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Re: The Little Garden [Re: syncro]
    #27871576 - 07/21/22 01:09 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Haha, quite simply but perfectly said! :smile:


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: Forrester]
    #27872656 - 07/22/22 09:50 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

It says that the Kingdom is being.

Then a lesson is to be vigilant only for the Kingdom, or then, be vigilant only for being.

I was asking, as an affirmative effort, okay, what is not being? What is not being?

In considering a person, he is a being. To say that implies he is all these other things that are not being, the body, the obligatory life things; he is caged in the elements.

But it's not he is a being, but he is being. It became powerful within, the healing aspect, being as a proactive visionary thing, like prana. And I thought that was glimpsing creating as opposed to making (illusions).

So, the last thing being is, is passive. Being is life force, dynamic. I suppose it could be passive. I mean, in oneness with itself, on what would it need to act? But that is what we are, the Kingdom, only being.


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: Forrester]
    #27881592 - 07/29/22 10:42 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I once had a mushroom trip back in 2014 that actually kind of reminds me of this post. I call it the moment I was "awakened". I was on the beach when it happened, alone, and it was the most beautiful moment of my life. I wish I could share a video clip of what was going on through my mind that day and post that lol ...I was going through a tough time with someone. I actually tripped with this person before the experience happened...I was working nights as a waitress at a diner restaurant and got off work at like 5a.m . Got to his house and we ate a 8th of shrooms and headed to the beach...I really wish I knew what they were...anyways shit was super weird and awkward and we get there and pretty much walked around for 10 minutes and I guess we decided to leave...so it's probably like 7-8 a.m at this point, I drop him off and something told me to drive back out to the beach ..so I did...now in retrospect I probably shouldn't had been driving of course to begin with and I am sure there are a lot of people who would love to let me have it for doing it but I did and don't plan on doing it again...anyways on the way to the beach i am thinking about the person and all the shit we been through and all sorts of other crap I had going on and just broke down crying.. I get to the beach and like sucked it all up, acted like I was fine...I walk down the pathway to get to the sand and ocean and hear this weird trumpet sound off in the distance, not sure what it was about but I am feeling down and started feeling like I was walking to my death as i was walking to the ocean...not that I was planning on killing myself, it was just a weird feeling that, that was what I was doing (which now i have learned was ego death) I get to the edge of where the sand and ocean meet and I sit down and begin to calm down. I look around at everyone having fun, wishing to be a part of everyone else's fun lol and then something with the clouds and the sun caught my attention. I am gazing out to the ocean and the sun and clouds were acting super weird with the waves and all the sudden I feel this presence within the waves and sun itself. Then a voice in my head. A male voice at that speaks to me. Not like a person standing next to me talking but almost like I was being channeled . I can't say word for word everything that this voice had said other than 3 things "Be kind to people, animals, and the Earth" a few other personal things I'd rather not share, and even cussed lol. Told me to "get my ass home" lol but what was interesting was I felt the presence leave with the waves the same way the presence came in with them. It's weird because I know how the water works..you got your high tide and your low tide and depending on the tide the current will pull the waves certain ways, well happening while tides are switching, I can understand...however tides don't shift 2 times in that close period of time. It was very weird, and just the presence alone like I cannot describe it other than feeling super calm and peaceful and pure love. Everything felt so real and I don't care who believes me or not on that one. I am sure some will argue and say I was just hallucinating of course but to me this was much more than just "tripping balls" this is something that had changed my life for the better and made me want to be a better person and taught me what having true faith really is about. I am not a religious person. My dad's family is catholic and so I grew up catholic but as I got older became more agnostic than anything. Not too long after that experience is when I started getting drawn into spirituality and is where I stand. I feel like I was purposely shown that the existence of a higher power truly does exist and maybe I am supposed to be helping spread the truth. The only problem, is the same problem that has been going on for centuries, not everyone believes or they think it's dumb to believe. I am not someone who likes to push my beliefs on people because I do not like it when people do it to me but I do still feel it is my duty to spread his word. So everyone reading let's please 🙏 "Be kind to people, be kind to animals, and be kind to the Earth"... Forrester I am sorry if this is obnoxiously long and a little off topic. It was just some of the things you were saying that reminded me of this experience and idk if would say this is one of the synchronicity moments. It's just interesting reading you mentioning God, and the sun, and the ripples. I can't say God actually entered my fence but definitely got in my crown hahha


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: Ayymannduhh]
    #27881660 - 07/29/22 12:22 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Do you have any thoughts about who you feel like the presence that spoke to you was?  Like God, spirit guide, higher self, etc? 
Sounds like it had a good effect on you though, interesting the ways in which a helper of whatever sort can assist in changing your life path or outlook so drastically.


