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Long vid but I get and thank him for the info. People want to help him and not accepting money from people is cool of him. Thank you for letting us learn. Irish man. The Bono of computers. Lol.
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#27590855 - 12/22/21 03:50 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dell bought Alienware and they still put out mad decent computers.
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#27592704 - 12/24/21 08:30 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dell business computers and servers are top notch, as is their business grade on-site warranty and after sales service.
Consumer grade computing is a fucking minefield. One could substitute any computer brand for this story. So many crap budget machines out there. So many woe is me stories.
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#27594369 - 12/25/21 06:53 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Order your own not Dell and put it together oneself. Can see through the deception. Can do.
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#27596344 - 12/27/21 01:40 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've always had good experience with Dell. Had two desktops back in the day, they never broke and I only tossed them once they were obsolete.
Just got me a brand new XPS 15 laptop last week for Xmas. Has that 16:10 aspect ratio and basically no bezel anywhere which looks pretty bad ass. I'd buy more Dell shit.
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#27599078 - 12/29/21 07:34 PM (2 years, 29 days ago) |
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Dell is the way to go. A toast to dell and it's quality products, top of the line for the money.
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#27599365 - 12/30/21 12:43 AM (2 years, 28 days ago) |
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Wow, does get the views doesn't it? I should be an influencer on the Shroomery. What a joke.
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#27608873 - 01/06/22 09:36 AM (2 years, 21 days ago) |
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LENOVO THINKPAD GANG FTW!!!!!
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#27609269 - 01/06/22 03:05 PM (2 years, 21 days ago) |
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Meh, maybe. I'd take a Dell Latitude 7400 over any ThinkPad. Definitely better than the new HP ProBooks or even EliteBooks though.
Got all frothy when they brought them back out, but after getting some in found they weren't the same of the ThinkPads of old.
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#27609459 - 01/06/22 05:46 PM (2 years, 21 days ago) |
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Hmmmm.... yeah I guess I'll be the weirdo then because I say Thinkpad > HP > Dell
I guess maybe it's also worth noting I use Linux like religiously and I don't do any computer gaming, so maybe we just have a umm different user preferences.
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#27609471 - 01/06/22 05:57 PM (2 years, 21 days ago) |
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I'm with You, Kreg. Thinkpad with Linux here as well. My cousin had a Dell crap out a week before the warranty ran out. Serviceman came out and told him the MB is timed to crap out after the warranty runs out. He replaced the MB and also the screen and told him it will work ok forever now. And it did. I won't touch a Dell after that. Always Lenovo here.
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#27609478 - 01/06/22 06:02 PM (2 years, 21 days ago) |
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Yeah that sounds about right. And for me it's a lot of ergonomics too. HP laptops are flimsy pieces of crap that explode when you drop them and overheat when you run MS paint, Dell laptops are thick nokia bricks you could smuggle cocaine in. Thinkpad's are like sexy sports cars with the famous slick nonstick chiclet keyboard, trackball, perfect mousepad size with no buttons as it should be, perfect amount of slimness and durability. Oh and that little light ON THE OUTSIDE that gives you charger and battery indication? MMMM. Thinkpads are hot.
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#27609535 - 01/06/22 07:06 PM (2 years, 21 days ago) |
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At home I just use a tablet for most of my computing, have an old HP desktop running Linux that I use to pirate stuff and watch YouTube vids mostly. All my workstations at home and work are Linux.
Here at work I've got all the toys, laptops, towers, servers, storage and more. The opinions I make about devices and software are normally based on reliability and functionality rather than aesthetics. I'm only looking at business grade year anyhow so few of them are honky bricks. In this last generation of laptops I've had far more issues with hardware and hardware compatibility of ThinkPads than any other issue with all my supported notebooks together. USB hub issues, power button issues, screen hinge issues... just general woe that I wouldn't expect from expensive devices. Not a single Dell notebook from this generation has come in for service for hardware issues.
Here's a picture taken now, ThinkPad open there that I'm looking at this moment, pile of other notebooks and PC's on the left.
