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Anyone still feel hopeful for this great country we call USA?
#27576874 - 12/11/21 03:27 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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rampant corruption, uncontrolled troll farms using social media to tear us apart, seems like tech industry is willingly let foreign influence dictate our future for their own short term gain. is there a way for us to weather this storm? or we are fucked?
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Re: Anyone still feel hopeful for this great country we call USA? [Re: MycoWeek] 2
#27576892 - 12/11/21 04:21 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Money corrupts and the idea that zero regulation is the best thing to do in all aspects of society is only wishful thinking. Those with the biggest pockets of money will take control of everything that suits their agenda regardless of the outcome for the rest of society. Add legalized corruption in the form of lobbying and you no longer have a free market but a market controlled by a few major players. It will not be sustainable in the long term but damage will occur.
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Re: Anyone still feel hopeful for this great country we call USA? [Re: VP123] 2
#27576899 - 12/11/21 04:37 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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As a whole America is a Very Optimistic country, Yes.
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Re: Anyone still feel hopeful for this great country we call USA? [Re: MycoWeek]
#27576960 - 12/11/21 06:45 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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MycoWeek said: rampant corruption, uncontrolled troll farms using social media to tear us apart, seems like tech industry is willingly let foreign influence dictate our future for their own short term gain. is there a way for us to weather this storm? or we are fucked?
Person on the Internet: lol your opinion sucks buddy
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Re: Anyone still feel hopeful for this great country we call USA? [Re: MycoWeek]
#27578739 - 12/12/21 01:36 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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MycoWeek said: rampant corruption, uncontrolled troll farms using social media to tear us apart, seems like tech industry is willingly let foreign influence dictate our future for their own short term gain. is there a way for us to weather this storm? or we are fucked?
How is the "tech industry is willingly let foreign influence dictate our (US) future?
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Re: Anyone still feel hopeful for this great country we call USA? [Re: qman] 1
#27578788 - 12/12/21 02:12 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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How is the "tech industry is willingly let foreign influence dictate our (US) future?
letting troll farms setting up account where their sole purpose is to divide the citizen of USA, and brainwash our youth to their ideology. They don't care of these people are making our citizens crazy, they only care about engagement on their platform, which brings in more ad revenue.
American citizens simply cannot do the same by making fun of Chinese or Russian government on their platform.
I cherish our 1st amendment, but the same right shouldn't be handed out to foreign influence who simply want to fuck with our democracy.
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Re: Anyone still feel hopeful for this great country we call USA? [Re: MycoWeek]
#27578829 - 12/12/21 02:54 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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MycoWeek said: American citizens simply cannot do the same by making fun of Chinese or Russian government on their platform.
Sure they can.
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MycoWeek said: I cherish our 1st amendment, but the same right shouldn't be handed out to foreign influence who simply want to fuck with our democracy.
Tech companies are not the US government, and so the 1st amendment doesn't apply.
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Re: Anyone still feel hopeful for this great country we call USA? [Re: Kryptos] 1
#27578844 - 12/12/21 03:12 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Kryptos said:
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MycoWeek said: American citizens simply cannot do the same by making fun of Chinese or Russian government on their platform.
Sure they can.
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MycoWeek said: I cherish our 1st amendment, but the same right shouldn't be handed out to foreign influence who simply want to fuck with our democracy.
Tech companies are not the US government, and so the 1st amendment doesn't apply.
You are absolutely wrong by saying Americans can set up social media account in china and blast CCP with it, their citizens can't even do it. Not too sure the case with Russia, but I am sure they don't enjoy the same 1st amendment protection we have.
Tech companies are not the government, but they are still protected by 1st amendment where no restriction should be applied to their platform. Having said that, I am OK where Americans can freely blast their government all they want to other Americans on social media platforms, but social media need to start restricting foreign sources from abusing our constitution.
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Re: Anyone still feel hopeful for this great country we call USA? [Re: MycoWeek] 2
#27578906 - 12/12/21 04:25 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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MycoWeek said:
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qman said:
How is the "tech industry is willingly let foreign influence dictate our (US) future?
letting troll farms setting up account where their sole purpose is to divide the citizen of USA, and brainwash our youth to their ideology. They don't care of these people are making our citizens crazy, they only care about engagement on their platform, which brings in more ad revenue.
