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magic mushroom poisoning?
    #2755916 - 06/02/04 07:20 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Hi everyone.

I just thought i'd bring this up for discussion because it seems like my friends or their friends, whenever the subject of psychedelic mushrooms comes up, are under the impression that when you trip on mushrooms the hallucinations that often occur are simply your bodies reaction to the toxicicity of the mushroom. In other words, i know a great deal of people that think that a trip is caused by your bodies defense mechanism against the "poisons" in the mushrooms. I was just wondering if anyone else had ever heard of this theory or if anyone had any knowledge of what does in fact cause hallucinations from mushrooms. Personally I think that mushrooms, psilocybin specifically, is no more of a poison to the human body than any other psychoactive substance, i.e. weed, salvia, cocaine, and what not. I don't believe that hallucinations are simply a reaction from your body fighting off toxins. feel free to put in your 2 cents.

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Re: magic mushroom poisoning? [Re: iseegreenandpurple]
    #2756307 - 06/02/04 11:49 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Read the sticky post named "How Hallucinogenic Drugs Work" at the top of the fourm, that will answer all your questions.


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Re: magic mushroom poisoning? [Re: djd586]
    #2757030 - 06/02/04 04:05 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

here is my theory which is mine

yes, consider a 3-d movie projector
it is your cerebral cortex.
all input at all times is comming in to this screen ( the cortex)
the input is bioelectronic and we know it is vibratory.

the term to describe the vibratory input is tetany - a series of
impulses that gradually fades.

the impulses come from 5 senses and from within the brain (incl
memory/thought and feelings - pleasure pain and indifference)

each moment of resonant experiencing involves the tetanic projection energy in vibrations onto the cortex. It is like a discrete layer but the gestalts is more fluid than a cel in an animation film, many things are arising while others are fading, however we do experience out own integration of this as discrete moments, and things that are experienced together are associated in memory by the fixation process.

Now consider the next moment arising and being experienced - a memory
trace of the previous pattern is now attached as the FADING LAYER or
projection on the cortex.

They blend and overlay like frames of celluloid movie, but 3-d
experiencing (I am avoiding the term reality).

entheogen extends the fadeout of tetany and so prolongs the
persistence of fading experiencing so you get a thicker now - a sense
of more dimensions.

If we allow it, the dimensions blend - partial experiences of one moment are connected to partials of another (impossible? not at all) and we get hybrid experiences or hallucinatory experiences.

we can also get multiple selves, and cascades of fractals if we reflect on seeing our reflected ideas and geometries.

I think that this effect can engage, disengage and re-engage so we
can move through the levels of the S-A-L-V-I-A Scale.

The longer the fadeout the more overlapping of input signals and
higher on the scale.
At the greatest overlapping (about 12-25 layers - tolerance varies
per person) one cannot distinguish what is happenning or recall it
later - Amnesia. (#6)
At high but not extreme overlapping (about 8-17 layers of gestalt)
one can easily lose sense of body and place but drift into memory
places - Immaterial. (#5)
At medium overlapping (about 6-12 layers of gestalt) we get visions
with eye open - Vivid. (#4)
at modest overlapping( about 4-9 layers of gestalt) we get light
vision enhancement -Light visual.(#3)
at low overlapping (about 3-6 layers of gestalt) we are altered
slightly - Altered (#2)
at mere effect (about 2-4 layers of gestalt) we are only subtly
altered - Subtle. (#1)

It is still the salvia scale with margin for variance in that some
people seem unaffected even though their universe can be heavily
layered - maybe it is always ringing for them, maybe they are
actually the lucky ones. I am the kind that will collapse in
confusion at 12 layers since I escallate by reflection and my take on
6 layers -when noticed- gets retaken 6 times to seem like 36 etc.
(You might call that a fractal resonance of reflective experiencing).
Anyway I like 6-10 extra potential dimensions. level 4-5.

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Re: magic mushroom poisoning? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #2757519 - 06/02/04 06:21 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)


Edited by TheHateCamel (12/08/07 02:42 AM)

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