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Re: The Little Garden [Re: syncro]
    #28028613 - 11/01/22 08:15 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

It's going more on about minds are not separate. We don't have private thoughts? I don't think I hear others' generally, but also I feel everything I think is heard.

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⁸If you and your brother are joined, how could it be that you have private thoughts? ⁹And how could thoughts that enter into what but seems like yours alone have no effect at all on what is yours? ¹⁰If minds are joined, this is impossible.

3. No one can think but for himself, as God thinks not without His Son. ²Only were Both in bodies could this be. ³Nor could one mind think only for itself unless the body were the mind. ⁴For only bodies can be separate, and therefore unreal. (https://acim.org/acim/en/s/257#2:8-3:4 | T-21.VI.2:8–3:4)




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Re: The Little Garden [Re: syncro]
    #28028623 - 11/01/22 08:22 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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5. The body does not separate you from your brother, and if you think it does you are insane. ²But madness has a purpose, and believes it also has the means to make its purpose real. ³To see the body as a barrier between what reason tells you must be joined must be insane. ⁴Nor could you see it, if you heard the voice of reason. ⁵What can there be that stands between what is continuous? ⁶And if there is nothing in between, how can what enters part be kept away from other parts? ⁷Reason would tell you this. ⁸But think what you must recognize, if it be so. (https://acim.org/acim/en/s/257#5:1-8 | T-21.VI.5:1-8)




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Re: The Little Garden [Re: syncro]
    #28030771 - 11/03/22 07:38 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

It goes on to say that reason can be seen, and clarifies this is not a play on words; reason, the beginnings of vision, is a sense. That which is seen through the body's eyes being nothing at all, in the beginnings of sanity, then, is reason, vision, a sense beyond physical which we all have and know.


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: Forrester]
    #28031044 - 11/03/22 11:43 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

He says we will have true vision, only briefly before no vision/perception is required as truth is just known when separation ends and all is one.


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: Forrester]
    #28031167 - 11/03/22 01:19 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

"And here do reason and the ego separate, to go their separate ways" for "it is not the body's sight." 22.3


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: syncro]
    #28052598 - 11/15/22 12:13 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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⁶To see a brother in another body, separate from yours, is the expression of a wish to see a little part of him and sacrifice the rest. ⁷Look at the world, and you will see nothing attached to anything beyond itself. ⁸All seeming entities can come a little nearer, or go a little farther off, but cannot join.

2. The world you see is based on “sacrifice” of oneness. ²It is a picture of complete disunity and total lack of joining. ³Around each entity is built a wall so seeming solid that it looks as if what is inside can never reach without, and what is out can never reach and join with what is locked away within the wall. ⁴Each part must sacrifice the other part, to keep itself complete. ⁵For if they joined each one would lose its own identity, and by their separation are their selves maintained.

3. The little that the body fences off becomes the self, preserved through sacrifice of all the rest. ²And all the rest must lose this little part, remaining incomplete to keep its own identity intact. (https://acim.org/acim/en/s/295#1:6-3:2 | T-26.I.1:6–3:2)




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Re: The Little Garden [Re: Forrester]
    #28053039 - 11/15/22 03:52 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I was just watching a video where she was speaking of that a bit... Worth the time to watch:



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Re: The Little Garden [Re: Forrester]
    #28053159 - 11/15/22 04:58 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

A lot connecting in that. I'm listening to more talks.


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: syncro]
    #28053848 - 11/16/22 12:22 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I want to be whole..


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #28053937 - 11/16/22 03:18 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

If the desire is true and we would give it to others, then we need do nothing else (from the course). Sometimes lately I have been in tune with that, that I have actually done what is required, offering everything to be seen in the ways that make for it, and that if there is anything that I am holding back, the request to make me aware.

But the difficult part is actually doing nothing. Therefore zen guys with sticks and stuff. I find I am needing to face integrity to get myself quiet and actually meditate.

But the realization that it is done without doubt, you are liberated as sure as you would give it to someone. That gave some moments of the exquisite though I fell back into the habitual.


