contam risk.
Just to play devils advocate though…if you’re utilizing G2G or wedges from the same plate into you jars…if one goes bad, aren’t they all likely to be bad anyway? So maybe the contam thing is slightly overblown for the monos.
9 times out of 10 I do shoeboxes so I can experiment with different varieties, hunt for clones, try new sub prep/surface conditions, etc.
I grow as a hobby only. Even if monos yielded more, I don’t really care since one grow is more than I would ever need anyway.
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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: Hindsight] 4
#27590327 - 12/22/21 07:39 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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Hindsight said: The amount of fruit you get is a function of the amount of spawn you use. For example, all things being equal other than tub size, if you mix 1 quart of grain spawn to 2 quarts of coir in a shoebox, and then you you mix 4 quarts of grain to 8 quarts of coir in a larger monotub, you will get 4x the fruit weight in the larger monotub because you used 4x the grain.
Some say that a larger tub puts out larger/more fruit due to the larger cake size being more conducive to that, but I don't think that's ever been proven.
This is not the case, if more spawn = more fruit then 1:1 spawn ratio would be ideal, or additional supplementation would be measurably beneficial. Mushrooms are approximately 92% water, the reason why larger tubs put out larger fruits isn't due to the colonies access to grain, it's because there is a greater water reservoir to draw from. There is a minimum requirement for supplementation that's provided by the grain however it's not significant.
You said it yourself, 4 quarts of grain to 8 quarts of substrate is still 1:2 spawn ratio, the water reservoir is now four times what it was previously whereas the grain has only doubled.
RR used to have an example of the importance of water in a flush, he had 1 fruit growing from a tiny bit of coir that grew quite large because it was given access to a constant supply of water, he was illustrating the importance of misting as the flush was coming in, but if you can begin with this water already in the sub, misting then becomes unnecessary.
Increase the amount of water available to your mycelium and you will increase the harvest weight, reduce the amount of water and you will place a limitation on the potential of the culture.
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thank you p9 you took the words right out of my head, you rock. I've seen the classic condensation tuning thread, but for someone like me who likes shoeboxes more I think my misting situation needs to be down first. I've been trying to only mist once or twice a day not to choke them out, recently I've been waiting til it looks like the surface coir is visibly dry and lighter then I mist til it's a little dark again. I've also been running with a group that's been giving me lots of blobhead mutants though so maybe that's still too much.
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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: kreg]
#27590335 - 12/22/21 07:51 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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Any time 
When considering the dry ingredients in any grow by weight, then compared to the water weight, the water represents a large percentage of not only the environment but makes up a significant amount of the organism itself.
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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: kreg]
#27590338 - 12/22/21 07:54 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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maybe this is Bad, i guess ill find out by posting it, but i dont like spraying water all over my fruiting bodies mid-flush so in a situation where i feel they need more moisture ive taken to just pouring some water on the surface of the sub. it drinks it up pretty fast, havent had any issues thus far
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Pouring water onto the surface or bottom watering is a great way to beef up the flush, but ask yourself why you'd do this after that fact as apposed to adding that additional water to the sub to begin with?
Coir/verm can only hold soo much water before it gets sloppy, so account for the excess water required during the flush by increasing the cv to accommodate that water before spawning.
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I stand corrected!
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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: kreg] 1
#27590357 - 12/22/21 08:09 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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kreg said: thank you p9 you took the words right out of my head, you rock. I've seen the classic condensation tuning thread, but for someone like me who likes shoeboxes more I think my misting situation needs to be down first. I've been trying to only mist once or twice a day not to choke them out, recently I've been waiting til it looks like the surface coir is visibly dry and lighter then I mist til it's a little dark again. I've also been running with a group that's been giving me lots of blobhead mutants though so maybe that's still too much.
Have you checked out my thread that covers these issues?
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27426583
By increasing the sub in your shoebox you will not need to mist, and by adding the thick compressed top layer you'll eliminate blobs.
