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Is Fentanyl-Tainted Marijuana ‘Something Real’ or ‘Just an Urban Legend’? * 1
    #27554197 - 11/22/21 10:22 PM (5 days, 15 hours ago)

Is Fentanyl-Tainted Marijuana ‘Something Real’ or ‘Just an Urban Legend’?
November 22, 2021 - Capitol Hill Times

If taken at face value recent Connecticut reports about fentanyl-tainted cannabis highlight the risks inherent in the drug prohibition black market. The retail-level sellers who supply illegal drugs may not be able to tell the difference between what the consumer is buying and what it contains. But even in a market where such uncertainty prevails, opioid overdoses among drug users who claim to have consumed nothing but cannabis—like earlier, better documented reports of fentanyl mixed with cocaine—raise puzzling questions about what is going on.

It seems that one thing is certain: the official warnings issued by these reports are far more alarming and concerning than the evidence.

In the past decade, heroin-related deaths have reached new heights due to illicitly manufactured fentanyl. Fentanyl has a potency of roughly 50 times that of heroin and is unpredictable, making it more difficult to make lethal mistakes.

Preliminary data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that the United States experienced a record-breaking number of drug-related death last year, with more than 93,000. The opioids were involved in three quarters. The opioid-related death rate for opioid-related causes was 83 per cent, up from 14% in 2010.

Heroin and fentanyl have similar psychoactive properties. It makes perfect sense that drug dealers would mix heroin and fentanyl to enhance or replace heroin. Fentanyl costs less to make, is easier to smuggle, and it’s cheaper than heroin. The idea that dealers might mix marijuana with fentanyl is not plausible. It was a scary idea that existed until now.

The Connecticut Department of Public Health (DPH), however, announced last week that 39 cases of opioid overdoses had been reported to it since July. However, DPH said the patients “had not used opioids and were unable to get naloxone for their recovery” and “denied ever using opioids and only claimed they smoked cannabis.” These cases can be explained by patients who falsely deny opioid use. This stigma is stronger than marijuana consumption. The agency did report that the lab testing of one marijuana sample from those patients revealed that it had detected fentanyl.

Manisha Juthani, DPH commissioner said “This is the very first laboratory-confirmed marijuana case with fentanyl from Connecticut” Her department has “strongly advised all those working in public health and harm reduction to inform clients about potential dangers associated with marijuana with fentanyl.” The department advises that clients should be able to obtain proper precautions for marijuana use. It also “recommends that anyone who is using substances obtained illicitly…know the signs of an opioid overdose, do not use alone, and have naloxone on hand.”

Given their limited evidence, these warnings are overblown. Juthani stated that the danger was so severe that cannabis customers should have naloxone in their possession. If this were true, you might expect more suspect cases to be reported in states with over half a million users. Even if the lab result is accurate, there are still questions about how the fentanyl got into the cannabis sample. Is it possible that the dealer added the fentanyl intentionally? If so, why? The dealer or his customer could have accidentally contaminated the sample. Contrary to his claims, was the patient aware that he had deliberately given his pot with fentanyl.

ForbesChris Roberts asked Robert Lawlor those same questions. Robert Lawlor works as an intelligence officer for New England High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area, which is an interagency team that focuses on drug enforcement. Lawlor replied, “We have many of the same questions.” Fentanyl is not a good business idea. This is why it’s happening. Why is it being put in cannabis? These are just a few of the many questions still unanswered.

HIDTA is, however, a significant exception. Not It is important to warn marijuana users that they must be alert for black-market cannabis containing fentanyl. “Marijuana [mixed with]Lawlor stated that fentanyl is an urban legend since a few years. It is crucial for public safety, public health and public safety to determine if it is real.

The evidence for fentanyl-laced cocaine is significantly stronger. The Drug Enforcement Administration’s February 2018 bulletin stated that testing of Florida cocaine samples “revealed the widespread use of fentanyl in the drug.” According to the Bulletin, fentanyl (or its analogs) was detected in more than 180 samples of cocaine. However, this bulletin did not specify how many were tested.