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: Forrester]
    #27881779 - 07/29/22 01:58 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I FEEL like it was God lol definitely not my higher self.. I feel like my higher selfs voice is a lot like my egos, just nicer lol ..spirit guide??? Could have been, it was a males voice.. I didn't FEEL like it was a spirit guide though, which I know doesn't say much because I don't know what a spirit guide would sound like if he or she were talking to me. The presence to me just FELT like something more to me. Powerful but peaceful, I wasn't afraid at all. Confused. I actually had the advantage of speaking to a "shaman" one time about it and she didn't agree or disagree with me on it. She didn't say God, she kept saying higher power. I choose to say God because the God I have always heard of, of course if the highest power, and to me it would take some pretty high power to be able to come through to a person like that. I feel like the experience really saved me and I wish this sort of thing happened more often to people, but I guess that is where the mystery stays.


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: Forrester]
    #27904801 - 08/15/22 07:49 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Again, which thread? - About the considerations of Shankara in the veiling power and staying power in the qualities, these of ego or ignorance, but also in the teachings in the course around, and somewhat of a mystery to me, success in the return being so much about others, a mystery because we really can seem so isolated in our inner lives.

I thought, what if we were really far more, directly connected with others in being that is apparent? It is what the course drives.

Considering the truth of this really seemed to awaken an inner acknowledgement, and if it is true, what an opportunity and responsibility it presents - what fuel it provides to be in our top form, transmitting as it were, and in that, so powerfully bringing it to ourselves.

The opposite polarity of the veil here being that we are actually very much connected, that of the staying power of the veiling countered and replaced by the great reward of synergy of acting in that light.


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: syncro]
    #27910619 - 08/20/22 01:51 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I was thinking the other day about how social norms and sexuality limit love between whatever we are..  I have always recognized the way our miserable life span warps it and makes it pure pain since my first tastes of it. but this was a distinct realization.. It's only possible to see it briefly beyond the haze of the franticness of sexual relationship.


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: syncro]
    #27935167 - 09/05/22 10:46 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

"You cannot behold the world and know God."

"No one created by God can find joy in anything except the eternal; not because he is deprived of anything else, but because nothing else is worthy of him."

Sometimes that will comes, natural in the mind that is not in any other way.


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: Forrester]
    #27935175 - 09/05/22 10:57 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

That 2nd quote I like a lot because it seems so true, especially when you remember the other passages about how nothing that isn't eternal is real in any way; hence the dream analogy.

The first one I find difficult.  How does one work on "not beholding the world".  That's the part I've always struggled with.


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: Forrester]
    #27935420 - 09/05/22 01:43 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I think it can happen in whatever ways the outer senses can fade when in that intention, or spontaneously, as a result of either contemplative practice, use of psychs, absorption, the "estrangement" to the senses and their objects, ...

I think it is identical with the turiya (being), or is reflected in the subtle sheaths that may still be obscurations, though are nevertheless clearer reflections, perhaps like what is said as correct perception, but still not in knowledge that is unchanging.

Stillness alone I think can fade the senses in that way. As Vasistha says, the world appearance arises with movement of thought in consciousness, and together they cease.

The course equates joy, freedom, wholeness. Perhaps in true perception of wholeness, or the others, the world is fading.


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: syncro]
    #27947638 - 09/12/22 11:37 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Quote:

wabbey said:
"The soul loves to meditate, for in contact with the Spirit lies its greatest joy. If, then you experience mental resistance during meditation, remember that reluctance to meditate comes from the ego; it doesn't belong to the soul."
- Sri Paramahansa Yogananda:psychsplit::heartpump::sunny:




I was trying a reply here earlier on something around this. The above is recent from the quotes thread.

The thing about the course, in a kind of recognition, a very simple acceptance fostered tends to slowly reveal a welcoming of superior will, as well our own, aligned with the only real will.


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: syncro]
    #27947642 - 09/12/22 11:43 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

It's almost humorous looking back on it - the course says flat out we do not know what we want, and we cannot possibly find it out from the ego. And that what we want is the simple and obvious, that spirit nature that has no inkling of confusion.


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: Forrester] * 1
    #27949917 - 09/14/22 03:59 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Confusion or desire, seems similar to Buddhism in that regard.

