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Re: Do you guys think drugs like heroin should be allowed to be sold in dispensaries? [Re: viraldrome]
#27578984 - 12/12/21 05:42 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I did heroin for years, it had no impact on my life other than constipation and the occasional oops I did a lil too much.
I haven't done it in almost 10 years or some shit I have no idea but I fucking need it, I just need it to be legal so legalize it already. I can use it functionally and it improved the quality of my life.
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shivas.wisdom
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Re: Do you guys think drugs like heroin should be allowed to be sold in dispensaries? [Re: viraldrome]
#27579138 - 12/12/21 07:28 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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viraldrome said: My city has a supervised injection site and it just brings crime and homeless to the area, everyone hates it.
Do supervised injection sites bring crime and disorder? Advocates and residents disagree What little research exists on drug injection sites suggests they don’t cause an increase in serious crime. When Vancouver opened its first injection site, the community raised similar concerns. However, University of British Columbia researchers found there were no increases in drug trafficking, assaults or robberies, and a slight decline in vehicle thefts in the neighbourhood, according to a 2006 study.
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viraldrome said: The only issue this will address is OD's. Every other problem these people have will not go away or be made worse.
Assuming you're correct about every other problem (something I doubt), shouldn't addressing the overdose crisis be a top priority? Drug overdoses are now the leading cause of death for people aged 19 to 39 in BC.
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viraldrome said: There is a safe supply program in BC and the news interviewed a junkie who said they were giving him drugs worth hundreds of dollars so he sold/traded them and bought fentanyl. Flooding the streets with high quality opiods will get even more people hooked.
Not exactly as you remember it,
B.C.'s safer supply program needs more choice, say drug users and advocates And while the hydromorphone works for some people who use drugs, it doesn't work for Watchmen. What she really wants and needs is fentanyl. So what Watchmen does most often is take the hydromorphone pills and sell them for about $20. She then buys fentanyl on the street. With six people dying on average every day in the opioid crisis and B.C. on track to record more than 2,000 deaths this year alone, this is the very scenario that the safer supply program is designed to avoid. [...] Drury said "The fix for all of this is to have free, prescribed, clean fentanyl, either for injection or with the patch."
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Re: Do you guys think drugs like heroin should be allowed to be sold in dispensaries? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#27579387 - 12/12/21 10:14 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think age plays into it too.
I think a teenager with problems should NOT try hard drugs like coke or heroin.
FWIW: I started smoking in my 30's. I definitely feel the addiction creeping in but I am in a state of mind I am like "aha, you are creeping up? Fuck off".
I think my older brain is just less pliable and doesn't get addicted so fast. Plus life is so busy, who has time to get wasted?
Or... Some 70 year old dude? Yeah, give him the lot! When you are 70, you earned the right to get wasted and trash your body, it's not going anywhere good anyway.
Especially roids. I am starting TRT when I reach 40, IDGAF.
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Re: Do you guys think drugs like heroin should be allowed to be sold in dispensaries? [Re: DraxDomax]
#27579392 - 12/12/21 10:18 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just to clarify - we all should have the right to trash our bodies, no matter the age - but that's in theory.
In practice, you got crime, miserable public health funds and other issues-of-scale to worry about. I think allowing 20 year olds to become addicts is great for the individual freedom but terrible for the country and that'll quickly trickle to all individuals who comprise that country, including the 20 year olds practising their freedoms
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budmanman
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Re: Do you guys think drugs like heroin should be allowed to be sold in dispensaries? [Re: DraxDomax]
#27579395 - 12/12/21 10:25 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Legalize them all
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Re: Do you guys think drugs like heroin should be allowed to be sold in dispensaries? [Re: budmanman]
#27579435 - 12/12/21 11:35 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Do you guys think drugs like heroin should be allowed to be sold in dispensaries? [Re: rqd]
#27579516 - 12/13/21 02:49 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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What about a crack dispensary?
I think all drugs should be legal and available at cvs
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Re: Do you guys think drugs like heroin should be allowed to be sold in dispensaries? [Re: multifractal]
#27579532 - 12/13/21 03:41 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is such a complex question
On one hand I know purity and harm reduction should be better handled
On the other, some of those kids (speaking nj ghetto) literally have no other way to eat feed their siblings buy school and winter clothes etc... there's no jobs in a "first" world post industrial revolution city (paterson)
These kids have the worst schools the least attentive teachers harshest environments to survive in...
It's a perpetual cycle of corner hustling jail more serious crimes gang affiliations and beefs
Every morning I stop to get dominican soup and rice and drive by elementary school aged children walking alongside junkys vagabundos and corner hustlers
There's helicopters Dea homeland security fbi task forces sherriffs DTs etc...