The DEA stated that widespread seizures of contaminated cocaine show that drug dealers often mix fentanyl with fentanyl related substances. This may be done to boost the drug’s profit (or base) in some cases. Drug dealers may mix fentanyl with cocaine in other instances. They use the same equipment to make different types of drugs such as heroin. However, adulteration can occur without users being aware, and could lead to addiction or overdose. Due to their lack of tolerance or experience, people who only use cocaine occasionaly are very at high risk of an overdose.

It seems that the levels of fentanyl found in cocaine vary greatly across the nation. For example, the DEA describes such combinations as being common in Florida. However, another DEA bulletin, published in the same month, stated that fentanyl was found in “less than one per cent of total cocaine exhibits analyzed in Pennsylvania from 2015 to 2017. NPR’s national reports based upon DEA data show that the percentage of seized cocaine samples tested positive for fentanyl increased from 1 percent to 3.3 percent between 2016 and 2020.

The DEA’s Florida bulletin stated that it was not known to what degree dealers were adding fentanyl cocaine to their products and whether consumers are aware of what they are purchasing. This is not surprising as Americans have been known to consume stimulants along with opioids for a long time. These combinations play a greater role in drug-related death.

The CDC reported that drug-related death from cocaine increased nearly fourfold between 2010 and 2019. It rose from approximately 4,200 to around 15,900. According to a CDC database the percentage of cases in which fentanyl was involved or an analog rose from 4 to 6 percent during the same time period. Although it does not mean that cocaine or fentanyl have been detected, this is consistent with concerns that these combinations are becoming more frequent.

Florida bulletin of the DEA concluded that an increase in cocaine-related deaths was largely due “to growing use cocaine-opioid mixtures and specifically a cocaine/fentanyl combination.” In its 2020 report, the agency stated that it had no additional information. Assessment of the National Drug ThreatAccording to the report, it is hard to determine if overdose deaths spikes are due to primarily [attributable]To intentional use of drug combinations that are true, and ingestion of SOOTM [synthetic opioids other than methadone]It contains only small quantities of cocaine, ingestion of cocaine with minimal elements of SOOTM or both cocaine and SOOTM at the same time.

Although drug-related death from combination of methamphetamines and fentanyl is on the rise as well, it’s not as significant as an increase in cocaine/fentanyl mixtures. The CDC reported that deaths involving methamphetamine and “psychostimulants of abuse potential” increased nearly ninefold between 2010-2019. They rose from approximately 1,900 to 16,200. The percentage of cases involving fentanyl and its analogues increased from 2 to 11 percent during the same time period.

It is unclear how many deaths resulted from mixtures of drugs, as with cocaine. The DEA published a public safety alert in September about fake prescription pills containing fentanyl or methamphetamine. The pills look similar to common prescription medications like Percocet and Vicodin or Xanax. The DEA advised that pills often contain dangerous amounts of fentanyl. It added that “methamphetamine” is being increasingly pressed into fake pills.

The DEA has not stated how common it is for the same pill contain fentanyl, methamphetamine or both. Assessment of the National Drug Threat The CDC did not mention deaths from both drugs. The CDC states that fentanyl can be found in “commonly combined with drugs such as heroin, cocaine and methamphetamine.” It also says: “Fentanyl-laced drug are extremely dangerous and many people might not know that they contain fentanyl.

Connecticut is not able to provide any evidence supporting its warnings against fentanyl-tainted pot. The presence of fentanyl in cocaine has been better documented. However, this drug isn’t very prevalent in many markets and isn’t known how often people are taking the drugs unknowingly. This hazard is not a matter of opinion. All legal drugs from hydrocodone and whiskey have known active ingredients, in predetermined doses.