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p9hu7 said: Pouring water onto the surface or bottom watering is a great way to beef up the flush, but ask yourself why you'd do this after that fact as apposed to adding that additional water to the sub to begin with?
fair question. typically i only do this when my tubs are "done" to see if theyll cough up a few more fruits before succumbing to the little green monster. in other instances i might have more spawn than space so i end up doing something close to 1:1.5
at least i ditched the humidifier
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You said it yourself, 4 quarts of grain to 8 quarts of substrate is still 1:2 spawn ratio, the water reservoir is now four times what it was previously whereas the grain has only doubled.
How is the grain volume only doubled? There is 4 quarts grain and 8 quarts CV with 1:2.
So both increased four times.
Or do you change the ratio for monos?
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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: Regis]
#27590365 - 12/22/21 08:14 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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Because 2x2=4, which is double, not 8 times ; )
But yes, my tubs are 1:6
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Hindsight uses 1 quart grain and 2 quarts coir for shoeboxes, and 4 quarts grain and 8 quarts coir for monos. Not 2 quarts grain and 2 quarts coir for shoeboxes.
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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: Regis]
#27590375 - 12/22/21 08:21 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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I will try 1:6 for the next grow. Always used 1:2 and was annoyed by the small fruits. Thanks for the tip
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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: Regis]
#27590382 - 12/22/21 08:25 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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1:2 @ 1 part grain to 2 parts coir, or 1 quart of spawn to 2 quarts of coir.
Now, 4 parts grain to 8 parts coir, yes?
The ratio remains the same, 1:2 but:
The difference between 1 part and two parts is what? It has doubled, yes? So two times as much grain. 4 quarts is twice as much as 2 quarts.
The coir has increased from 2 quarts coir to 8 quarts of coir in the example given in the post above.
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For example, all things being equal other than tub size, if you mix 1 quart of grain spawn to 2 quarts of coir in a shoebox, and then you you mix 4 quarts of grain to 8 quarts of coir in a larger monotub, you will get 4x the fruit weight in the larger monotub because you used 4x the grain
The difference between 2 quarts and 8 quarts is 4, 2x4=8. 8 quarts of sub is a 4 fold increase.
Twice as much grain, four times as much c/v.
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I honestly don't like shoeboxes over monos. It's just more to fuss with and their moisture levels have to be monitored. I've also never matched the output of a mono with a shoe box. With the big boi tub I just set it and forget it, which is my cult style. I also get much better second and third flushes from a mono because as P9 pointed out, moisture.
I'll be giving the 2.5 gal ziplocks a go here soon. Those definitely appear to have chunks of shoeboxes in their stool when it comes to output.
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Hindsight said: For example, all things being equal other than tub size, if you mix 1 quart of grain spawn to 2 quarts of coir in a shoebox, and then you you mix 4 quarts of grain to 8 quarts of coir in a larger monotub...
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p9hu7 said: Now, 2 parts grain to 8 parts coir, yes?
No. 4 quarts grain to 8 quarts coir.
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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: Regis] 1
#27590418 - 12/22/21 08:46 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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Ah yes, i wrote the wrong number somehow, but 4 is not 4x as much as 2.
Nvm, im now going back over what was said. He said 1, not 2. My bad, you are correct.
I need to wake up before posting.
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Edit: it's all good. Thought I was somehow missing something
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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: Regis]
#27590427 - 12/22/21 08:58 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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Yeah, you're right, i lost track of the numbers while posting lol.
Im drinking coffee in my old man pj'
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So p9hu7, regardless of any misreading, I do believe I may have learned something new from what you said but I want to confirm. In my example, I had the spawn ratio being the same. But let's change the scenario so it is different. You are saying that a tub with 1 quart of spawn and 2 quarts of coir will produce less than the same tub with 1 quart of spawn and 4 quarts of coir, due to the extra water provided by the additional coir, correct? If so, it seems like you have found that 1:6 is the optimal ratio, and you get diminishing returns beyond that?
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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: Hindsight]
#27590437 - 12/22/21 09:09 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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even if its the same ratio, monos are a larger size ratio, more depth, and width per length. They are 4:3 where shorboxes are 16:9 his example makes sense although the numbers are confusing. Regardless of ratio, monos require more spawn even if you were doing same length and width canopy in shoeboxes because of the depth you'd need more. Im stoned and still very wired from my coffee lets move on! lol although i am very curious about the 1:6 ratio part very surprising. I was ready to go inverse and try spawning a tub with very little sub!
