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genetic engineering and raising kids.
    #2758929 - 06/03/04 12:27 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

i've been learning some minor stuff about the development of the human brain in babies and stuff. as i understand it, alot of your potential, the normal emotional range throughout your life and what spectrum of of sensory sensitivity you'll have is all decided by seemingly small stuff when you're little.

so that means that all the random stupidity/filth/choas/ugliness/unhealthyness you were ever exposed to when you were younger had a chance of becoming a permanent nuerological structure in your brain, and in turn a part of who you are.

now i understand the shroomery people are maybe SLIGHTLY better off than most poeple when it comes to expunging early programming, but a majority of the poeple on earth don't reach the point where they understand that they can take control of thier brain.

as i see it, the only remedy is for the planet or country (whatever) to get off its lazy ass and figure out how to properly raise kids, figure out a system that produces healthy, happy children, but also is flexible in the sense of having many differnt avenues of possiblity depending on the individual. then we need to take the job of raising kids out of the hands of the poeple least likely to raise kids impartially -> thier parents. get those kids into some sort of community homes.

also, genetic engineering is a must, nough said about that.


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Re: genetic engineering and raising kids. [Re: truekimbo2]
    #2773904 - 06/08/04 06:00 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

were you watching pbs too?


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Re: genetic engineering and raising kids. [Re: truekimbo2]
    #2773998 - 06/08/04 08:53 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I remember when I was very little I thought my dad/other adults knew everything. Anything an adult told me was blindly accepted as fact. They had no problem with this, they called it learning.

Kids need to be taught how to think for themselves and how to form rational opinions from an early age.

And also, santa claus and the tooth fairy should be killed off. Lying to children is a deplorable thing to do.

When you say genetic engineering is a must, do you mean to "better" our children's intelligence/other desirable virtue? This is dangerous IMO - genetic variation is what makes evolution and protects against disease. Maybe it could be a good thing, but I don't believe we have enough knowledge about the consequences of it yet.


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Re: genetic engineering and raising kids. [Re: deafpanda]
    #2774072 - 06/08/04 09:45 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Kids need to be taught how to think for themselves and how to form rational opinions from an early age.

That would be ideal, but I'm afraid you can't skip steps. Your reasoning is like George W Bush. He wants to go around establishing these democracies in politically "primitive" countries, but it's doomed to fail. In Iraq the majority will use their democratically granted power as rationale to destroy minorities, because their political mindset hasn't developed as "far" as ours. A democratic, free society has to be earned by its citizens..

As for people's development over their life, the same principle applies. There was a famous taiji master who's take on the process was this: Confucianism, then daoism, and finally buddhism.

He didn't place any of these systems or approaches above any other, just acknowledged that each had it's own relevant time in our lives. Start with the "learning" that you described.. show up to class on time, follow the rules, but in all our lives we've hit a point where it's time to break out of these confines and "find" our true selves through whatever.. getting back to the earth, understanding our place in natural (as opposed to artificial) systems, and embracing our individuality and ability to think freely. I would guess that most of us here fit into this category. Next, as we approach death and our bodies fail us, we retreat into our minds, which I gather have something to do with something.


But anyway, my only point is that yes, ideally we would all be free thinkers able to pick apart what we're being told, but ultimately the process of life is to adopt ideas/methods/knowledge, and then throwing them away when we get as far as they'll take us so we can get to the next level. On the next level the previous methods are not relevant for taking us further, they're wrong for this level, but they weren't for the last and we needed the last level to get here, so...


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Re: genetic engineering and raising kids. [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2774164 - 06/08/04 10:23 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

"A democratic, free society has to be earned by its citizens.."

that stuck out for me and makes sense to me, too. there is a natural progression, a rythm, to life...to everything. realizing these rythms is harmony.


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Re: genetic engineering and raising kids. [Re: truekimbo2]
    #2774305 - 06/08/04 11:26 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Are you talking about genetically engineered food or humans? I refuse to eat GE foods or feed them to my kids. And why on earth would you want to fuck around with a human being that way???


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Re: genetic engineering and raising kids. [Re: Phishgrrl]
    #2774544 - 06/08/04 01:38 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

How do you think most plants and animals are created?


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    #2774549 - 06/08/04 01:40 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Um, I'm talking about genetic engineering- do you know what that is?


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Re: genetic engineering and raising kids. [Re: Phishgrrl]
    #2774557 - 06/08/04 01:45 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, that's why I asked that question.


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    #2774569 - 06/08/04 01:50 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I eat *organically grown food* and I don't eat animals as a rule, but if I did, they would be organically raised. Although I don't think MOST food in a regular supermarket is genetically engineered, it is most certainly going to be that way in the future if we don't put a stop to it. Also, I don't think *most plants and animals* on this planet are genetically engineered, do you?


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Re: genetic engineering and raising kids. [Re: Phishgrrl]
    #2774594 - 06/08/04 02:01 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Okay, I'm curious then: what do you find so repulsive about genetic engineering (both animals and foods)?