American citizens simply cannot do the same by making fun of Chinese or Russian government on their platform.
I cherish our 1st amendment, but the same right shouldn't be handed out to foreign influence who simply want to fuck with our democracy.
In my opinion, the US population is already heavily divided and "troll farms" are the least of the reasons for that division. It's very convenient to blame foreigners or technology companies for the destruction of the US working class and the division that it brings.
Why does the MSM get a free ride for its efforts to divide the US working class?
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Re: Anyone still feel hopeful for this great country we call USA? [Re: qman] 1
#27579050 - 12/12/21 06:29 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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The country is definitely divided before social media become main stream, which is a good thing in someway where it remains diverse with fresh new ideas.
MSM is responsible for a lot of the divisiveness, but I firmly believe foreign influence is just cherry on the top.
this is not my original idea, I've heard it time and time again from former or current intelligence agents on podcast mentioning it as a new form of threat.
maybe I just can't admit the idea how fucked up this country is now, and I am using foreign influence as scape goat for our problems........
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Re: Anyone still feel hopeful for this great country we call USA? [Re: MycoWeek]
#27579065 - 12/12/21 06:36 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I still feel hopeful for every country.
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Re: Anyone still feel hopeful for this great country we call USA? [Re: thirtygoats]
#27579086 - 12/12/21 06:50 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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In a war between Russia and China, who would win? Who would cave in first? And How?
Its interesting to think abt 🤔
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Re: Anyone still feel hopeful for this great country we call USA? [Re: MycoWeek]
#27579235 - 12/12/21 08:17 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sure, we're still the most powerful country on earth, and we'll still be around hundreds of years from now.
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Re: Anyone still feel hopeful for this great country we call USA? [Re: MycoWeek]
#27579442 - 12/12/21 11:59 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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MycoWeek said: is there a way for us to weather this storm? or we are fucked?
The entire Western World is entering a time of great pain.
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Re: Anyone still feel hopeful for this great country we call USA? [Re: viktor] 1
#27579565 - 12/13/21 04:49 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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America is no longer the super power we once were especially with the woke biden administration running the show. If Russia an china want to make any moves now is the time since we are vulnerable. Or own government is more worried about terrorists parents at school board meetings than what ever china an Russia are up to.
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Re: Anyone still feel hopeful for this great country we call USA? [Re: Mach z 800]
#27579657 - 12/13/21 07:47 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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So you want America to police the world then ? Me too . What we need is a good old fashioned military build up , and a draft . Fuck spending money on infrastructure. We need more toys for killing the Russians and the Chinese . Just nuking them isn't good enough . We need to build shit and draft people so we can say , "" seee , we don't even need them nukes , we'll fuck you up without em , we already won on paper , twice . " That's how we rule the world , spend all your money , your kids money , your grandkids money , and you can hate me and everyone else who isn't like you while it's happening ! Cool huh ?
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Re: Anyone still feel hopeful for this great country we call USA? [Re: Psilynut2]
#27579726 - 12/13/21 08:58 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Anyone still feel hopeful for this great country we call USA? [Re: Brian Jones]
#27579756 - 12/13/21 09:25 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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My kid's preschool teacher's typical morning on a good day is allot more demeaning than that .
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Re: Anyone still feel hopeful for this great country we call USA? [Re: Psilynut2]
#27579823 - 12/13/21 10:07 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sounds like quality family entertainment.
Next time, they should be given spiked baseball bats for that true rollerball feel.
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Re: Anyone still feel hopeful for this great country we call USA? [Re: Kryptos] 1
#27579827 - 12/13/21 10:10 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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A lot of countries hate the US mostly out of envy and jealousy. I think the US is doing great or else people would stop trying to sneak in.
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Re: Anyone still feel hopeful for this great country we call USA? [Re: kreg]
#27579833 - 12/13/21 10:14 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fucking help wanted signs everywhere where I live Its something I've never seen before . Looks to me like we need them .
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Re: Anyone still feel hopeful for this great country we call USA? [Re: Psilynut2]
#27579843 - 12/13/21 10:20 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, too bad they're all for jobs that don't pay enough to live.