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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: Hindsight] 1
#27590454 - 12/22/21 09:28 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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Yeah, despite the basic math fail the more water you have the greater potential for a heavier flush. This is all genetic though, basic principles still apply. If you have dirty spawn or have a shit culture nothing you do with your sub will change that much, but if you have everything else in order than yes.
The change needs to be an increase in substrate, not a reduction of spawn.
If you're using 650gr coir and 4 quarts of spawn, for instance, you don't get more mushrooms by reducing the amount of spawn while maintaining the same amount of water in the substrate, the water reservoir hasn't changed, but this scenario allows for you to get more out of your spawn by not having to use as much for that recipe while maintaining the same results, you get a similar harvest while being conservative with your spawn. You get more bang for your buck.
Now if you increase the reservoir from:
650gr c/v 4 liters of water 4 quarts spawn
to
900gr c/v 5 liters of water 4 quarts spawn
you've just increased the amount of water by 1k grams, while maintaining the same baseline of supplementation. This is where you can take advantage of an efficient culture.
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one more reason to be absolutly anal about clean spawn. dont want to waste a fuckload of coir.
you still use 4 quarts grain with 1:6?
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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: Regis] 1
#27590471 - 12/22/21 09:40 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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Yup, I think that 4 quarts is the baseline for a full size mono. I think that you'll get diminishing returns if you start adding additional mount of c/v with less spawn than that, plus it would take forever to colonize.
If using a standard 650g recipe you can probably get away with less than 4 quarts, but I think that 4 quarts is a good standard for bulk.
If reducing the amount of spawn to less than 4 quarts I would recommend using smaller sized tubs like sweater box mini monos or shoeboxes. I don't have data on that because I haven't directly tested it, this seems reasonable to me but I'd be interested to see the results with a full mono with a standard c/v recipe but with less than 4 quarts of spawn.
With a shoebox its different though, 1:6 though it may seem like a lot of sub for only 1 qt of spawn, but it's still only a shoebox worth of sub, it takes a bit longer to colonize but it doesn't harm the performance.
So yes, I've found that a 1:6 spawn to sub ratio works great for shoeboxes, and great for my 66qt monos using 4qts/lbs of spawn as a baseline, combined with compression and leveling with a trowel, and a thick compressed top layer.
This has changed my cult game. I should mention that its not a true 1:6 because the quart measurement used to measure my c/v is a full, actual quart. Not myco quarts which is only 3 cups.
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Following this....Should field capacity be changed when going from a monotub to growing in shoeboxes? Is there some tweeking?
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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: Wes377]
#27590516 - 12/22/21 10:25 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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Field capacity doesn't change, this is the reason for increasing the volume of c/v along with the increased h20, if you increase h20 while maintaining the same amount of c/v you'll exceed field capacity and make your tub sloppy.
The only reason we use coir/verm is to hold water in reserve for fruits, so as water increases so does the necessity for sub to hold it effectively.
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i just haven't been using verm recently, mostly just haven't seemed to need it + keep forgetting I even have it.
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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: kreg]
#27590549 - 12/22/21 10:56 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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Whats your coirb recipe without verm?
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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: kreg] 1
#27590557 - 12/22/21 11:02 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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I doing a test now using two different size bags.
All bags are receiving 200 grams of spawn.
I'm using unicorn large grow bags and one gallon Ziploc.
The unicorn bags are receiving 800 grams hydrated coir/verm.
The one gallon Ziplocs are receiving 400 grams hydrated coir/verm.
I'm in the middle of harvesting and loosing some bags to trich, so I don't have an accurate average of wet weight.
It appears that the one gallon Ziplocs are producing much smaller fruit at about 150 grams wet per bag.
The unicorn bags are all producing over 250 grams wet, 326 gram bag was the highest. all large fruit.
In this test I started with 50 one gallon Ziplocs and 25 Unicorn bags.. (I'm guessing a little on the bag count since this test was for me to get a rough idea on cutting back on spawn.)
This test showed me just what happens when you cut back on spawn ratio.
More spawn Is not necessarily better.
