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Kryptos
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Stable Genius said: We don't see those people anymore because polio was eradicated in first world countries due to vaccinations.
Enjoy it while it lasts, I have a funny feeling that it will not.
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Oz_Salvia
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Stable Genius said: How long since you've been in the real world hinterland dweller? It's the era of the "Risk Assessment" now man. Best sharpen the pencil.
I left the "real world", the rat race, and young back in 2019. Got in before property shot up over 35% in this part of the world. I choose what to do any day I please. I spend a good deal of time reading company reports. That's a sharper pencil, thanks.
You'd do the same. Don't tell me you'd rather sit in a car up to 10 hours a week going-to-fro-work and then all the hours in the office with only the weekends as "your time" and scrape whatever hours or days you accrue in leave. The overwhelming majority known as the rat race slog every day to eventually get away from that; hence why they sock away super to idle their elderly autumn days. Me, I have the means to kick back over the good years to preservation and meanwhile add by concessional and non-concessional. Hey, it's been a good market to invest with the last 25 months seeing an average monthly increase of $34,433, that doesn't happen by being a dull pencil. 
I don't however have a view that medical staff who have worked many years and are tertiary trained can be so easily discarded and dismissed. They can't be readily bought off a shelf at Bunnings like the bogans you label. If you're so caviller about this go break a leg or other trauma and then front at any of our national hospitals. You'll be sitting there waiting for hours and if another comes in a worse state they'll triage you to wait some more.
Curiously this meme was doing the rounds across social media back when the medical staff had no Moderna, Pfizer or AZ, and even their PPE was plain lacking. They served selflessly not knowing if they'd live or die from CV19 and have been demonised thanks to the media spin from hero to zero.

As for polio, I've known older people who had that as children and ended up crippled and in wheel chairs. It's tragic. I'm not here to argue against vaccinations having had numerous per OS travel. I'm looking forward to travel again as I have family in the UK.
But are you telling me that if one has a jab they'll never be a carrier? The jab is purely for the health of the jabbed. Nothing more. Some people think when they're double-jabbed they're now something worthy of adoration. Really?! They put in a mere 30 minutes of their day, twice, several weeks apart, and now they're societal heroes? I guess such sad puppies need validation having achieved no success.
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#27550543 - 11/20/21 12:51 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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You've drawn a few wide arcs there with your reasoning. Me being caviller about hospital capacity? No that's not the case at all and I did not call any hospital workers bogans.
And it appears you've never completed a risk assessment before which would answer why you don't understand the logic behind businesses choosing to do this. Geez how do you read company reports?
My medical understanding, as an electrician, is that the jab DOES help stop transmission as the person doing the transmitting won't have the viral load as someone unvaccinated... but I'm happy to have that explained better by someone who is qualified to do so.
And as someone who has no need to travel overseas anymore and also has a blood platelet problem that did put me at risk with getting Astra Zeneca, yes I am proud I got the jab, for myself, for the community, for anyone wanting to travel again, and as a human. A path out of this using vaccines is what humans a lot smarter than me have said is the best plan so I'll listen to the doctors, not the 5% fringe element. The 5% fringe element are part of the problem not part of the answer.
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But are you telling me that if one has a jab they'll never be a carrier?
No nobody is saying that. Why do you keep saying that? 100,000 people have died in he United States in the last three months BECAUSE THEY WEREN’T VACCINATED. Everyone is being held hostage by the unvaccinated and their covid fragility.
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Some people think when they're double-jabbed they're now something worthy of adoration. Really?! They put in a mere 30 minutes of their day, twice, several weeks apart, and now they're societal heroes? I guess such sad puppies need validation having achieved no success. 
No, it’s just doing what needs to be done. Like you said it’s easy as fuck. A lot easier than spending days or weeks in a hospital because you were too arrogant and selfish to spend that half hour protecting themselves and helping end the pandemic. Don’t confuse the disgust for the unvaccinated for adoration of the vaccinated.
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Oz_Salvia
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#27550638 - 11/20/21 03:53 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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But are you telling me that if one has a jab they'll never be a carrier?
No nobody is saying that. Why do you keep saying that? 100,000 people have died in he United States in the last three months BECAUSE THEY WEREN’T VACCINATED. Everyone is being held hostage by the unvaccinated and their covid fragility.
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Some people think when they're double-jabbed they're now something worthy of adoration. Really?! They put in a mere 30 minutes of their day, twice, several weeks apart, and now they're societal heroes? I guess such sad puppies need validation having achieved no success. 
No, it’s just doing what needs to be done. Like you said it’s easy as fuck. A lot easier than spending days or weeks in a hospital because you were too arrogant and selfish to spend that half hour protecting themselves and helping end the pandemic. Don’t confuse the disgust for the unvaccinated for adoration of the vaccinated.
Sounds like you're conflicted there koods. On one hand you're disgusted by the unvaxxed, then lamenting the death of 100-thouand of them. So, tell me, are you complaining or braggin'?
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Stable Genius said: You've drawn a few wide arcs there with your reasoning. Me being caviller about hospital capacity? No that's not the case at all and I did not call any hospital workers bogans.
And it appears you've never completed a risk assessment before which would answer why you don't understand the logic behind businesses choosing to do this. Geez how do you read company reports?
My medical understanding, as an electrician, is that the jab DOES help stop transmission as the person doing the transmitting won't have the viral load as someone unvaccinated... but I'm happy to have that explained better by someone who is qualified to do so.
And as someone who has no need to travel overseas anymore and also has a blood platelet problem that did put me at risk with getting Astra Zeneca, yes I am proud I got the jab, for myself, for the community, for anyone wanting to travel again, and as a human. A path out of this using vaccines is what humans a lot smarter than me have said is the best plan so I'll listen to the doctors, not the 5% fringe element. The 5% fringe element are part of the problem not part of the answer.