It's over my head what These communities need
Just last Friday a white girl offered a 10$ blowjob while I was getting gas
I just throw them 5 or 10 bills and say stay warm tonight, thats enough for a little relief from withdrawal
Also they're the best besides dealers to ask how hot the block is where it's safe and where not to cop, but I'm only a weed guy now so I'm alright
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Re: Do you guys think drugs like heroin should be allowed to be sold in dispensaries? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#27579613 - 12/13/21 07:00 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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"Do supervised injection sites bring crime and disorder? Advocates and residents disagree
What little research exists on drug injection sites suggests they don’t cause an increase in serious crime. " -------- Property crime is crime. The only opinion that matters is the residents not "advocates". And certainly not someone who doesn't live here. If you care so much you should buy the house next door to the supervised injection site, if you ever actually get a job. I fucking live near the shooting gallery in calgary, I see it daily. I hear stories from victims, every single day in my job. But since you seem to need published reports:
https://calgary.citynews.ca/2019/09/12/crime-continues-to-climb-outside-sheldon-chumir-report/
https://globalnews.ca/news/7900839/calgary-sheldon-chumir-supervised-consumption-site-relocation/
https://www.thestar.com/calgary/2019/01/29/crime-and-disorder-up-near-sheldon-m-chumir-supervised-consumption-site-report.html
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"When Vancouver opened its first injection site, the community raised similar concerns. However, University of British Columbia researchers found there were no increases in drug trafficking, assaults or robberies, and a slight decline in vehicle thefts in the neighbourhood, according to a 2006 study."
Main and hastings is an open air drug market, its not exactly a model neighborhood, if dealing didn't go up its only because it was an epidemic before. People there stopped reporting crime. All the property crime in lower mainland is junkies. I gave up when i lived in vancouver and left my car unlocked because i got sick of fixing the smashed windows, and i stopped reporting it too. Your insurance goes up when you report it. The people getting robbed and assaulted are in the drug trade but the idea the neighborhood is peaceful is insane. They have a fucking stolen goods flea market there now. Crime in the DTES is fully entrenched as part of the neighborhood now. You can only say its not by cherry picking stats from papers written by grad students with an agenda.
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viraldrome said: The only issue this will address is OD's. Every other problem these people have will not go away or be made worse.
Assuming you're correct about every other problem (something I doubt), shouldn't addressing the overdose crisis be a top priority? Drug overdoses are now the leading cause of death for people aged 19 to 39 in BC."
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I don't care about dead junkies, but name one thing about their lives that enabling them improves. Did it get them jobs/housing? Nope it stood in the way of that. Did it improve their health (physical or mental?) I would say it hurt both of those too. All it does it is keep them in the parasitic social work system that benefits the social work industry. You can prevent OD's with volumetric dosing anyway, there is no need for a nurse to stand by with narcan. people should deal with the consequences of their lifestyle choices themselves not the taxpayers.
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viraldrome said: There is a safe supply program in BC and the news interviewed a junkie who said they were giving him drugs worth hundreds of dollars so he sold/traded them and bought fentanyl. Flooding the streets with high quality opiods will get even more people hooked.
Not exactly as you remember it,
B.C.'s safer supply program needs more choice, say drug users and advocates And while the hydromorphone works for some people who use drugs, it doesn't work for Watchmen. What she really wants and needs is fentanyl. So what Watchmen does most often is take the hydromorphone pills and sell them for about $20. She then buys fentanyl on the street. With six people dying on average every day in the opioid crisis and B.C. on track to record more than 2,000 deaths this year alone, this is the very scenario that the safer supply program is designed to avoid. [...] Drury said "The fix for all of this is to have free, prescribed, clean fentanyl, either for injection or with the patch."
The junkie i saw was a guy.
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Re: Do you guys think drugs like heroin should be allowed to be sold in dispensaries? [Re: viraldrome] 1
#27579927 - 12/13/21 11:41 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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The only opinion that matters is the one of evidence-based policy. Harm reduction measures have a growing body of supporting research, whereas criminalization and ostracization has a century of failure. We shouldn't allow anecdotal experiences of people heavily biased against "junkies" to dictate policy. I'm glad that, slowly but steadily, our society is coming to understand this. The Yukon got its first supervised injection site and safe supply program this fall.
Sure, this is a relatively new area of research, and things will need to adjust as we get more data. What services work best, which locations are most ideal - things like that. None of this is a reason to just accept the current status quo.
"I don't care about dead junkies, but name one thing about their lives that enabling them improves."
The fact that they aren't dead. The number of people who die from an overdose and go on to improve their lives is zero. The number of people who don't die from an overdose and go on to improve their lives is greater than zero.
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Re: Do you guys think drugs like heroin should be allowed to be sold in dispensaries? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#27579933 - 12/13/21 11:47 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just look at the effects of decriminalizing all drugs has had in Portugal. It's such a net positive that I am slightly bewildered it has not caught on in other European countries (I have no hope of the USA doing anything backed by rational decision making).
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Re: Do you guys think drugs like heroin should be allowed to be sold in dispensaries? [Re: Ice9]
#27580559 - 12/13/21 09:21 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I know quite a few people that if they ever had a chance to get into some of these drugs they would not have the self control to not fall into a deep addiction. Some people can manage self control, know their limits, and can make strong judgement calls on what their cutoff point/level is, but others can't. Think how many people struggle with one of the most basic narcotics, alcohol, and how many people can casually drink with no struggle of alcoholism. I'm worried for the select few (less than 10%) of the population that would be ruined.
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Re: Do you guys think drugs like heroin should be allowed to be sold in dispensaries? [Re: MegaCrouton]
#27581007 - 12/14/21 10:28 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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England was giving heroin to addicts at one point if you registered. Everything I read said the program was going well. People were changing from stealing and prostitution to regular jobs. I think Labour lost an election to the Torys and that was the end of it.
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