I was adding 400 grams spawn to my Unicorn bags with 800 grams c/v and averaging a little over 200 grams wet.
So I can see now by using half the spawn I'm getting much much higher yield and bigger fruit..
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like 1:1 coir spawn im really new into things though. Most of my shoeboxes put out weird canopies
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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: kreg]
#27590571 - 12/22/21 11:11 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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Its the amount of water that matter, in grams when compared to harvest weight in wet grams. Coir weight is irrelevant.
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p9hu7 said: Whats your coirb recipe without verm?
I noticed your substrate formula on your top-layer thread. Any reason you add verm to the coir? I feel like coir holds water just as well as verm, but I've never done any tests nor side-by-side comparisons of tubs with 100% coir, vs adding some verm in there. Looks like you are doing 1 part verm to 3 parts coir. Just curious if you've done any tests that prove having verm in there is better than coir alone.
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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: Hindsight]
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I feel like verm actually hold more water. When I hydrate my coir I do it on the wet side, and I keep adding dry verm until it is at the proper field capacity.
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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: Hindsight] 2
#27590632 - 12/22/21 12:02 PM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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You can use straight coir but I prefer using verm to add texture and to increase the amount of holding power that my coir has without having to add more coir.
I'm not sure if one holds more than the other pound for pound, er whatever.
So let's say that you're running the standard recipe but without verm:
650gr coir
3 quarts verm 4 quarts h20.
When you remove the verm but maintain the same amount of water you will have to add more coir to make up for the loss.
650gr of coir can only hold say 2 quarts of h20 before it exceeds field capacity, so either way you'll need to add more materials, in this case it will be more coir if you're not using verm.
I prefer the addition of verm to add texture and so that I'm not using soo much coir, which I am already using quite a bit of.
I judge my tubs based on a number of criteria but one of the most imortant/fundamental criterion is a cultures ability to move water into the fruits, I learned this hack from pasty.
So by having a known weight of starting water I can compare to the first flush wet weight of my tub:
My starting weight is 5000 grams of water If my harvest is on average 40% (2k gr) of that initial weight or greater, this is good;
If it's 50% (2500 gr) or greater this is great;
70% (3500 gr)is excellent.
This is how I track my cultures, but it is only 1 kind of efficiency.
Others are:
The cultures ability to efficiently utilize the available fruiting suurface;
Clustering;
Potency.
So the starting water weight is crucial because this is what ultimately determines The upper limit of your harvest. The weight of the c/v or just coir is simply incidental, it is a function of its ability to effectively hold water. More water will mean you must increase the thing that holds it, this is why I don't use the BE calculation for cubes, I don't think that it applies due to the dry weight of coir having no real affect on anything except it's ability to hold water.
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idk which holds more water but straight coir likes to clump up so i throw a handful of verm in there to keep things loose
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Nice, well I have a massive bag of coarse verm I have only been using in my pan substrates so will try adding it to coir for my cube subs too and see if I notice any difference.
Did you see Pasty was running an experiment to see if coir actually provides any nutrients to mycelium? https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27554945/fpart/1/vc/1
I've been waiting for the results of that.
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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: Hindsight]
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I have not. I'll take a look, thanks.
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verm also adds a great crunchy texture to the feet
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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: kreg]
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From The net....
Vermiculite is a naturally occurring mineral (magnesium-aluminum-iron silicate) that is mined in various countries around the world, including the USA and South Africa. ... Vermiculite can absorb three or four times its weight in water and also attracts various plant nutrients such as potassium, magnesium and calcium.
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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: micelio] 1
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define "attracts nutrients"
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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: micelio] 1
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micelio said: Vermiculite can absorb three or four times its weight in water
Nice.
Also google:
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Coir can absorb water at a rate of about seven times its dry weight.
https://www.finegardening.com/article/getting-to-the-coir-of-the-matter#:~:text=Coir%20can%20absorb%20water%20at,fit%20in%20many%20garden%20applications.
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I think next time I try a mono Ill go for one of the reputable no-mod tubs that can run lid flipped. I wonder if bodhi still runs without liners.
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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: Mr Piggy]
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Mr Piggy said: define "attracts nutrients"
Yes..!