The DEA is warning people about the dangers of “pills bought outside of a licensed pharmacist” and “legitimate prescription medications prescribed and dispensed to patients by doctors and pharmacists.” This is in response to the potentially life-threatening policies that it implements. No coincidence, the DEA along with other agencies reduced prescription pain pill supply. This led to an increase in deaths related to opioids. This crackdown also deprived patients who were legally prescribed pain medication and drove people to use “potentially deadly” black market products with unknown origins and compositions. Fentanyl contamination, it is clear that patients and physicians don’t need to be concerned about when using pharmaceutical-grade cocaine.

Connecticut marijuana consumers who are worried about the state’s exaggerated warnings regarding black-market cannabis will soon have legal options. Connecticut has become the 18th legal state to allow recreational use. Licenced sales of cannabis are anticipated to start in May. However, consumers of any other drug will have to deal with the black market, where quality and purity can be unpredictable and sometimes deadly.


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Re: Is Fentanyl-Tainted Marijuana ‘Something Real’ or ‘Just an Urban Legend’? [Re: veggie]
    #27554233 - 11/22/21 11:18 PM (5 days, 14 hours ago)

Some of the paragraphs seem a little out of order like it copy pasted weird...

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Fentanyl contamination, it is clear that patients and physicians don’t need to be concerned about when using pharmaceutical-grade cocaine.






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Re: Is Fentanyl-Tainted Marijuana ‘Something Real’ or ‘Just an Urban Legend’? [Re: jack_straw2208]
    #27554274 - 11/23/21 12:11 AM (5 days, 13 hours ago)

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jack_straw2208 said:
Some of the paragraphs seem a little out of order like it copy pasted weird...



The author may have an unusual writing style, but he does make some good points. Dealers mixing fentanyl with cannabis makes no sense at all. Connecticut reports 39 people overdosed on fentanyl from smoking pot. The 39 said they don't use opioids, just use marijuana. So the conclusion was it must be fentanyl tainted pot. Well, people lie. There was the one test showing fentanyl contamination, just one. Who knows how that one sample got contaminated?

There have been reports over the past few days of people overdosing on fentanyl laced pot in Massachusetts and also Vermont. I am very skeptical.

I came across a better written article from the summer, which I'll post below, that addresses the 'myth' of fentanyl laced cannabis.


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Re: Is Fentanyl-Tainted Marijuana ‘Something Real’ or ‘Just an Urban Legend’? [Re: veggie]
    #27554280 - 11/23/21 12:14 AM (5 days, 13 hours ago)

Related article ...

The Pernicious Myth of Fentanyl-Laced Cannabis
July 20, 2021 - Filter Magazine

A recent Washington Post piece on the ever-worsening increase in drug poisoning deaths has reanimated angst over the supposed issue of fentanyl-contaminated cannabis. That drugs like heroin, cocaine and counterfeit pills are often contaminated with (or even entirely substituted by) fentanyl hasn’t been news for years. Is bud the next drug to contribute to the fentanyl poisoning crisis?

Almost certainly not. The concern that cannabis flower is being dusted with fentanyl is not new, either. Back in 2017, Hamilton County, Ohio coroner Dr. Lakshmi Sammarco was quoted at a press conference saying that “we have seen fentanyl mixed with cocaine, we have also seen fentanyl mixed with marijuana.” In a follow-up piece in Vice, Sammarco clarified that she had, in fact, not seen evidence of fentanyl-contaminated cannabis, but was instead repeating something that her co-presenter, US Senator Rob Portman, had told her before that presser—and she didn’t know where he sourced his information. Further reporting found no good evidence of fentanyl-laced bud, and instead only speculation, the suspicions of anxious parents and social media hearsay.

I focus here on cannabis flower—not resins, oils, vape cartridges or other processed forms of cannabis. However, while these forms’ added steps of handling and processing make them less clear-cut than simple bud, and contamination has at times occurred—as with the role of vitamin E acetate in unregulated THC products in lung injuries that were wrongly attributed at first to e-cigarettes—there is still no evidence of any widespread fentanyl contamination in such products.