Realizing we do not know what will make us happy can be applied to every day life as well.  I quit my job of 12 years and took a job I didn't ever imagine I could even do, much less would enjoy, because there were many synchronicities and the universe seemed to be leading me there, and I'm the happiest I've ever been.  Following the "holy spirit" as he refers to it, and obstacles do seem to be consistently cleared from my path and everything seems to fall into place.


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: Forrester]
    #27953122 - 09/16/22 04:28 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

"You do not know your creations simply because you would decide against them as long as your mind is split, and to attack what you have created is impossible. ²But remember that _it is as impossible for God._ ³The law of creation is that you love your creations as yourself, because they are part of you."

Going again to what possibly our authentic creations are, conjecturing, and to the Yogananda quote, every bit of those kinds of efforts involve the creating, the study, contemplations, and sadhanas, the intents for the welfare of others and proper sight; these manifest powerfully in the subtle, the fruits of which wait for us, and even here we can tend to see the natures as we turn.


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    #27953226 - 09/16/22 05:23 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

"You will remember everything the instant you desire it wholly, for if to desire wholly is to create, you will have willed away the separation, returning your mind simultaneously to your Creator and your creations. ²Knowing Them you will have no wish to sleep, but only the desire to waken and be glad. ³Dreams will be impossible because you will want only truth, and being at last your will, it will be yours."


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    #27976597 - 10/01/22 12:32 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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11. VII. The Condition of Reality

1. The world as you perceive it cannot have been created by the Father, for the world is not as you see it. ²God created only the eternal, and everything you see is perishable. ³Therefore, there must be another world that you do not see. ⁴The Bible speaks of a new Heaven and a new earth, yet this cannot be literally true, for the eternal are not re-created. ⁵To perceive anew is merely to perceive again, implying that before, or in the interval between, you were not perceiving at all. ⁶What, then, is the world that awaits your perception when you see it?

2. Every loving thought that the Son of God ever had is eternal. ²The loving thoughts his mind perceives in this world are the world’s only reality. ³They are still perceptions, because he still believes that he is separate. ⁴Yet they are eternal because they are loving. ⁵And being loving they are like the Father, and therefore cannot die. ⁶The real world can actually be perceived. ⁷All that is necessary is a willingness to perceive nothing else. ⁸For if you perceive both good and evil, you are accepting both the false and the true and making no distinction between them.

3. The ego may see some good, but never only good. ²That is why its perceptions are so variable. ³It does not reject goodness entirely, for that you could not accept. ⁴But it always adds something that is not real to the real, thus confusing illusion and reality. ⁵For perceptions cannot be partly true. ⁶If you believe in truth and illusion, you cannot tell which is true. ⁷To establish your personal autonomy you tried to create unlike your Father, believing that what you made is capable of being unlike Him. ⁸Yet everything true is like Him. ⁹Perceiving only the real world will lead you to the real Heaven, because it will make you capable of understanding it.

4. The perception of goodness is not knowledge, but the denial of the opposite of goodness enables you to recognize a condition in which opposites do not exist. ²And this is the condition of knowledge. ³Without this awareness you have not met its conditions, and until you do you will not know it is yours already. ⁴You have made many ideas that you have placed between yourself and your Creator, and these beliefs are the world as you perceive it. ⁵Truth is not absent here, but it is obscure. ⁶You do not know the difference between what you have made and what God created, and so you do not know the difference between what you have made and what you have created. ⁷To believe that you can perceive the real world is to believe that you can know yourself. ⁸You can know God because it is His Will to be known. ⁹The real world is all that the Holy Spirit has saved for you out of what you have made, and to perceive only this is salvation, because it is the recognition that reality is only what is true. (https://acim.org/acim/en/s/152#1:1-4:9 | T-11.VII.1:1–4:9)




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Re: The Little Garden [Re: syncro]
    #27986011 - 10/07/22 08:19 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

It hasn't been obvious to me - guilt doesn't seem to stand out so much among binding factors like, what, desire, illusoriness, obscuration, but guilt is driven in the course as primary. It is deeply seated, a largely hidden instrument of the ego. Release here is to say, to everyone, "you are guiltless; you are guiltless." This is said to be our only function on earth in reality. Guilt binds the separation; its release, the atonement.