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Re: Don't buy a Dell. Thank God for Social Media. Upgrading. Any advice? [Re: Mushit] 1
#27609569 - 01/06/22 07:33 PM (2 years, 21 days ago) |
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Mushit said: My cousin had a Dell crap out a week before the warranty ran out. Serviceman came out and told him the MB is timed to crap out after the warranty runs out. He replaced the MB and also the screen and told him it will work ok forever now. And it did.
Sounds like bullshit what the serviceman supposedly said. Urban myth or straight up fabrication. I've been working with computers a long time and have never heard of such a thing.
Dell, like HP, Lenovo, whoever, don't have insiders working for them as servicemen. They are regular old computer techs who run their own (or are employed by) private businesses and get a contract to do servicing for them. That's why they are running numbers and parts over the phone and getting permissions when at your house. They don't even work for them, they are contractors.
Some machines\parts have abysmal failure rates at certain parts of the bell curve, but that is shown and verifiable as failure rates not as built in self destruct features. A new part to fit the same laptop will have the same average failure rate. We even see this in other modern electronics like washing machines and televisions. A surefire way to get your ass sued to hell and lose is to build in literal countdown to destruction features in your products. That's not only illegal but business wrecking behaviour.
So many logical errors in the story. Fit for social media only.
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#27611060 - 01/07/22 10:06 PM (2 years, 20 days ago) |
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Mushit said: My cousin had a Dell crap out a week before the warranty ran out. Serviceman came out and told him the MB is timed to crap out after the warranty runs out. He replaced the MB and also the screen and told him it will work ok forever now. And it did.
Sounds like bullshit what the serviceman supposedly said. Urban myth or straight up fabrication. I've been working with computers a long time and have never heard of such a thing.
You must have heard about HP getting busted for the timers in the ink cartridges.... Do not underestimate the large corporations. They are in it for the money any way possible. Dell was one of these and this service man was a legit Dell rep. I have also been working on computers for a long time, and I have seen lots of it.
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#27611756 - 01/08/22 01:59 PM (2 years, 19 days ago) |
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Canon especially as well. They have been flogging printers at a loss and killing it on shady cartridges since forever. That's the business model. So many law suits. New ones happening now as far as I know. Printers are not computers though, that is not what we are talking about.
How do you know a tech that didn't even come to your house nor speak to you works directly for Dell? C'mon man. I get the urge to counter, but don't jerk me around.
Please reference about any countdown to failure timers on actual computers or components. I have never read of such a thing. I'm happy to be wrong, it's good to learn stuff. It'd be an insane thing to do with planned obsolescence apparent through architecture, memory and chip design, but I'd still love to read about it.
Last generation of PCs I saw a strong motherboard failure rate on a particular series of HP desktops, close to 10% over the lifetime of them. They didn't all fail at the same time, though I saw quite a lot in the start and many too early in the end of the bell curve. It was just a shitty component. It was apparent enough that I got HP to send me a couple of spares so I could swap them out myself rather than having a tech come out and waste everyone's time. It's stuff like this that gives rise to legends of planned failure, when in fact it's just shitty engineering and/or manufacturing and costs companies far more in warranty servicing and lost revenue when people don't buy more of their computers. I certainly didn't replace them with HP desktops this round, the only HPs I bought in the last few years were Z series workstations. Too many issues with the desktops. Case in point.
The generation before that HP was bulletproof, both towers and notebooks, and I didn't have a single failure over the whole deployment. They got sloppy, skimped on research and production costs, used reputation to sell a generation of machines and paid the price with shitty reviews and lost future revenue. This cycle goes on with all the manufacturers though. This generation it's Dell that is bulletproof in my deployment, but I don't anticipate it will stay that way either.
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#27617951 - 01/13/22 10:40 PM (2 years, 13 days ago) |
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I've been using a dell xps 13 for the past 3 years. Works ok, it is very light and small and portable. I purchased an external video card enclosure, and run one over the lightning port for when its docked so I can play games. Handles many AAA game titles like this, but at say only 80% of what it would were it a PC. I'd say in general only buy a laptop if you NEED portability, otherwise they are expensive and do not last long.