The other day I got food and it came with a "we're hiring! up to 12$ an hour!" flyer.
My apartment requires proof of income of at least $18/hr to live there. Up to 12$ an hour and I'm homeless.
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Re: Anyone still feel hopeful for this great country we call USA? [Re: Psilynut2]
#27579864 - 12/13/21 10:35 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Psilynut2 said: So you want America to police the world then ? Me too . What we need is a good old fashioned military build up , and a draft . Fuck spending money on infrastructure. We need more toys for killing the Russians and the Chinese . Just nuking them isn't good enough . We need to build shit and draft people so we can say , "" seee , we don't even need them nukes , we'll fuck you up without em , we already won on paper , twice . " That's how we rule the world , spend all your money , your kids money , your grandkids money , and you can hate me and everyone else who isn't like you while it's happening ! Cool huh ?
lol we are allreaddy talking about nuking Russia. Biden is about raise inflation with his build back better plan so your kids,kids will grow up dealing with the debt.
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Re: Anyone still feel hopeful for this great country we call USA? [Re: Kryptos]
#27579865 - 12/13/21 10:38 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, too bad they're all for jobs that don't pay enough to live.
The other day I got food and it came with a "we're hiring! up to 12$ an hour!" flyer.
My apartment requires proof of income of at least $18/hr to live there. Up to 12$ an hour and I'm homeless.
That's why my brother has 4 roommates . He lives in San Fransisco though . I know chemical engineers with roommates living there.
I remember when conservatives used to tell me if employers can't get workers to apply they would just pay more . I think customer service will just cease to be a thing . Eventually everything you bought that day will just be thrown on the ground at your front door . At least half the shit I used to buy at the supermarket already is .
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Re: Anyone still feel hopeful for this great country we call USA? [Re: Mach z 800]
#27579877 - 12/13/21 10:48 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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lol we are allreaddy talking about nuking Russia. Biden is about raise inflation with his build back better plan so your kids,kids will grow up dealing with the debt.
How are you dealing with the debt your parents are responsible for ? Seriously . Explain how you deal with it . Do that and I'll explain to you how I deal with the fact that we have been talking about nuking Russia since the 50 s . It just keeps getting scarier .
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#27579964 - 12/13/21 12:12 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, too bad they're all for jobs that don't pay enough to live.
The other day I got food and it came with a "we're hiring! up to 12$ an hour!" flyer.
My apartment requires proof of income of at least $18/hr to live there. Up to 12$ an hour and I'm homeless.
That's why my brother has 4 roommates . He lives in San Fransisco though . I know chemical engineers with roommates living there.
I remember when conservatives used to tell me if employers can't get workers to apply they would just pay more . I think customer service will just cease to be a thing . Eventually everything you bought that day will just be thrown on the ground at your front door . At least half the shit I used to buy at the supermarket already is .
Thankfully, I don't live in San Francisco. I don't have any money problems, but I laugh every time I hear someone complain about the lack of workers. I know plenty of people for whom it would be a net loss to take a 12$/hr job.
Why bother remembering what conservatives say? It's always bullshit. I was getting internet, and they still charged me an installation fee, even though they never actually sent anyone to install it. Covid, and all that.
The free market only works in one direction. Supply and demand is for raising prices, not for wages.
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Re: Anyone still feel hopeful for this great country we call USA? [Re: Kryptos]
#27580020 - 12/13/21 01:04 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why bother remembering what conservatives say? It's always bullshit
True That's not just jsomething they used to say before Trump ruined them though . A major portion of their philosophy is based on the demand for workers driving up wages . It's why they wanted the wall , it's why they wanted tariffs.
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Re: Anyone still feel hopeful for this great country we call USA? [Re: Psilynut2]
#27580104 - 12/13/21 02:26 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I know, it's also their main argument against the minimum wage.
Of course, everybody knows that the real reason they want to get rid of minimum wage is so that they can pay people even less.
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Re: Anyone still feel hopeful for this great country we call USA? [Re: Psilynut2]
#27580639 - 12/13/21 10:40 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Psilynut2 said: Fucking help wanted signs everywhere where I live Its something I've never seen before . Looks to me like we need them .