I caught that too. (attracts) It's definitely a bad choice of wording in the article...
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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: micelio]
#27591054 - 12/22/21 06:41 PM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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There's a new fighter in the ring, I just noticed that the most up-to-date mono teks are from 2017. Pastywhite's and Bodhi's. Certainly by now someone has been experimenting successfully with something that hasn't been published yet. Also I noticed in both of those teks, spawn to sub ratio isn't mentioned, if it is I overlooked it. I do want more notes on spawn to sub ratios and any layering one may be doing. I found a 26qt tub and I have 2qts of spawn that I think I might want to throw in a mono just for science sake, I'm apprehensive thinking about the ratios, also thinking about potential necessary FAE modifications
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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: kreg] 2
#27591062 - 12/22/21 06:45 PM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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I personally prefer pasty' ez dial tubs, and layering isn't a thing, global mixing of spawn is much better.
Make sure to cover your grains with at least a thin top layer to prevent them from drying out. Standard tub ratios that perform well 1:3 or 1:4.
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Sorry meant like casing, I was actually just reading Bodhi doesn't use a top layer, he mentioned running with exposed grains. I had actually been doing that myself too with most of my containers and shoeboxes, sometimes I'd sprinkle a little verm on a little after colonization started but I can't explain why I did it lol
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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: kreg]
#27591140 - 12/22/21 07:56 PM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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Well, of course you CAN leave grain on top and it will work. I did it for months. But it's much better to cover it with a pseudo casing like shown in p9hu7's tek. Pans REALLY benefit from that since they (and the substrates) are so sensitive to contamination.
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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: Hindsight]
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reviving this thread. this was a really informative read, but my takeaway was contradictory to what i’ve read across the board on this forum.
i’ve almost exclusively read spawn:sub of 1:1-2 is ideal, but here we’re saying 1:4-6 based on tub/shoebox? :-o
anyone know of any newer teks that discuss this in detail with good experiments?
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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: Godhood]
#27959431 - 09/20/22 06:26 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Anyone who says 1:1- 1:2 is ideal shouldn't be giving cultivation advice; as for my shoebox/mono-tub that's 1:6 click the top layer/Pseudo-Casing link in my sig.
Edited by Stipe-n Cap (09/20/22 06:34 PM)
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I do 1:2, Get close to 28g dry per flush,
I can’t imagine how long it would take to colonize 1:4
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I prefer not to
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acapulcogold said: I do 1:2, Get close to 28g dry per flush,
I can’t imagine how long it would take to colonize 1:4
Weird, I get between 5 and 8oz dry first flush, I couldn't imagine getting less than 4 dry oz; wait, I can imagine....and it would result in Seppuku so that I could at least regain my honor.
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Weird, I get between 5 and 8oz dry first flush
from how much spawn?
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4lb spawn bags or 4 myco quarts; it's all in my Pseudo-Casing thread ehich is linked in my signature.
1:1 can cause mutants, 1:2 is a waste.
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Ok so I’m using 1qt So the results aren’t that much better, How fast are you harvesting?
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p9hu7 said: 4lb spawn bags or 4 myco quarts; it's all in my Pseudo-Casing thread ehich is linked in my signature.
1:1 can cause mutants, 1:2 is a waste.
That is what I’ve been seeing
I’ll try 1:3 or 1:4 next and I’ll tag you !
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Yeah man, good luck; I think you'll like the results
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This was my first time doing shoeboxes, but i ran 4 in parallel (coir substrate + g2g jars from same master jar):
1:1.5 - 13 days spawn to harvest; 14g dry first flush. 1:2.5 - 14 days spawn to harvest; 12g dry first flush. 1:3.5 - 16 days spawn to harvest; 18g dry first flush. 1:4.5 - 17 days spawn to harvest; 20g dry first flush.
wow.
after the first flush, am i supposed to rehydrate the substrate by bottom-watering for 24 hours or something? i’m starting to get my second flush, but the substrate has looked dry (as judged by droplets on the surface) so i’ve had to mist ~daily. whereas for the first flush i did not mist at all.
Edited by Godhood (10/27/22 02:09 AM)
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