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Re: The Little Garden [Re: Forrester] * 1
    #27647782 - 02/05/22 11:56 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Ask Ramana Maharshi to give you his Reality (in your mind, in your meditations). It is a wonderful achievement. It will light all your darknesses. :smile:


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: psilocybinmansions]
    #27647898 - 02/06/22 05:01 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I'm actually reading a rather large tome about his teachings right now, it's a good one. Most of what he taught (in such a very different language such a long time ago) seems to go right along with what is taught in the course. Truth never does change but it's interesting to read how he described things, only wish I could read and understand Tamil myself (his native language) rather than a translation.


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: Forrester]
    #27674727 - 02/26/22 07:33 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I'm reading in the course about ego and the conflict, trying to find hints at something concrete to grasp around these terms, or ego. An emphasis is choosing which side holds reality as ego works to convince us that it is real, for the reality of the ideal, or the teacher, also means we are no less real. This is termed knowledge. Knowledge is, then, that we are real as That, and can have no compromise.

Vigilance to disengage. But I argue, from what, exactly? Is it like the Buddha's Fire Sermon, utter destruction of interest in the five senses and their objects? These are also seen as the ten heads of the demon, Ravana. But also it is done interacting in this world, in service and proper sight, healing. The body, then, a servant who does not dictate to the master.


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: syncro]
    #27675407 - 02/27/22 11:49 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Vigilance to disengage. But I argue, from what, exactly? Is it like the Buddha's Fire Sermon, utter destruction of interest in the five senses and their objects? These are also seen as the ten heads of the demon, Ravana. But also it is done interacting in this world, in service and proper sight, healing. The body, then, a servant who does not dictate to the master.




That is basically the way i take it. That none of the senses are to be trusted as they are interpreted through perception, which is not truth.  Only the holy spirit can see truly and is there to guide as we ask, and as we continue to make the choice between the holy spirit and the ego we can find the proper path. 

By the way I prefer to think of the holy spirit more as an inner intuition. Sounds less biblical... But I think it's the same thing.


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: Forrester]
    #27790489 - 05/24/22 09:50 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Found a clue on the beyond perception. "It is not a continuum, nor is it understood by being compared to an opposite." It helps me as I was hung up on whether it need be a continuum, or uniform. Odd though. One, yet not a continuum? Spirit may not be a continuum, but is there not an aspect of continuity? If it's all the same thing, how can it not be continuous? I guess there can be an essential continuity, but a continuum need not be a way to describe the beyond perception.

"It cannot be emphasized too often that correcting perception is merely a temporary expedient. ²It is necessary only because misperception is a block to knowledge, while accurate perception is a steppingstone towards it. ³The whole value of right perception lies in the inevitable realization that _all_ perception is unnecessary. ⁴This removes the block entirely. ⁵You may ask how this is possible as long as you appear to be living in this world. ⁶That is a reasonable question. ⁷You must be careful, however, that you really understand it. ⁸Who is the “you” who are living in this world? ⁹Spirit is immortal, and immortality is a constant state. ¹⁰It is as true now as it ever was or ever will be, because it implies no change at all. ¹¹It is not a continuum, nor is it understood by being compared to an opposite. ¹²Knowledge never involves comparisons." (https://acim.org/acim/en/s/81#11:1-11 | T-4.II.11:1-11)"


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: syncro]
    #27790842 - 05/24/22 04:17 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

I think by explaining that the ultimate reality is not a continuum he is referring to the non-existence of time, the eternal doesn't continue because it never "was" it just is.


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: Forrester]
    #27790882 - 05/24/22 04:55 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Yes, that's a helpful reminder. It doesn't seem that time was related to what I was trying to settle, but it gives the effect nevertheless.


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: syncro]
    #27790890 - 05/24/22 05:07 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Bringing peace about it, contemplating being beyond time.


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: syncro]
    #27791500 - 05/25/22 01:31 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

It is so difficult to even fathom existence outside of time...


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: Forrester]
    #27791565 - 05/25/22 02:15 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

The two ways out of time..

1. The perfect soul which is permanently here in a perfect moment/instant..with nothing else.

2. The dissolving of all forms of self the 32nd path of anatman. Of not. Of nothing.


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #27791568 - 05/25/22 02:16 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Freon..

The perfect conjecture of the next holy instant!


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: Forrester]
    #27791784 - 05/25/22 05:06 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

I think anything without boundaries is without time because without distance defined. Or where there is no difference of significance, there is not time. Maybe time is just a concern.


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: syncro]
    #27868765 - 07/19/22 11:02 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

"Now you must learn that only infinite patience produces immediate effects. ²This is the way in which time is exchanged for eternity."


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: syncro]
    #27868779 - 07/19/22 11:22 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

"Infinite patience calls upon infinite love, and by producing results now it renders time unnecessary."


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: syncro]
    #27868916 - 07/19/22 01:06 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Those are some great quotes I had forgotten about!  As he often alludes to, once time is no longer needed we can allow it to cease to exist for us.


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: Forrester]
    #27869919 - 07/20/22 06:45 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

from yesterday-

There has been a steadiness in it for me today, the holding of it by holding out. The ego can tend to rest in some lesser thing, as if there is no where else to be, but then better mind's release of it, to look to the Kingdom, or the wide open. Holding out is in a sense holding nothing, therefore is unobscured. Holding out completely for the beloved is holding nothing else, and the vastness is seen.

Who would have thought waiting is having? If really waiting, the vicissitudes at the core are stopped, looking only to That. The book says giving is having. Perhaps this kind of waiting is giving, openness, the steadfast gaze to the infinitude, like Nandi the bull, in undisturbed oneness with the Shiva.


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: syncro]
    #27869974 - 07/20/22 07:27 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Indeed it is true that the egos idea of giving tells us we must lose something in order to give to someone else, where in reality we only gain by giving to others.


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: Forrester]
    #27870676 - 07/20/22 05:38 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

"Rather, teach your own perfect immunity."

For me it takes reminding that the teachings do not apply to something destructible or able to destroy like the body. Such a thing cannot be real, as in other teachings, that which does not last cannot be real.

This is hard core no body.

"How else can you find joy in a joyless place except by realizing that you are not there? ²You cannot be anywhere God did not put you, and God created you as part of Him."

"It is completely unalterable. ⁵It is total inclusion. ⁶You cannot change it now or ever. ⁷It is forever true. ⁸It is not a belief, but a Fact."


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: syncro]
    #27871124 - 07/21/22 02:56 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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For me it takes reminding that the teachings to not apply to something destructible or able to destroy like the body. Such a thing cannot be real, as in other teachings, that which does not last cannot be real.





So true yet so difficult to live one's life without worry of protecting the body, having food, shelter, sustanence, etc.  It's nearly all the ego would have us do, especially in troubling times like we live in. I guess that's where all the talk of faith comes in. The choice to not believe in the illusion is what keeps us safe from it (there's some quotes on that but I can't find em).


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Re: The Little Garden [Re: Forrester]
    #27871385 - 07/21/22 10:22 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I thought of Valmiki, in the early verses of Vasistha's Yoga, putting it quite simply.

"This world-appearance is a confusion, even as the blueness of the sky is an optical illusion. I think it is better not to let the mind dwell on it, but to ignore it."

:smile:


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