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OfflineBrighteye
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Extraction issue
    #27566929 - 12/02/21 09:16 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

What are the big difference between methanol extraction and ethanol extraction.Excuse my lack of technical terms. I dont quite have them all down. I have a closed loop vaccum system, I use ethanol as a solvent (190 proof grain alcohol).  It has a heat jacketed boiling pot controlled by a heat pump. A 6 in tube above that (for mushroom biomass) with a  filter between the material and boiling pot, and a condenser above that. I am setting the heat pump to about 55 deg. Celcius. The cooler recirculating machine keeps up well and stays about -20c. And my vaccum at about 20psi.  I do the extract process for about 6 hours after everything is up to temp. . The tube gets just slightly warm to the touch (I think it should be getting warmer but cant figure out how to achieve that) Then i switch some valves to redirect the flow and recollect the ethanol, I get about 85 % back in my recovery. I have been getting about 150 g of dark brown goo from a 7 lb run of powdered cubensis. Me and a few people have tested it and it is not strong. So we got it tested and it is coming back on 2x as potent as mushrooms per gram.

Some extra back ground on this.... I bought this machine from a friend who convinced me it was better than what I originally wanted  (ultrasonic extractor and rotovap). He has been pulling nice stuff from the machine he sold me and so I know it works but he doesnt want to help me figure out or problem shoot what's happening. So here i am with my ass in my hands and not sure what to do with it. Lol.

The machine pretty much looks like a still for visual idea of what I am working with.

Few questions:
1. is switching to methanol going to really be the fix all to the potency problem? From what I understand the difference between methanol and ethanol is slightly better recovery of psilocybin but not that significant
2. If methanol isnt the fix it all any ideas on why the extract so weak?
3. I thought the extract should be a lighter brown color not dark brown molasses color.

Thanks for any help you can give. This will be a multi faceted issue I'm sure but I am set on figuring it out. I have no scientific experience but tons in growing and breeding cubes and other mushrooms. So please be easy on me 😁😁😁✌✌


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InvisibleCreonAntigone
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Re: Extraction issue [Re: Brighteye]
    #27571809 - 12/06/21 08:03 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

If you want to extract mushrooms in ethanol just soak it... soak it at room temperature for a longer time. That's how you make a tincture.

No reason to switch to using methanol, a toxic alcohol, over ethanol.


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Re: Extraction issue [Re: Brighteye]
    #27575584 - 12/10/21 04:45 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Extraction issue [Re: Defacto2]
    #27591628 - 12/23/21 09:13 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the link! I enjoyed Ichibancrafter's Mushroom extraction journal and his personal challenges and path to healing.


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Re: Extraction issue [Re: Brighteye]
    #28118351 - 12/31/22 03:27 AM (1 year, 27 days ago)

You want to use methanol as your solvent, and you don't want to pull a vac. 2 hour run


Edited by ShadowLite (02/22/23 05:28 AM)


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