I found in the waking state that guilt hides itself in the fact that we expect salvation here, in everything we do and plan, seeking refuge. With just a gentle acknowledgement of not seeking salvation here, like in drug use, co-dependence, anything, it was like a window was opened. Just enjoying things but not expecting something this world cannot provide. Guilt is directly associated with suffering in that aspect, guilt for seeking salvation here when salvation or freedom in reality is not needed as it is ours by origin.

Beyond typically identifiable dynamics, guilt seems imbeded. We enter the waking state often with a grumpy face (I do), not even knowing why, saying wtf, this sucks. Why? We guilt ourselves for the investment. I have no other choice but to buy whatever the world is giving under default charge of the ego. The chainlock is guilt and is easily picked in seeing we need not make such an investment. 

To say I am, you are, not guilty, is the same as admitting misunderstanding of ourselves in this world under the ego, and releasing it. It is the same as saying neti neti, not this, or the same as a liberating prayer, or that of a namaha mantra, not me, not mine. It is the same in effect as releasing obscurations and unhealthy desire. You are guiltless. I've been using it as somewhat of a mantra in the last couple of days, "guiltless, guiltess, ..." I was thinking that its use is as good as any psychedelic, for it does leave the condition of being able to see the finer worlds.


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: Forrester]
    #27986378 - 10/07/22 12:53 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Now that is an interesting take on guilt esp as it pertains to not seeking salvation here where it cannot be found, therefore strengthening the idea of separation. I had not quite thought of it that way.


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    #27986727 - 10/07/22 05:16 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

It seems to me that often when is mentioned, attack, condemnation and the like it is referring to any notion of ourselves or others being confined to these bodies as allied with the ego. The body's true function given here is communication which is attuned to its use for correction. Further, sharing and communication, teaching, have been equated with thought, so we teach what we are, what we think.

Chapter 13 goes more into guilt. https://acim.org/acim/chapter-13/introduction/en/s/164

I'm looking for a passage that goes more directly into the nature of this world as essentially what sounded to me like a defense mechanism for the split mind.

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Chapter 13
The Guiltless World

Introduction

1. If you did not feel guilty you could not attack, for condemnation is the root of attack. ²It is the judgment of one mind by another as unworthy of love and deserving of punishment. ³But herein lies the split. ⁴For the mind that judges perceives itself as separate from the mind being judged, believing that by punishing another, it will escape punishment. ⁵All this is but the delusional attempt of the mind to deny itself, and escape the penalty of denial. ⁶It is not an attempt to relinquish denial, but to hold on to it. ⁷For it is guilt that has obscured the Father to you, and it is guilt that has driven you insane.

2. The acceptance of guilt into the mind of God’s Son was the beginning of the separation, as the acceptance of the Atonement is its end. ²The world you see is the delusional system of those made mad by guilt. ³Look carefully at this world, and you will realize that this is so. ⁴For this world is the symbol of punishment, and all the laws that seem to govern it are the laws of death. ⁵Children are born into it through pain and in pain. ⁶Their growth is attended by suffering, and they learn of sorrow and separation and death. ⁷Their minds seem to be trapped in their brain, and its powers to decline if their bodies are hurt. ⁸They seem to love, yet they desert and are deserted. ⁹They appear to lose what they love, perhaps the most insane belief of all. ¹⁰And their bodies wither and gasp and are laid in the ground, and are no more. ¹¹Not one of them but has thought that God is cruel.

3. If this were the real world, God would be cruel. ²For no Father could subject His children to this as the price of salvation and be loving. ³Love does not kill to save. ⁴If it did, attack would be salvation, and this is the ego’s interpretation, not God’s. ⁵Only the world of guilt could demand this, for only the guilty could conceive of it. ⁶Adam’s “sin” could have touched no one, had he not believed it was the Father Who drove him out of Paradise. ⁷For in that belief the knowledge of the Father was lost, since only those who do not understand Him could believe it.

4. This world is a picture of the crucifixion of God’s Son. ²And until you realize that God’s Son cannot be crucified, this is the world you will see. ³Yet you will not realize this until you accept the eternal fact that God’s Son is not guilty. ⁴He deserves only love because he has given only love. ⁵He cannot be condemned because he has never condemned. ⁶The Atonement is the final lesson he need learn, for it teaches him that, never having sinned, he has no need of salvation. (https://acim.org/acim/en/s/164#1:1-4:6 | T-13.in.1:1–4:6)




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Re: The Little Garden [Re: syncro]
    #27987654 - 10/08/22 07:37 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

It reminds me of Nisargadatta speaking of his world having very little to do with the (questioner's) world, though they are visiting in the same room.


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