I guarantee you we have enough people here, it's just lazy fucks don't want to work because the free cheese government is handing out. I've heard more than one people say stupid shit like "if I work more than 20hrs, I loose my benefit".
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#27580905 - 12/14/21 08:49 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's not a lazy fuck, that's a broken system.
Want people to work? Pay them more. Supply and demand.
Edit: on topic, I was just thinking about those tornadoes that killed a bunch of people that were at work. I wonder how many of those people knew it was dangerous to stay, but also knew that if they didn't stay they'd lose their jobs?
Live to work, and die to keep your job. Is that worth it?
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Re: Anyone still feel hopeful for this great country we call USA? [Re: Kryptos]
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Freest nation in the world, but if you don't have a traditional job you are considered a lazy fuck.
lol
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Kryptos said: That's not a lazy fuck, that's a broken system.
Want people to work? Pay them more. Supply and demand.
Edit: on topic, I was just thinking about those tornadoes that killed a bunch of people that were at work. I wonder how many of those people knew it was dangerous to stay, but also knew that if they didn't stay they'd lose their jobs?
Live to work, and die to keep your job. Is that worth it?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kentucky-tornado-factory-workers-threatened-firing-left-tornado-employ-rcna8581
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As a catastrophic tornado approached this city Friday, employees of a candle factory — which would later be destroyed — heard the warning sirens and wanted to leave the building. But at least five workers said supervisors warned employees that they would be fired if they left their shifts early.
Holy shit, the owners better be on a plane out of the country.
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Re: Anyone still feel hopeful for this great country we call USA? [Re: Kryptos]
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Kryptos said: I know, it's also their main argument against the minimum wage.
Of course, everybody knows that the real reason they want to get rid of minimum wage is so that they can pay people even less.
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Yeah, too bad they're all for jobs that don't pay enough to live.
The other day I got food and it came with a "we're hiring! up to 12$ an hour!" flyer.
My apartment requires proof of income of at least $18/hr to live there. Up to 12$ an hour and I'm homeless.
That's why my brother has 4 roommates . He lives in San Fransisco though . I know chemical engineers with roommates living there.
I remember when conservatives used to tell me if employers can't get workers to apply they would just pay more . I think customer service will just cease to be a thing . Eventually everything you bought that day will just be thrown on the ground at your front door . At least half the shit I used to buy at the supermarket already is .
Thankfully, I don't live in San Francisco. I don't have any money problems, but I laugh every time I hear someone complain about the lack of workers. I know plenty of people for whom it would be a net loss to take a 12$/hr job.
Why bother remembering what conservatives say? It's always bullshit. I was getting internet, and they still charged me an installation fee, even though they never actually sent anyone to install it. Covid, and all that.
The free market only works in one direction. Supply and demand is for raising prices, not for wages.
Supply and demand is affecting wages right now. Amazon is paying $20 in Northern urban areas, and they still can't hire enough people. It's gone up $3.50 in 18 months. I give it one more year, then they go back to business as usual.
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Re: Anyone still feel hopeful for this great country we call USA? [Re: Brian Jones]
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Brian Jones said: Supply and demand is affecting wages right now. Amazon is paying $20 in Northern urban areas, and they still can't hire enough people. It's gone up $3.50 in 18 months. I give it one more year, then they go back to business as usual.
The only way you go back to business as usual is through inflation. If a company starts handing out pay cuts, their workforce will revolt.
That's why companies are giving workers any "benefit" they want except for insurance, WFH, and higher wages. It's easier to get rid of the office ping pong table. It's also why companies are willing to do damn near anything short of raising wages, nobody wants to be left holding the bag.
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Re: Anyone still feel hopeful for this great country we call USA? [Re: Kryptos]
#27584322 - 12/16/21 11:31 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think America will do just fine for the monied. After all, all that matters is what makes America great gets greater - and has. Look at the stock market growth which has done very nicely where as the unimportant has been allowed to wither to ensure business growth.
https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/3.3-million-americans-fell-into-poverty-during-the-pandemic
In 2019, the U.S. recorded its lowest poverty rate on record at 10.5%. One year later, in the wake of the pandemic, that number rose to 11.4%. All told, an additional 3.3 million Americans were pushed into poverty as a result of widespread unemployment and income loss. Since the pandemic, poverty rates have increased in 39 states.