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: Forrester]
    #28054035 - 11/16/22 06:51 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Speaking of the habitual, how's your quitting of nicotine going?  I'm on day 3 and it's not getting any easier :lol:


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: Forrester]
    #28054064 - 11/16/22 07:37 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I had to switch to a pipe just to get over the routine of the slim white cylinder. Pipes are horribly messy and that helped.


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: Forrester]
    #28054095 - 11/16/22 08:04 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I've switched between roll your own's to chew to e-cig to a real vape, even did use a pipe for a while way back. Never matters what form it all becomes extremely habitual for me.  Gotta cold turkey all forms, I'm 42 and I see now as the point where I give it up for good or get stuck for life.  I wanna be free...


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: Forrester]
    #28054117 - 11/16/22 08:32 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Pipes best IMO. You gotta remove the filter and work at unclogging the thing and occasionally inhaling a lump of tar.


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: Buster_Brown] * 1
    #28054123 - 11/16/22 08:34 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I'm on day 14 I believe and still going! :crankey:

I was SO close to breaking yesterday - the lead was actually to get high. The two week mark I think is a pattern I've been running for a while. And then of course, if I get high, I'm going to do nicotine. But it held out, and I did practice this morning and earned my worthiness sticker. :crazy2:


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: syncro]
    #28054176 - 11/16/22 09:07 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I think I remember reading about two weeks off of nicotine is an important time. Horrible thing to quit. But two weeks may be a good break out point. I'm thinking it should get easier especially if doing other things that are healthy.


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: syncro]
    #28054184 - 11/16/22 09:11 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

It reminds me of the story of Gandhi involving two weeks. A woman asked Gandhi to tell her child to stop eating sugar. He said come back in two weeks. Then they returned and he advised the child. The woman asked why the two weeks, and he said he had to quit eating sugar himself. So two weeks is a standard of legitimate quitting of something.


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: Forrester]
    #28055612 - 11/17/22 03:59 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Awesome!  I got a ways to go but I'll hold out for that :smile:


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: Forrester]
    #28058024 - 11/18/22 10:29 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

An interesting concept that this creation is only a memory. IIRC there is similar in the Maharamayana.

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³Only in the past,—an ancient past, too short to make a world in answer to creation,—did this world appear to rise. ⁴So very long ago, for such a tiny interval of time, that not one note in Heaven’s song was missed. ⁵Yet in each unforgiving act or thought, in every judgment and in all belief in sin, is that one instant still called back, as if it could be made again in time. ⁶You keep an ancient memory before your eyes. ⁷And he who lives in memories alone is unaware of where he is. (https://acim.org/acim/en/s/299#5:1-7 | T-26.V.5:1-7)




Words are somewhat redefined in this course. Sin means seeing others as in bodies, essentially. Not that the body is bad in itself. The body does nothing without mind. But sin is insubstantial because it is believing in nothing, forgivable because there is nothing to forgive. Yet it is an ally of the ego, the mindset of separation. Sin, as well as the terms, attack, murder, and so on in the course are the same thing - seeing fellow souls as bodies. My interpretations, except the sin insubstantial because it is nothing which I think is close to verbatim.

But if all is forgiven because there is nothing to forgive in reality, what of better and worse people, actions in this world? I had to struggle to offer darkness in that sense to the Spirit. Justice, again is redefined, as it is only and in all cases the infinite love and freedom.

So we can hear the response, what about evil people and actions here? Where we meet our actions karmically must be in the realm of ego then, or maya, which makes sense.

Other paths make God in the strictest sense, the law of karma. Then compassion, mitigation comes through approach, following teachings, love, ... which would not be inconsistent because as well those teachings consider the Godhead as not having much to do with this world. Separation, karma, are inconceivable in reality.


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: syncro]
    #28058916 - 11/18/22 07:28 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

It tries to save you from the perils of having a body..

But by the end of the course you realize the body is only made for joy..


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