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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27590697 - 12/22/21 12:53 PM (3 years, 25 days ago)

verm also adds a great crunchy texture to the feet  :laugh2:

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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: kreg]
    #27590705 - 12/22/21 01:01 PM (3 years, 25 days ago)

From The net....

Vermiculite is a naturally occurring mineral (magnesium-aluminum-iron silicate) that is mined in various countries around the world, including the USA and South Africa. ... Vermiculite can absorb three or four times its weight in water and also attracts various plant nutrients such as potassium, magnesium and calcium.


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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: micelio] * 1
    #27590712 - 12/22/21 01:08 PM (3 years, 25 days ago)

define "attracts nutrients"


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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: micelio] * 1
    #27590715 - 12/22/21 01:12 PM (3 years, 25 days ago)

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micelio said:
Vermiculite can absorb three or four times its weight in water




Nice.

Also google:

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Coir can absorb water at a rate of about seven times its dry weight.




https://www.finegardening.com/article/getting-to-the-coir-of-the-matter#:~:text=Coir%20can%20absorb%20water%20at,fit%20in%20many%20garden%20applications.

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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27590789 - 12/22/21 02:48 PM (3 years, 25 days ago)

:dogpipe:


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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: bakedbeings]
    #27590880 - 12/22/21 04:09 PM (3 years, 25 days ago)

I think next time I try a mono Ill go for one of the reputable no-mod tubs that can run lid flipped. I wonder if bodhi still runs without liners.

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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #27590973 - 12/22/21 05:25 PM (3 years, 25 days ago)

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define "attracts nutrients"




Yes..!

I caught that too. (attracts) It's definitely a bad choice of wording in the article...


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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: micelio]
    #27591054 - 12/22/21 06:41 PM (3 years, 25 days ago)

There's a new fighter in the ring, I just noticed that the most up-to-date mono teks are from 2017. Pastywhite's and Bodhi's. Certainly by now someone has been experimenting successfully with something that hasn't been published yet. Also I noticed in both of those teks, spawn to sub ratio isn't mentioned, if it is I overlooked it.
            I do want more notes on spawn to sub ratios and any layering one may be doing. I found a 26qt tub and I have 2qts of spawn that I think I might want to throw in a mono just for science sake, I'm apprehensive thinking about the ratios, also thinking about potential necessary FAE modifications

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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: kreg] * 2
    #27591062 - 12/22/21 06:45 PM (3 years, 25 days ago)

I personally prefer pasty' ez dial tubs, and layering isn't a thing, global mixing of spawn is much better.

Make sure to cover your grains with at least a thin top layer to prevent them from drying out. Standard tub ratios that perform well 1:3 or 1:4.

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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27591089 - 12/22/21 07:11 PM (3 years, 25 days ago)

Sorry meant like casing, I was actually just reading Bodhi doesn't use a top layer, he mentioned running with exposed grains. I had actually been doing that myself too with most of my containers and shoeboxes, sometimes I'd sprinkle a little verm on a little after colonization started but I can't explain why I did it lol

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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: kreg]
    #27591140 - 12/22/21 07:56 PM (3 years, 25 days ago)

Well, of course you CAN leave grain on top and it will work. I did it for months. But it's much better to cover it with a pseudo casing like shown in p9hu7's tek. Pans REALLY benefit from that since they (and the substrates) are so sensitive to contamination.

Edited by Hindsight (12/22/21 07:58 PM)

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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: Hindsight]
    #27959005 - 09/20/22 01:42 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

reviving this thread.
this was a really informative read, but my takeaway was contradictory to what i’ve read across the board on this forum.

i’ve almost exclusively read spawn:sub of 1:1-2 is ideal, but here we’re saying 1:4-6 based on tub/shoebox? :-o

anyone know of any newer teks that discuss this in detail with good experiments?

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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: Godhood]
    #27959431 - 09/20/22 06:26 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Anyone who says 1:1- 1:2 is ideal shouldn't be giving cultivation advice; as for my shoebox/mono-tub that's 1:6 click the top layer/Pseudo-Casing link in my sig.

Edited by Stipe-n Cap (09/20/22 06:34 PM)

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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27959510 - 09/20/22 07:04 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I do 1:2,
Get close to 28g dry per flush,

I can’t imagine how long it would take to colonize 1:4

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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: acapulcogold]
    #27959528 - 09/20/22 07:14 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

you cant imagine?

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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: bakedbeings]
    #27959529 - 09/20/22 07:14 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I prefer not to

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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: acapulcogold] * 2
    #27959603 - 09/20/22 07:43 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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I do 1:2,
Get close to 28g dry per flush,

I can’t imagine how long it would take to colonize 1:4




Weird, I get between 5 and 8oz dry first flush, I couldn't imagine getting less than 4 dry oz; wait, I can imagine....and it would result in Seppuku so that I could at least regain my honor.:rofl:

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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27959615 - 09/20/22 07:48 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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p9hu7 said:

Weird, I get between 5 and 8oz dry first flush



from how much spawn?


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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: bakedbeings]
    #27959618 - 09/20/22 07:49 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

4lb spawn bags or 4 myco quarts; it's all in my Pseudo-Casing thread ehich is linked in my signature.

1:1 can cause mutants, 1:2 is a waste.

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Re: Shoeboxes vs Monos [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27959763 - 09/20/22 09:06 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Ok so I’m using 1qt
So the results aren’t that much better,
How fast are you harvesting?

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