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god's plan vs. satan's plan
    #2758670 - 06/02/04 11:32 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

doesn't satan have a plan for you as well?

when do we differentiate following a satan plan vs god's plan


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Re: god's plan vs. satan's plan [Re: kaiowas]
    #2758678 - 06/02/04 11:34 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

satan's plan is part of God's plan


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Re: god's plan vs. satan's plan [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2758709 - 06/02/04 11:39 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

gods plan is part of satans plan, equally


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Re: god's plan vs. satan's plan [Re: kaiowas]
    #2758742 - 06/02/04 11:44 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

If God is all powerful, how could there be a Satan? How could God lose at anything? How could anything happen that God didn't want to happen?

How could there even be a Satan unless God wanted there to be?






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Re: god's plan vs. satan's plan [Re: Learyfan]
    #2758755 - 06/02/04 11:47 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

this is gonna be a horrible debate


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Re: god's plan vs. satan's plan [Re: kaiowas]
    #2758757 - 06/02/04 11:47 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

There are two many problems within that question itself to attemp to fathom an answer


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Re: god's plan vs. satan's plan [Re: jono]
    #2758764 - 06/02/04 11:48 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

i just have one word actually.

DUALISM


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Re: god's plan vs. satan's plan [Re: BleaK]
    #2758768 - 06/02/04 11:49 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

:lol:






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Re: god's plan vs. satan's plan [Re: BleaK]
    #2758794 - 06/02/04 11:53 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

The only way dualism can exist is in the relative/physical/illusionary world. Ultimate reality has to be one truth.





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Re: god's plan vs. satan's plan [Re: Learyfan]
    #2758812 - 06/02/04 11:57 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

those are all just psychological crutch devices to keep you from reality. playground earth.


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Re: god's plan vs. satan's plan [Re: BleaK]
    #2758816 - 06/02/04 11:58 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

"this is gonna be a horrible debate"

not so fast!!!  :grin:


this is a fundamental idea of many religous people to walk the straight and narrow.  if you deviate from the path  you will be follow the path of satan. 

I always heard about god's plan, well if god is also satan, then isn't it all his plan?  if this is so, then isn't god already planed our soul to go to hell?  :confused:


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.---senior doobie


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Re: god's plan vs. satan's plan [Re: kaiowas]
    #2758928 - 06/03/04 12:27 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: god's plan vs. satan's plan [Re: ]
    #2758980 - 06/03/04 12:40 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Satan is actually the best thing to come out of that mythos in my opinion. The bringer of knowledge, enlightenment and freedom. Countering God's hubris and His demands for blind servility.


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    #2759059 - 06/03/04 12:58 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: god's plan vs. satan's plan [Re: ]
    #2759770 - 06/03/04 07:48 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

It is not about what you or I believe that makes Reality. We are creations of Reality and the mythos of Satan simply personifies that which causes obstacles to GOD's Will. Satan is Hebrew for 'adversary,' and in earlier Hebrew writings (like the Book of Job), GOD is shown to employ this angel to test the transcendental power of Job's faith over and against Job's worldliness.

People tend to confuse the conceptual models of Satan from Old Testament to New Testament, just as people confuse the nature of evil in Jewish and Christian beliefs. In Judaism we have an 'evil inclination' [Yetzer Hara] while Christianity swallowed Augustine's doctrine of 'Original Sin,' wherein we all inherited a totally depraved and fallen nature from the sin of Adam and Eve. We are therefore in complete dependence upon a Savior from GOD to absolve us and mutate our nature.

Evil (and its personification as Satan) has a metaphysical reality in that evil is a necessary correlate to creation. Even though creation is deemed good, it is characterized by limitation and imperfection, which, when pushed to extremes makes for monsterous perversions and deformities of the Ideal. Evil is the 'Shadow' that creation casts in the Light of GOD.

BTW, the Gnostic idea that the Serpent [actually, 'the shining one'] on the Tree of Good and Evil is synonymous with the Devil or with Lucifer [Light Bearer] or with Satan, are all confused notions. The Serpent is a Gnostic symbol for Wisdom, and GOD was an imperfect creation of Wisdom, who attempted to reproduce the image of the True GOD [the Pleroma] but produced the Creator GOD instead, or Demiurge. This Demiurge was sometimes identified with YHWH or with Satan or called Samael [the Blind God]. So the Serpent is not Satan-as-hero, not Satan at all in the Gnostic myth. In the Biblical myth, the serpent is the deceiver, yet without its role, the birth of human consciousness and the exercise of free will would not have been born. Satan as a personification has an important role to play in the entire creation [of world, humankind, consciousness [spirit]) mythos.


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Re: god's plan vs. satan's plan [Re: Learyfan]
    #2759814 - 06/03/04 08:26 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Learyfan said:
If God is all powerful, how could there be a Satan? How could God lose at anything? How could anything happen that God didn't want to happen?

How could there even be a Satan unless God wanted there to be?










I used to think that since God created Satan to tempt us then that would mean that we are fail-safe and no matter what Satan's plans are in the end we will win and he will loose by default.

Not quite so. The whole purpose of this planet is to have equal powers exersised between the two. God will win but Satan might win also. There is no 'safety-switch' that would prevent Satan from acomplishing his goal if we mess up. If there was one there would be no point in living here in the first place. That what makes this planet so interesting...


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Re: god's plan vs. satan's plan [Re: cleaner]
    #2760128 - 06/03/04 11:16 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

"i have one word for you... DUALISM"

exactly. There are different ways of understanding why things go on in the way they do. Millions of ways, and no one can convince everyone else which one is true.

Some people propose that their is a divine, omnipotent, omniscient god who plans and instigates everything that happens. But then some smart ass went and asked "hey, if god is good, and everything is part of his plan, then why did my baby just die of cholera?" in other words if god is good why do bad things happen.

So then some other guy was like... "hey maybe theres also a force of evil in the world, Satan, who opposes God and thus all change is a result of a celestial battle between good and evil"

But then some other smart ass was like "but if god is omnipotent, why cant he defeat Satan once and for all?"

and then alot of people said alot of things, like evil is nescessary to test our faith, or evil is nescessary because of Mans orginal Sin, or blah or blah or blah.

In my humble oppinion, its all silly shit.

There is no God. There Is no Satan. There is only TAO, an eternal source of creativity, unbiased, indifferent to good and evil, constantly creating. constantly changing. Good and evil are simply sides of the same coin, and we arbitrarily decide which is which as individuals.

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Re: god's plan vs. satan's plan [Re: Moonshoe]
    #2760408 - 06/03/04 12:47 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Lucifer was an arch angel that served at God's throne, but when he sinned against God he was cast upon the earth and the angelic name Lucifer was taken from him, and was given the name Satan, deciever, devil.....Satan can take on many forms.....as far as plan goes It's not God's will that any should perish..The theif cometh to steal, kill and destroy,but I have come that you might have life and have it more abudently......


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Re: god's plan vs. satan's plan [Re: kaiowas]
    #2762540 - 06/04/04 09:50 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

kaiowas said:
doesn't satan have a plan for you as well?

when do we differentiate following a satan plan vs god's plan




Um, satan does not exist. Fantasy..


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Re: god's plan vs. satan's plan [Re: peleg]
    #2763654 - 06/04/04 03:54 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I'm agreeing with Peleg on this one.


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