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Re: genetic engineering and raising kids. [Re: Phishgrrl]
    #2775299 - 06/08/04 06:08 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

"I eat *organically grown food* and I don't eat animals as a rule, but if I did, they would be organically raised. Although I don't think MOST food in a regular supermarket is genetically engineered, it is most certainly going to be that way in the future if we don't put a stop to it. Also, I don't think *most plants and animals* on this planet are genetically engineered, do you?"

you are aware that humans have been engineering our foods genetics for hundreds of years now and that organic food is also HEAVILY engineered, right?

so...actually, you just have a problem with the latest advancement in genetic engineering, not GE in general, or else you would be eating bark and saskatoon berries.

Oh me? I partial to processed cheese and pornography myself.


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Re: genetic engineering and raising kids. [Re: Phishgrrl]
    #2775309 - 06/08/04 06:12 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I never understood why some people object so strongly to genetically engineering food. I would be much much more worried about the hormones and chemicals they're pumping into our meat, milk and food than genetically engineering corn to be more weather resistant


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Re: genetic engineering and raising kids. [Re: Ravus]
    #2775336 - 06/08/04 06:23 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I would be much more worried about the chemtrails and the misty green invisibles floating through the stratosphere, dropping down in target-block sequences in accordance to population density patterns in the urban US.

Thats the real shit man, fuckin' black ops clotter-matchings, crop-duster air traffic control modules hidden in water sylos out in the middle of Kansas sending out 6 billion meg packets of information every minute-on-the-minute.



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Re: genetic engineering and raising kids. [Re: ]
    #2776254 - 06/09/04 12:08 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Max Headroom said:
Okay, I'm curious then: what do you find so repulsive about genetic engineering (both animals and foods)?




I am really tired and don't have a lot of time. Basically I believe it is fucking with nature in a way that will endanger the health of the Earth even further than we already have. It exploits native plants and populations by releasing pollen that easily can cross the boundaries of a farm and pollinate native or heirloom species that were "genetically engineered" by nature and humans over thousands and thousands of years of trial and error. Just a few more quick points why GMO makes me afraid!

*There is a difference between gene-splicing and traditional breeding. Genetic Modification is genetic pollution and will decrease biological diversity over the years. 

*Intellectual property- Economical impacts- Some fuckheads (99% sure it is Monsanto) are suing some farmers for having their corn polluted by F.Head's pollen. UGH.

*Monocropping- we lose biological diversity= bad

*The "New leaf potato" by monsanto- classified by the EPA as a pesticide. Who the hell wants to eat that???


See what I mean? Scary shit. There is tons of good info on the web about it. Read ANYTHING by Michael Pollen. He is a very unbiased person, grew the monsanto potatoes in his garden, but after researching them, refused to eat them. :lol:

http://www.bio-integrity.org/health-risks/health-risks-ge-foods.htm


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Re: genetic engineering and raising kids. [Re: Positronius]
    #2776259 - 06/09/04 12:11 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Positronius said:

you are aware that humans have been engineering our foods genetics for hundreds of years now and that organic food is also HEAVILY engineered, right?

so...actually, you just have a problem with the latest advancement in genetic engineering, not GE in general, or else you would be eating bark and saskatoon berries.

Oh me? I partial to processed cheese and pornography myself.




Again: There is a difference between gene-splicing and traditional breeding. Genetic Modification is genetic pollution and will decrease biological diversity over the years.

And enjoy your cheese flavored product and porn!  :wink:


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Re: genetic engineering and raising kids. [Re: Positronius]
    #2776261 - 06/09/04 12:13 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Positronius said:
I would be much more worried about the chemtrails and the misty green invisibles floating through the stratosphere, dropping down in target-block sequences in accordance to population density patterns in the urban US.

Thats the real shit man, fuckin' black ops clotter-matchings, crop-duster air traffic control modules hidden in water sylos out in the middle of Kansas sending out 6 billion meg packets of information every minute-on-the-minute.






I agree we should be worried about all this shit although I'm not sure what some of the stuff you are talking about is. (???) I think food is an extrememly important issue that affects EVERYTHING on this planet. The way it's raised, bought, sold, and eaten is very very important imnsho.


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Re: genetic engineering and raising kids. [Re: Phishgrrl]
    #2776503 - 06/09/04 01:24 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

yeah okay notes taken.

But I'm sure when agriculture came into existence, many people took the same position as you, they probably thought it was unnatural and would fuck up mother earth, etc.

its just another step in the scientific evolutionary staircase. I'll wait until all the evidence is in until I reach my verdict.

Right now, GE crops are feeding mouths that would have starved, thats a great accomplishment, but we shall see if this "genetic pollution" has the nightmare effects that some people write diatribes against.


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    #2777723 - 06/09/04 01:11 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think *most plants and animals* on this planet are genetically engineered

native plants and populations

This is where you and I differ then. However, I agree with your concern from a health perspective. I think more long-term research should be done when any plants or animals are genetically modified, so that they are ensured against disruption of ecosystem balance and harm to humans through poisoning.


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