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OfflineLeviathon
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Need id asap! Posible Poisoning! pics
    #2755776 - 06/02/04 04:36 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

My stupid friend ate some unidentified mushrooms tuesday, june 1st. She did not experience any psycotropic effects, and has not experienced any poisoning symptoms, Yet. She gave me an altoid tin full of some rather f*cked up specimens so i will do the best i can with the description. The cap is gold when dry, Light brown possibly gold when fresh. Bruises dark brown with a hint of red almost black. Stem is light brown/cream colored, almost gold, sort of reflective for lack of a better word, bruises brown. Long, fiberous (stringy), and hollow. Gills are brown, attached to stem. I will have the spore print in the morning and habitat info later in the evening. the odor they give off is musty. Anything else im missing? I would mainly like to know if they are poisonous, i am very very worried about her so any help is more than welcome. The pics suck but the give you a generall idea. Thanks in advance.


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Re: Need id asap! Posible Poisoning! pics [Re: Leviathon]
    #2755782 - 06/02/04 04:41 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

how much did she eat?


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Re: Need id asap! Posible Poisoning! pics [Re: Leviathon]
    #2755807 - 06/02/04 04:58 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Where are the mushrooms from,country,state and area?


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Re: Need id asap! Posible Poisoning! pics [Re: Leviathon]
    #2755839 - 06/02/04 05:43 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Your friend may just have to hope she is lucky.

Was ingestion within the last 2 hours? If so, vomiting will help eliminate some of the potential toxins. If it's been more that 2 hours, then your best option is to wait and see if symptoms develop.

If symptoms are going to develop, they will probably do so within 24 hours. If she develops symptoms of poisoning, contact the Poison Center (1-800-222-1222). If she collapses or stops breathing, call 911. Note that contacting the Poison Center does not obligate you to go to the emergency room.

SAVE THOSE BITS OF MUSHROOMS! If she becomes ill and needs to go to the emergency room, make sure those go to the hospital with her. They can contact a local mycologist who can then make a positive ID.


Fortunately, the odds are good that a person eating a randomly picked mushroom will not become sick, or will only become mildly sick (nausea, vomiting, diarrhea). Also note that a panic reaction can also cause some fairly distressing symptoms, so try to avoid inducing panic.


Habitat is something that will help a lot in identifying these. Were they growing on wood or from the ground? Spore print color will also help a lot.


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Re: Need id asap! Posible Poisoning! pics [Re: ToxicMan]
    #2756023 - 06/02/04 09:41 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

They were found in WA state.


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Re: Need id asap! Posible Poisoning! pics [Re: ToxicMan]
    #2756045 - 06/02/04 09:56 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The spore print appears to be black.


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Re: Need id asap! Posible Poisoning! pics [Re: Leviathon]
    #2756368 - 06/02/04 12:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

probably some kind of inactive pan then if the print was black

NEVER INGEST SHROOMS WOTHOUT PROPERLY IDing them.


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Re: Need id asap! Posible Poisoning! pics [Re: Leviathon]
    #2756374 - 06/02/04 12:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

take everything toxicman said into consideration, and save some of those mushrooms where if problems occur the poisoned person can be taken into medical assistance immediately... pic 3 looks like coprinus (sp)... possibly mica... but don't take my word for it, the description doesnt really fit, but the picture does, just something to start from hopefuly...


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Re: Need id asap! Posible Poisoning! pics [Re: ToxicMan]
    #2758016 - 06/02/04 08:56 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

They were picked in the outfield of a baseball field behind a highschool (stupid, stupid highschoolers) . Short green grass, I presume the soil is fertilized and i know it is irrigated. There are blackberry bushes and deciduous trees about 20 yards away from the spot in the field where they found them. She ate about 50 of them and her friend ate 20 or so. The one that ate 20 said she expirience medium nausea 7 hours after ingestion and again this morning, the one that ate the 50 said she feels fine but i suspect that she might be just saying that to keep me from worrying more than i already am. I have been researching panaeolus species but have found no matches. Anything else you guys need? Thankyou very much for the help!


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Re: Need id asap! Posible Poisoning! pics [Re: Leviathon]
    #2758083 - 06/02/04 09:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

shit dood, i am sorry to hear that, seriously kids shouldnt be eating random mushrooms. evenb professionsals shouldnt just eat them... toxicman is right though. he knows the score, just hope the best for your frined.


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Re: Need id asap! Posible Poisoning! pics [Re: Leviathon]
    #2758086 - 06/02/04 09:20 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Your mushrooms appear to be either Panaeolina or Panaeolus. One is that long stringy mushrooms are not toxic shrooms. Usually a manure or grass mushroom and your shrooms do not resemble any of the deadly Galerina mushrooms or the Concybe filaris. Nor do they come anywhere near the deadly Amanitas which are quite large with scales on the caps and white Gills.

But the stringiness would be either of the two mentioned above. SInce you say they were found in a grassy area than they cannot p be Panaolus. Panaeolina is a gras mushroom and many times pickers misidentifiy it as black spored shroom.


Since they are stringy and if y9our identifiation of the spore color is black and not dark brown, then probably they are Panelus sphinctrinus. Were they in manur eor in grass/

Now as fdor posinouing, if f she u only ate those shrooms and nothing else thant he fear is all in her mind.

mj


A third choice would have been Coprinus atramantarius which causes nausea and vomiting and cramps after consuming alcohom in symbiosis witht he mushrooms.

But then again, The cap I examined in your image resembles panaeolina or Panaeolus. It is definitely bell shaped to conic.

mj ps
If she gets reall sick in the nect day then maybe she shoudl go to the hospital.

mj


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Re: Need id asap! Posible Poisoning! pics [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2758322 - 06/02/04 10:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I don't think they are Panaeolus sphinctrinus altough i could very well be wrong, but judging by the photos i have seen of them they do not appear to be sphinctrinus, mainly because the stem is very silky on a larger specimen. Could it be Psathyrella similis? Those aren't toxic are they? Would you say i can rule out all of the gallerina species? The spore print seems to have just the slightest hint of purple, although i am still unsure on an exact color. I don't know why im having such difficulty with the color of the print, mabey im trying to hard. Black seems to be the most acurate though.


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Re: Need id asap! Posible Poisoning! pics [Re: Leviathon]
    #2758524 - 06/02/04 11:07 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Need id asap! Posible Poisoning! pics [Re: Leviathon]
    #2758730 - 06/02/04 11:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Ok i have pictures of them in their habitat, im really sure these are the same ones. Now that i see them fresh like this mabey they are Pan sphinc.


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Re: Need id asap! Posible Poisoning! pics [Re: Leviathon]
    #2759044 - 06/03/04 12:54 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

id tend to agree with mj, those last habitat pics lookvery similar to panaeolina foen. - nothing to worry about. but if its beem more than a dozen or so hours u should rest a little easier but tell ur fucking friend to be careful AND SMARTER next time.


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