This trend of poverty is increasing across the world so as resources get thinner policies will be required to contain it rather than mitigate it.
https://www.news.com.au/world/pandemic-widens-gap-between-rich-and-poor/video/34e452755e02f11692150e4a7b422228
The pandemic has widened the gap between the rich and the poor, according to a new report.
The World Inequality Report has found that the wealth of the richest people soared to the highest level while inequality increased in most countries.
The challenge for the US as this poverty increases across the world is to keep the third world out. Not easy with a liberal government and a massive land border. Australia won't allow such invaders as we have a firm border security policy despite the cries of the Left. It avoids many problems. It's one of the reasons why I vote conservative.
Central Americans surveyed this year said scarce economic opportunities were the main reason that they wanted to leave their homelands and head to another country, including the U.S., according to a report by the United Nations and other agencies released Tuesday.

Why the US will allow in thousands of third world people when they already have plenty of homeless, beggars belief (pardon the pun on beggars ).
https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/11/25/thousands-of-homeless-people-could-soon-be-forced-out-of-california-hotels-1336418
In Los Angeles — home to more than 65,000 homeless Californians — the homeless services agency reports that at least 20 percent of those who left Roomkey through September returned to places “not meant for habitation.” In Marin County, that number is 27 percent.

It won't be the wealthy this affects, unless they're the Hollywood celebs who traditionally cheered for liberalism and now have had to flee from the Lost Angels. 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8631063/Hollywood-Apocalypse-rich-famous-fleeing-droves.html
Hollywood's Apocalypse NOW: Rich and famous are fleeing in droves as liberal politics and coronavirus turn City of Dreams into cesspit plagued by junkies and violent criminals
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Re: Anyone still feel hopeful for this great country we call USA? [Re: kreg]
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kreg said: A lot of countries hate the US mostly out of envy and jealousy. I think the US is doing great or else people would stop trying to sneak in.
I agree the US is doing well on the markets (and happy for that); but as for the people "trying to sneak in", well they do if they're dirt poor and desperate. That's hardly a metric to judge the US by. It's like comparing your school grades to the class retard and thinking you're doing well. 
https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2018/10/photos-migrant-caravan/573604/

How to judge a country is by the wealth of its people. 
https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/finance-news/2021/06/24/australian-millionaries-credit-suisse/
Australians are the richest people in the world, says Credit Suisse
Australia’s millionaires club is no longer the exclusive preserve of the mega rich and famous.
A new report from Credit Suisse estimates as many as 1.8 million Australians are millionaires today based on net household wealth (defined as the value of financial and real assets minus debts).
The analysis, which uses US dollars and expects the number of Australian millionaires will grow to roughly 3.1 million by 2025, also found that Australians were the richest people in the world, with a median wealth per adult of $US238,070.
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Re: Anyone still feel hopeful for this great country we call USA? [Re: Oz_Salvia]
#27584541 - 12/17/21 07:44 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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And then people are like "don't you care that the mob is looting the Target?" And I'm like "lol, no, not my problem".
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Re: Anyone still feel hopeful for this great country we call USA? [Re: Kryptos]
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What's really surprising is 25% of the USA nation is Hispanic/Mexican now. That 50 million population growth you guys had over the decades is mostly immigrants. I wonder how that will go down.
I wouldn't worry about your country. I think you have a really good government. They are interested in staying on top and they *will* stay there.
I just wish you guys had education financial resources like Australia's HECS. And I wish you had a strong middle class. I mean, the upper 5% (the owners of the private sector) are just looting the middle class with subliminal advertising, social engineering and lobbying. This is the problem with free market capitalism - that the private sector can go renegade.
I'd say that's 90% of your causes of problems in USA right there. The private sector looting the wealth from the rest of the country. They don't give a shit about you. But your government does.
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The US population has been below replacement since basically Reagan. Obama managed to bump it up a bit, but it's been dropping like a rock ever since. The US population only grows through immigration.
That will eventually be a problem. Musk isn't wrong.