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#27642981 - 02/02/22 07:26 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Barnaby said: Order your own not Dell and put it together oneself. Can see through the deception. Can do.
That sounds great but how long does it take to learn to do that?
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#27647401 - 02/05/22 06:41 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Northerner said: Here's a picture taken now, ThinkPad open there that I'm looking at this moment, pile of other notebooks and PC's on the left.
I love me some StinkPad, though they slowly turned to shit after that Nehalem shrink. But that T480 seems a good compromise with Thunderbolt and two batteries, but currently I have no need for a quad core.
i7-3520M daily driver, i7-620M just because and some Kaby Lake to mess around. All X series.
Some time ago I've swapped out a semi dead base board out off a X201, with a nose stuffed full of ket. Easiest to service. Said thing gonna get the CoreBoot treatment soon.
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#27647662 - 02/05/22 09:26 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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I've been using only Dell XPS laptops for the past 5 years. I'm really happy with them - the keyboard is great, they are thin, fast, lightweight, durable and have great displays if you go for the UHD. The only thing I don't like is the trackpad, I always carry a bluetooth mouse in my computer bag. Probably not Dell's fault though, trackpads are just awkward in general.
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Barnaby said: Order your own not Dell and put it together oneself. Can see through the deception. Can do.
That sounds great but how long does it take to learn to do that?
start with the motherboard.
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Barnaby said: Order your own not Dell and put it together oneself. Can see through the deception. Can do.
That sounds great but how long does it take to learn to do that?
start with the motherboard.
Or rip some old junk apart, stuff different things together and see how it works. And put Gentoo on it.
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That sounds like a pretty privacy-centered setup.
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#27653085 - 02/09/22 11:46 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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This is gonna sound crazy but a dell xps 13 on sale is just about the best laptop you can get for the price. Wait for a sale, they are usually on the order of 30 to 50% off.
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#27702141 - 03/20/22 06:43 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Barnaby said: Long vid but I get and thank him for the info. People want to help him and not accepting money from people is cool of him. Thank you for letting us learn. Irish man. The Bono of computers. Lol.
Reminds me of Gamers Nexus's review of a dell computer. I hate Dell, have done ever since I had the misfortune of using one of their computers in 1995 and I'm surprised to see they've gotten worse since their heyday of 2001. Still using propietary parts. Fuck Dell. It's not that I even care about E waste, although I know that's a big issue. I just hate the idea that, for no good reason, Dell will go out of their way to use propietary motherboards, power supplies, cases and storage when it'd serve them better to use industry standard components. Apple computer does the same thing but at least they do it fairly well (Inb4 someone posts one of the numerous Louis Rossman videos showing the power regulation chip is right next to the really hot components so it'll die after a few years, rendering your laptop dead, or that long essay about how Apple deliberatly makes bad design to force consumers to buy more of their shit) and they've got their marketing so people see apple products as a status symbol.
Dell is cheap and nasty. The only thing they do that I like is monitors and those are usually LG third party with a Dell badge on them.
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Can you recommend alternative brands.
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They're all the same, they use the same components from the same factories. Despite the thread title Dell enterprise laptops are the best available this generation, 7400 series, imho.
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I'd look at the gamers nexus prebuilt series. Generally, a small local firm where you can collect a computer from is the best bet. As shown in one of the videos, there's a risk of parts falling out, which is no good for someone who doesn't know, nor wants to know, PC assembly.
I can't reccomend laptops, I don't use them.
But if I did get a laptop, I'd be seriously considering the framework. Their design philosophy aligns with my own, they're not going to install bloatware, and if I requested it, they'd probably supply the laptop without any operating system on it so I can be sure it's setup exactly as I want it to. But, it's not the cheapest. If I wanted a cheap laptop, I'd go for a thinkpad. If I wanted portable gaming, I'd get a steam deck.
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Northerner said: Dell business computers and servers are top notch, as is their business grade on-site warranty and after sales service.
Consumer grade computing is a fucking minefield. One could substitute any computer brand for this story. So many crap budget machines out there. So many woe is me stories.