Even in cases where someone dies of fentanyl poisoning and postmortem drug tests are positive for THC, chances are high that these drugs were used separately. THC famously lingers in the body’s fat for days or weeks, resulting in positive THC tests well after the last use of the substance.

Despite no verified, reliable reports of fentanyl-laced cannabis out there, the rumor remains. When awareness of a new drug permates a community, panic and rumor reliably follow. And while the potential harms of fentanyl are very real, their context is critical.

Fentanyl is a good and important medication, used around the world in hospitals and ambulances to ease suffering. It has played a key role for COVID-19 patients in critical condition. But that hasn’t stopped personal protective equipment manufacturers from advertising their products as “fentanyl resistant” and recommending full-body suits with a respirator for being near the drug, none of which is necessary.

As past unfounded and harmful fears around “reefer madness,” “crack babies” and MDMA being dropped into trick-or-treat buckets illustrate, drug panic and rumors are constant—and reliably more histrionic than the actual potential harms of a given substance.

A good start to combating ignorance-based panic is knowledge. Just as we should know about the absence of evidence for fentanyl contamination, we can also consider what kind of actual risk there would be if someone did get fentanyl on their cannabis flower.

There are, of course, a few different ways to consume cannabis. The method most of us probably think of is smoking. In the case of cannabis flower, smoking involves loading the material into a pipe or roll paper, lighting it on fire, and inhaling the smoke. Burning fentanyl with flame destroys it, so even if someone smoked cannabis contaminated with fentanyl, the fentanyl would not be active in the smoke. In fact, burning drugs in an incinerator is a common way to dispose of them, both for prescription medications and for illegal drugs seized by law enforcement.

Edibles are another point to consider. What if fentanyl were baked into a pot brownie or gummies? The first thing to point out is that swallowing fentanyl and absorbing it through the gut is a very different experience from injecting it without knowing that it’s present in the shot—the circumstance that’s driving overdose rates. Just as taking hydrocodone tablets produces a more gradual and controlled high than injecting a comparable amount of heroin or morphine into a vein, the effects of oral medications are more controlled and less risky just based on this route of administration.

Fentanyl in particular is low-risk if eaten because it doesn’t work well when given orally. While there are formulations of fentanyl that are absorbed through the inside of the cheek or under the tongue, when swallowed it’s heavily broken down by our liver before the drug has a chance to get to the brain. As such, fentanyl isn’t manufactured as a pill or liquid to swallow.

But another layer of safety here is that fentanyl is unstable in heat. In the process of decarbing cannabis and baking, or applying heat to extract cannabinoids into an oil, the drug would be partially degraded. Fentanyl has a few different points of vulnerability—heat, ultraviolet light and even hydrogen peroxide. Even if fentanyl made it into a batch of brownies, oil or other edible medium, the heat used for baking, decarbing or extracting would erode the fentanyl steadily and surely.

Vaping cannabis, and the potential risk of vaping fentanyl in the process, is a more nuanced discussion. Fentanyl definitely can be vaped, although the process of heating it on a piece of foil and inhaling the wispy vapor that rises from it is usually called “smoking.” (I only point this out to make the distinction between this method and “smoking” by lighting a substance aflame.)

But whether fentanyl could reasonably be vaped accidentally with bud is another issue. When we vape anything, we inhale the vapor coming off of a substance that’s been heated to its boiling point. This is true even for solids, and is the science behind “smoking” crystalline solids like meth and crack. If you never heat a substance to its boiling point, it won’t produce vapor—just like if your stove never gets hot enough, a pot of water won’t boil.

Fentanyl’s boiling point is 466℃, or about 871℉. For comparison, I consulted the sites for two popular brands of vape used for cannabis: Pax and Grenco. Pax states that the hottest temperature reached by its products is 210℃. Grenco, maker of the G Pen, states that the highest setting of this device gets to 220℃.

