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Are all people created equal?
    #2757699 - 06/02/04 07:17 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

It occurred to me recently that I had always considered people to be equal, yet have no real foundation for this belief. Some people are stronger than others, some are smarter, some are better-looking, some are more creative, more talented, nicer, happier, etc. There also doesn't seem to be any reason to believe that all people make up for their lack of one attribute with another. The fact is that some people are just losers with nothing going for them. So is this idea which our founding fathers considered to be self-evident actually true? Are we all created equal? Or are some just better than others?


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Re: Are all people created equal? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2757708 - 06/02/04 07:21 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I bet if you lined up all six billion people, they would look pretty similar...and their intelligence differences wouldn't mean a lot in a state of total anarchy.

I think that nobody is strong, smart, pretty enough to have any REAL advantage. People can always gang up...

Oh yeah, everybody dies too, so we're all equal!


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Re: Are all people created equal? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2757719 - 06/02/04 07:23 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Well, humans are supposed to be less biologically diverse than most other animals.

People being equal does not mean everybody has to be exactly the same. Usually when people say that everybody is created equal they are using it in a political sense...


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Re: Are all people created equal? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2757737 - 06/02/04 07:28 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

how about, each of us is unique? look at the qualities that make us individuals.

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The fact is that some people are just losers with nothing going for them.


really? thats nice :sun:


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Re: Are all people created equal? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2757889 - 06/02/04 08:08 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I know this is a lame analogy, but:

I try to look at it kind of like Street Fighter characters. Remember that video game Street Fighter? All the characters were different but equal. They all had their own unique strengths and weaknesses. Like the big strong guys were usually slow as fuck, and the fast guys had really weak hits.

Have you ever made a character in a role playing game? They all work differently, but the ones I like the best are the ones where you get a certain amount of points to spend on your character. You can allocate them all accross the skill list or you can focus them all on a few skills. This system can produce a huge variety of different charcters which are all technically equal, but distinctly different.


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Re: Are all people created equal? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2757904 - 06/02/04 08:10 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Some people may be better at other people in many things, and so forth... but that doesn't make them greater than them nor is anybody else greater than anybody else.

.. In my humble opinion.



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Re: Are all people created equal? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2757927 - 06/02/04 08:17 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

In issues of nature or nuture.. i do not think all people are equal. How can that be? Not in intelligence, or strength, etc.. Diversity is not equality. Surely an artist wouldn't make a good chemical engineer or vice versa. You might excel in one area, but there's always someone better. And you might fail in comparrison to many others in a plethora of other areas.

Now, we are all human. We all require the same things to survive. We deserve to be treated equally and be given equal freedoms and rights.


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Re: Are all people created equal? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2758003 - 06/02/04 08:49 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

i think of it this way. the law doesn't mean we are all the same but should be TREATED the same.... if you are a HUMAN then you get the right to be treated like every other HUMAN. it doesn't matter if you are retarded or the president, both have their own specific rights because they are human.

i could give less of a fuck if you could fly, you still have the same rights as me. so the forefathers weren't basing it on looks, it was in the fact of their meer existance.


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Re: Are all people created equal? [Re: PuZuZu]
    #2758081 - 06/02/04 09:17 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

it doesn't matter if you are retarded or the president

Nice setup. That one is too ez for me to comment on.


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Re: Are all people created equal? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2758152 - 06/02/04 09:43 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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I know this is a lame analogy, but:

I try to look at it kind of like Street Fighter characters. Remember that video game Street Fighter? All the characters were different but equal. They all had their own unique strengths and weaknesses. Like the big strong guys were usually slow as fuck, and the fast guys had really weak hits.

Have you ever made a character in a role playing game? They all work differently, but the ones I like the best are the ones where you get a certain amount of points to spend on your character. You can allocate them all accross the skill list or you can focus them all on a few skills. This system can produce a huge variety of different charcters which are all technically equal, but distinctly different.



But how do you know it's like that? There could be people who don't have all the skill points. There may be some people who are smarter, stronger, faster, AND more talented than others.


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Re: Are all people created equal? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2758164 - 06/02/04 09:46 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

probably.

I'm just trying to be optimistic.


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Re: Are all people created equal? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2758192 - 06/02/04 09:54 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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DoctorJ said:
I'm just trying to be optimistic.



Are you feeling alright?


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Re: Are all people created equal? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2758230 - 06/02/04 10:04 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I will always be an optimist at heart

its experience that makes me behave pessimisticly.


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Re: Are all people created equal? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2758265 - 06/02/04 10:13 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I think that all in all it is fairly obvious that in a physical / mental substantive sense, we are definitely not all 'created' equal. As you pointed out there are massive amounts of differences between people.

But correct me if im wrong, I think what is generally meant by the statement 'we are all created equal' , is that we are all created worthy of Equal Consideration inspite of whatever physical or mental differences exist.

But that does lead into the next problem, are we all worthy of equal consideration on our 'creation'? It doesnt always seem obvious to me that we are, infact I can concieve of lots of situations where it could even be beneficial to an individual that they were given inequal consideration right from day 1.

And then there is the problem of equal consideration in what sense? Equal before the Law? Equal opportunities to be employed? Equal in the sense of commonly accepted human rights?? Unfortunately just another philosophical problem, without a concrete answer.

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Re: Are all people created equal? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2758272 - 06/02/04 10:14 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I'm as pathetic as the next man.


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Re: Are all people created equal? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2758308 - 06/02/04 10:22 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

All people are not created equal. We belong to nature after all. Is nature created equal? No. Therefore, by logic, we are not created equal either.

Now importance, thats another issue. What is considered to be desirable is governed by society.


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Re: Are all people created equal? [Re: daba]
    #2758391 - 06/02/04 10:42 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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What is considered to be desirable is governed by society.



Not entirely. A lot of it comes from instinct, too.


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Re: Are all people created equal? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2758447 - 06/02/04 10:53 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

of course all people aren't equal...

I weigh over two hundred pounds...

So therefore I am more than any two 98 pound people...


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Re: Are all people created equal? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2758462 - 06/02/04 10:57 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

" The fact is that some people are just losers with nothing going for them"

does this mean they were created this way??  nah...they chose to be that way.

"Are we all created equal? Or are some just better than others? "

better at others in what?  how can you measure that?  how can't you? what makes one person better than the other to the point of mentional the founding fathers and their belief that everyone should have the right to persue happiness?    i know you didn't say that specifically, but I am.  :grin:


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Re: Are all people created equal? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2758760 - 06/02/04 11:47 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Equal? Depends on what the standards are.

I guess we all probably come from the same life source, so in that way we are all equal.




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