Home | Community | Message Board

KykeonAnalytics.com
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Mushroom-Hut Substrate Bags   OlympusMyco.com Olympus Myco Bulk Substrate   Myyco.com Isolated Cubensis Liquid Culture For Sale   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   MagicBag.co Certified Organic All-In-One Grow Bags   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   North Spore Bulk Substrate

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1
OfflineSpectreOfCommunism
CEO of Antifa


Registered: 10/17/12
Posts: 359
Loc: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Last seen: 6 months, 27 days
Question RE: Jar Sizes and Consolidation Time
    #27559030 - 11/27/21 12:00 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

During a PF-style grow, does jar shape and size (i.e. short wide-mouth vs tall narrow-mouth 1/2 pint) affect the necessary consolidation time? Longer, taller 1/2 pint jars seem to have more surface area than the shorter wide-mouth jars (and therefore a smaller amount of substrate in the invisible interior region) and so why wouldn't they take less time to consolidate? My current understanding is that consolidation is necessary mainly to ensure that mycelium fully colonizes the unseen interior of the jar and so it would seem to follow that the less substrate is on the interior the less time would be needed for consolidation.

Or if you prefer a thought experiment -- if I prepared a BRF cake in a very long, test-tube-like jar with maximum surface area, would consolidation even be necessary after apparent 100% colonization?

Any opinions would be appreciated :smile:


--------------------
Found Species: Ps. Azurescens, Ps. Cyanescens, Ps. Baeocystis, Ps. Semilanceata, Pan. Cinctulus


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineHikeadellic
Fungi Fan
Male


Registered: 08/31/20
Posts: 1,227
Loc: Appalachian Trail
Last seen: 13 days, 13 hours
Re: Question RE: Jar Sizes and Consolidation Time [Re: SpectreOfCommunism]
    #27559036 - 11/27/21 12:07 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

I think it takes a week or two for the spores to wake up

Mycelium grows by points of contact. PF tek jars have four holes because four points of contact goes quicker then one.

Volume is important too, I think 1/4 pint jars would go quicker then 1/2 pint jars

I think a 1/4 pint long test tube jar would go slower then a normal 1/4 pint jar because it would have reduced grow points from the narrowness of the tube

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineSpectreOfCommunism
CEO of Antifa


Registered: 10/17/12
Posts: 359
Loc: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Last seen: 6 months, 27 days
Re: Question RE: Jar Sizes and Consolidation Time [Re: Hikeadellic]
    #27559044 - 11/27/21 12:13 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Hikeadellic said:
I think it takes a week or two for the spores to wake up

Mycelium grows by points of contact. PF tek jars have four holes because four points of contact goes quicker then one.

Volume is important too, I think 1/4 pint jars would go quicker then 1/2 pint jars

I think a 1/4 pint long test tube jar would go slower then a normal 1/4 pint jar because it would have reduced grow points from the narrowness of the tube




Yes, definitely the overall grow-time would not be great in this absurd situation -- but would it require any consolidation time? I guess what I'm asking is whether "consolidation" is purely for the purpose of making sure the interior is fully colonized or does consolidation serve other purposes as well


--------------------
Found Species: Ps. Azurescens, Ps. Cyanescens, Ps. Baeocystis, Ps. Semilanceata, Pan. Cinctulus


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineHikeadellic
Fungi Fan
Male


Registered: 08/31/20
Posts: 1,227
Loc: Appalachian Trail
Last seen: 13 days, 13 hours
Re: Question RE: Jar Sizes and Consolidation Time [Re: SpectreOfCommunism]
    #27559400 - 11/27/21 10:31 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

I think if its really thin, no. If its a normal jar its more 3d so we cant see whats on the inside so its good practice to wait a little longer then you need too.

Plus if you wait long enough, you will get fruits on the inside of the jar

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMycoWeek
Elementary Student
 User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 07/05/21
Posts: 674
Loc: USA Flag
Re: Question RE: Jar Sizes and Consolidation Time [Re: Hikeadellic]
    #27560271 - 11/28/21 03:02 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

taller jar will take longer for mycelium to travel down and colonize bottom part, but theoretically, it should take less time to consolidate once the whole exterior is colonized.

it also depends on how many injection point successfully germinated.

I had a jar where only 1 point germinated, and I birthed it the moment it hits 100%, because mycelium had to travel from one end to the other, and I know for sure the center must be colonized as well.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineSpectreOfCommunism
CEO of Antifa


Registered: 10/17/12
Posts: 359
Loc: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Last seen: 6 months, 27 days
Re: Question RE: Jar Sizes and Consolidation Time [Re: MycoWeek]
    #27561325 - 11/28/21 09:33 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

MycoWeek said:
taller jar will take longer for mycelium to travel down and colonize bottom part, but theoretically, it should take less time to consolidate once the whole exterior is colonized.

it also depends on how many injection point successfully germinated.

I had a jar where only 1 point germinated, and I birthed it the moment it hits 100%, because mycelium had to travel from one end to the other, and I know for sure the center must be colonized as well.




That makes sense


--------------------
Found Species: Ps. Azurescens, Ps. Cyanescens, Ps. Baeocystis, Ps. Semilanceata, Pan. Cinctulus


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1

Shop: Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Mushroom-Hut Substrate Bags   OlympusMyco.com Olympus Myco Bulk Substrate   Myyco.com Isolated Cubensis Liquid Culture For Sale   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   MagicBag.co Certified Organic All-In-One Grow Bags   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   North Spore Bulk Substrate


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Screw quart jars of grain------>
( 1 2 3 all )
SixTango 5,355 49 11/25/02 12:25 AM
by Thor
* poo in jars Anonymous 880 8 11/26/02 08:21 AM
by Anonymous
* Caseing questions A3eyedfish 660 2 12/04/01 05:59 PM
by honeyroasted
* Mexicana A questions YourHighness 2,193 3 02/28/02 03:20 PM
by fig
* Questions on my technique RandalFlagg 897 1 06/16/02 08:40 AM
by DinoMyc
* help with gallon jars ellisdee625 1,404 8 04/19/02 01:01 PM
by ellisdee625
* Grass Seed Questions (Cubs and Pan Cyans) Richard_D_James 1,332 1 12/28/01 11:54 PM
by Anonymous
* Spore Jar Technique (thanks to PokeSmot!) Rustik 4,485 17 05/30/03 04:16 AM
by mycophreak

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: RogerRabbit, Pastywhyte, bodhisatta
413 topic views. 0 members, 2 guests and 6 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.023 seconds spending 0.004 seconds on 12 queries.