The Dell LATITUDE is a solid computer. It's designed for "bussiness" users so they use way better quality plastic and parts that hold up way better compared to the shitty xpiron or however it's spelled. Better quality chips and better quality motherboard. My last 2 laptops were Dell Latitudes. The most recent one is an 3ghz i7 from 2014. I upgraded the ram to 16gb and upgraded to a ssd and it is fast as lightning now. Getting them refurbished, I have never paid more than $275 for them.
The only thing is that whatever computer you get, install YOUR OWN windows operating system without all of the manufacture bloatware. Only install the drivers that you really need.
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WHOA WHOA WHOA OK fuck thinkpad holy fucking shit--- mine just absolutely shit the fucking bed but then it proceeded to evolve and transform ------ i pulled the battery out of this cunt garbage and it's still flashing light in my face what the ultimate fuck is that- it's not plugged in, no battery, still has electricity KILL ME . I tried calling Lenovo, the seller, anyone, fucking long ass line of "press blank for blank, be sure to press blank, please listen carefully to this list, list of list, please listen okpressthisnowyouarent listening list listen to the list listen carefully press one again" FUCK
edit: i was drunk, i think it was in the bathroom while I took a shower. Its at Lenovo now :P oh well
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Your post scares me because I use a Thinkpad and just last night I was watching a video* about external hard drives and the person in the video flatly stated that your hard drive will eventually die and showed a clip of an upset person in front of a laptop. Of course, I was already aware of this, but I just find it to be coincidence that I saw your comment died a few hours after I saw that video. And it's even more of a coincidence because I was updating another thread in this forum when you made your comment and I rarely post in this forum (however, I decided not to make the post).
After seeing that video last night, I was considering making a post in this forum asking if anyone could donate a hard drive to me, pointing out that it was filled with psychedelic data, but I'll do it in this thread.
*Hard Drives Explained - Buying Guide for 2022 [HDD vs SSD]
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s240779 said: Your post scares me because I use a Thinkpad and just last night I was watching a video* about external hard drives and the person in the video flatly stated that your hard drive will eventually die and showed a clip of an upset person in front of a laptop. Of course, I was already aware of this, but I just find it to be coincidence that I saw your comment died a few hours after I saw that video. And it's even more of a coincidence because I was updating another thread in this forum when you made your comment and I rarely post in this forum (however, I decided not to make the post).
After seeing that video last night, I was considering making a post in this forum asking if anyone could donate a hard drive to me, pointing out that it was filled with psychedelic data, but I'll do it in this thread.
*Hard Drives Explained - Buying Guide for 2022 [HDD vs SSD]
I've been using computers since the early 90's, mid 90's when I got my first 286, never had a hard drive die on me. And that 286 got dropped when I had an arguement with my dad. It got scratched, every time I rebooted it'd lose it's data, but I was still able to reinstall dos on it and games. Was pretty annoying, took half an hour and I'd have to have all my games on floppy (which I did back then) but eventually got a 500mb hand me down hard drive which worked in it. I remember it, it had a program in it called ship.com, I typed it in to find out what it did. It makes the read/write arm move off of the platter. Literally you run the program prior to shipping a hard drive to park the arm. Later on that was built in automatically into the firmware.
If you're on a laptop or have a portable hard drive that you're swinging around and dropping like a mad cunt whilst it's on and writing data, yes, the hard drive might die, it might suffer a head crash. But if you treat them with respect and don't knock them, they're fine. My computer has a 4tb drive in it. I did knock it. Fortunately it was off at the time (I was being very stupid and lazy, next time I will remove the drive if I need to get around it, not just leave it hanging). Smart self diagnostic tells me it's in good health, crystal disk mark tells me it's slow, really on the low end of that sort of drive, as a precaution I backed up all my music and other valuables onto an SSD that has the room.
In the future I will be building my own NAS. A good external hard drive usually has a network interface as a feature, but they're expensive. I have the parts lying around to build a high spec one. Just need a motherboard, ram, power supply and some hard drives.
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