This makes sense, as the boiling points for the desirable compounds in cannabis, like THC, CBD and the many terpenes, don’t exceed this temperature. An excessively hot device could potentially release harmful compounds, but would also be less pleasant for the user and run down the battery more quickly. So while fentanyl can be vaped, it needs high heat to get there, and the devices used to vape cannabis simply don’t get that hot.

The panic around fentanyl is not only a distraction but a missed opportunity. It’s much easier to imagine this molecule as a grinning boogeyman coming to snatch our children than it is to confront the grisly consequences of the War on Drugs and our own role in perpetuating them. You can stop worrying about fentanyl in the weed. Let’s worry about building a safe supply, opening safe consumption sites, and promoting harm reduction programming. There are plenty of real boogeymen out there.


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Re: Is Fentanyl-Tainted Marijuana ‘Something Real’ or ‘Just an Urban Legend’? [Re: veggie]
    #27554462 - 11/23/21 07:14 AM (5 days, 6 hours ago)

Headline should say black market marijuana.








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Re: Is Fentanyl-Tainted Marijuana ‘Something Real’ or ‘Just an Urban Legend’? [Re: Learyfan]
    #27554469 - 11/23/21 07:31 AM (5 days, 6 hours ago)

I really wish more people would understand how many uneducated people there are in illegal states that think they don't have a choice but to use "street weed" and often a lot of those people end up getting the cheap brick stuff that gets here from Mexico.
It is a big deal, it isn't a joke.

I tried expressing this to someone before numerous times and they just kept arrogantly proclaiming "Well, I can't see anything wrong with the weed it looks fine" even telling him "idiot, you cannot see 500mcg" especially micronized or liquified then true laced in

I'll say it one more time, if you smoke cheapo ""mids"" (it's schwag) and it comes from a guy who breaks it down out of a brick, and he has no idea where it's grown, odds are that's mexican and odds are it's contaminated. BE CAREFUL!


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Re: Is Fentanyl-Tainted Marijuana ‘Something Real’ or ‘Just an Urban Legend’? [Re: kreg]
    #27554799 - 11/23/21 12:20 PM (5 days, 1 hour ago)

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As past unfounded and harmful fears around “reefer madness,” “crack babies” and MDMA being dropped into trick-or-treat buckets illustrate, drug panic and rumors are constant—and reliably more histrionic than the actual potential harms of a given substance.




One of theories I have heard from street people is that the dealer wants to get ignorant customers addicted. Before fentanyl became a celebrity cause, they would blame PCP, LSD, and harmful additives from under the kitchen counter.

I acted "too tough" in my early drug days, and was definitely slipped some sort of stimulant with hallucinogenic qualities. It does happen in the party crowd.


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Re: Is Fentanyl-Tainted Marijuana ‘Something Real’ or ‘Just an Urban Legend’? [Re: Learyfan]
    #27554856 - 11/23/21 01:26 PM (5 days, 29 minutes ago)

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Learyfan said:
Headline should say black market marijuana.




Brought to you by the same establishment as the Stamp Act of 1937 and paraquot. :facepalm3:


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Re: Is Fentanyl-Tainted Marijuana ‘Something Real’ or ‘Just an Urban Legend’? [Re: veggie]
    #27555705 - 11/24/21 01:28 AM (4 days, 12 hours ago)

Hmm it's good to know fentanyl isn't very active orally. Is the story about those fake xanax having fentanyl in em is bs too then, or do folks shoot benzos for fun too?


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Re: Is Fentanyl-Tainted Marijuana ‘Something Real’ or ‘Just an Urban Legend’? [Re: jack_straw2208]
    #27555710 - 11/24/21 01:33 AM (4 days, 12 hours ago)

I call bs about fent in weed many other things you can put in there if you want to hook ppl. Yes dispensary weed is awesome and thank god my state has medical.


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