One of the most amazing things about capitalism, in my opinion, is the fact that it was able to override the lizard brain urge to reproduce. I cannot think of a single thing that has ever been able to make people stop popping out babies except economic anxiety, and that's pretty awesome. That there is an accomplishment.
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#27590067 - 12/21/21 10:30 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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psilocybinmansions said: What's really surprising is 25% of the USA nation is Hispanic/Mexican now. That 50 million population growth you guys had over the decades is mostly immigrants. I wonder how that will go down.
It will turn the US into what Trump bellowed about: "a shit hole".
As POC increases so does the poverty.

Even a casual glance at this State thematic map and spatially the poorest are to the south. Curiously the US has a huge land border to the third world hence they generally congregate not far from source.


It's not just the Hispanic influx, spatially speaking the higher the black population the greater the poverty. Visually compare these two thematic maps and that dark mass in the south east can't be ignored.


Of course, "White Flight" (as it is called) continues, because no one wants their kids to be victims. I live in a white area and prefer it as there's basically no crime. The local schools are some of the best in the country and one can expect their children will not be punching bags or knifed. All white classes, all white parents and teachers. Stereotypical fears, be it in Australia or the US, or anywhere for that matter, stem from observations. Massaging the language to assuage the triggered as the APA has done doesn't change this.
https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2021/10/white-flight-segregation
WASHINGTON — As the population of people of color grows across the United States, white Americans are still prone to move when neighborhoods diversify, and their fears and stereotypical beliefs about other racial and ethnic groups may help maintain segregation, according to research published by the American Psychological Association.
The statistics are grim. Black do the crimes well above their proportion number when one takes stock of the fact they're just 13% of the US population. https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2
The white flight has seen capital leave areas that are now POC. It's also a fact the American monied will continue to live in gated communities doing what they do best - looking after themselves.
The Top 1% of Americans Have Taken $50 Trillion From the Bottom 90%—And That's Made the U.S. Less Secure
https://time.com/5888024/50-trillion-income-inequality-america/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-08/top-1-earners-hold-more-wealth-than-the-u-s-middle-class
After years of declines, America’s middle class now holds a smaller share of U.S. wealth than the top 1%.
The middle 60% of U.S. households by income -- a measure economists often use as a definition of the middle class -- saw their combined assets drop to 26.6% of national wealth as of June, the lowest in Federal Reserve data going back three decades. For the first time, the super rich had a bigger share, at 27%.
The rest will get the lifestyle of the slums that are expanding over the world. They fuck like bunnies as they have little else to do so that's also increasing the outcome.

The good news is the US stockmarkets will continue to rise in the long term because that's in the interests of the wealthy. Even the black swan of COVID has vanished as a speed hump in the rear view mirror.

The rest will be cut adrift so to speak (and have been for years). Basket place on the whole. Glad I don't live there. I'll just gleam what dough I can off the US markets. Better than the ASX and has been for years!
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Re: Anyone still feel hopeful for this great country we call USA? [Re: psilocybinmansions]
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psilocybinmansions said: What's really surprising is 25% of the USA nation is Hispanic/Mexican now. That 50 million population growth you guys had over the decades is mostly immigrants. I wonder how that will go down.
I wouldn't worry about your country. I think you have a really good government. They are interested in staying on top and they *will* stay there.
I just wish you guys had education financial resources like Australia's HECS. And I wish you had a strong middle class. I mean, the upper 5% (the owners of the private sector) are just looting the middle class with subliminal advertising, social engineering and lobbying. This is the problem with free market capitalism - that the private sector can go renegade.
I'd say that's 90% of your causes of problems in USA right there. The private sector looting the wealth from the rest of the country. They don't give a shit about you. But your government does.
You wrote a good post, but the U.S. is 19% hispanic.
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Re: Anyone still feel hopeful for this great country we call USA? [Re: Brian Jones]
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As long as you have great people there is hope. It's not much different anywhere else on the planet. Discrepancies, but if you look at the big picture, it's all very similar.
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Re: Anyone still feel hopeful for this great country we call USA? [Re: JohnS0N]
#27593787 - 12/25/21 07:22 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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There are very few moments in our history where things didn't seem hopeless to the people at the time .
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