I'm not so sure it's a mere "5%" give today's turnout across numerous cities.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10223847/Thousands-freedom-protesters-gather-13-Australian-cities-coordinated-day-chaos-against-Covid-19-vaccinate-mandates-defiant-Melburnians-fed-months-violent-rallies-storm-CBD-oppose-them.html
ScoMo knows a federal is coming so he's siding this "5%". 
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/breaking-news/i-do-not-need-to-be-lectured-by-scott-morrison-dan-andrews-savages-pm-over-covid-commentary/news-story/1d0b33a85fd3d9310bf37c348bae6644
"The Prime Minister infuriated senior state figures following his comments on vaccine mandates when he declared: “It’s time for governments to step back and for Australians to take their lives back.”
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#27550656 - 11/20/21 04:39 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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My medical understanding, as an electrician, is that the jab DOES help stop transmission as the person doing the transmitting won't have the viral load as someone unvaccinated... but I'm happy to have that explained better by someone who is qualified to do so.
The main reason it prevents transmission is that you’re 4-25x less likely to get infected in the first place, depending on what vaccine and how recently you were vaccinated.
When a person who has acquired immunity does get infected, it only takes a day or two before the body gets flooded with antibodies that clear the virus. People without previous exposure take a week or more to clear the virus.
Infections in the vaccinated also tend to not spread outside the upper respiratory tract, and without coughing the amount of virus being expelled is much less. There is some doubt that the measured viral loads in vaccinated people is actually equivalent to unvaccinated since the pcr tests cannot actually tell the condition of the viral RNA it is detecting - dead virus or infectious virus. A lot of the virus in a vaccinated person don’t make it out of cells intact. The cells full of virus get destroyed and all that non infectious RNA ends up in the mucus lining the respiratory tract.
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#27550665 - 11/20/21 05:06 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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thanks koods
We live in a rich country but our healthcare system hasn't got a lot of capacity, particularly beds, which I'm sure you'll agree Oz_Salvia. Because we have had next to no widespread transmission, when our borders open in a couple weeks time a vaccination rate in the 80% range still isn't high enough to stop the strain our hospitals are about to see... another fact lost on the anti-vaxers. Yeah it won't worry ScoMo, he can read the tea leaves and will take full advantage of people's covid weariness whilst taking zero responsibility for the hospital numbers as they are a state responsibility.
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thanks koods
We live in a rich country but our healthcare system hasn't got a lot of capacity, particularly beds, which I'm sure you'll agree Oz_Salvia. Because we have had next to no widespread transmission, when our borders open in a couple weeks time a vaccination rate in the 80% range still isn't high enough to stop the strain our hospitals are about to see... another fact lost on the anti-vaxers. Yeah it won't worry ScoMo, he can read the tea leaves and will take full advantage of people's covid weariness whilst taking zero responsibility for the hospital numbers as they are a state responsibility.
I agree it will overwhelm our hospitals. The longer problem is long haul covid (LHC) so it will be a continued pressure on the hospital purse for years to come. To prevent all of this would require mandates and the problem there is societal control. I'm not a fan of fascistic measures and the massive protests today indicate the population isn't either. It should be realised that the maximum dissidents Australia can repress is about 100-thousand. Today's simultaneous protests across numerous cities has certainly dwarfed that. The future in this may well see the end of Medicare as the cost will blow out on LHC. We will return to an age where it is user-pay. That will be tough on the poor.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Oz_Salvia]
#27550676 - 11/20/21 05:48 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not mandating a vaccine that will prevent mass suffering and protect the healthcare system would be a act of cowardice and a moral failing. Your country has the power to essentially get through the pandemic without any mass casualties. The vaccine resistance is a threat to the stability of the country. It’s time to stop indulging the antivaxxers. In every western country they are preventing society from returning to normal. Lock them down and open up the rest of society, and don’t let them leave their houses until they fucking grow up. Until they are vaxxed, everyone is going to suffer continued lock downs and restrictions. The unvaccinated don’t have the right to fuck up everyone else’s lives.
My county is going back to a mask mandate starting this morning because we have to fucking protect the people who won’t protect themselves. I’m fucking sick of it. Time to strap them down. Honestly we should just let them fucking die at this point. We’d all be better off without these cretins anyways. There’s probably not enough of them around here to do much damage to the healthcare system. All future restrictions need to apply only to the unvaccinated. The vaccinated have done their part and aren’t at any significant risk.
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#27550690 - 11/20/21 06:07 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's impossible trying to reason with anti-vaxer's when the facts aren't even enough.
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Imagine rioting and burning vehicles because you’re mad about having to get a shot or two.
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#27550735 - 11/20/21 07:08 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Imagine BLM rioting, burning buildings, assaulting people and murdering as a way to protest violence.
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That's actually not hard to imagine. When all of the people with black skin automatically get to be lesser burning some shit actually is pretty minor.
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It’s funny how last years “all you have to do is comply” crowd is this years “I will not comply” crowd
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#27550982 - 11/20/21 10:38 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I play poker every day in a crowded room full of unmasked people in florida. I have for a couple months without getting covid. Anecdotally, it seems like the vaccines work pretty damn well at preventing infection to me. I'm 100% certain that I've been exposed to the virus many times in that span but I don't sweat it because having been infected, recovered and vaccinated previously, new exposure is much like a booster shot. It's nice to know that if someone coughs on the other side of the table I won't have to deal with 2 days of tachycardia like I did at the beginning of 2020.
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#27551023 - 11/20/21 11:14 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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The one person I know who got covid after vaccination for the J&J and I warned him months ago he needed another shot. Other vaccinated people have literally slept in the same bed with a sick person and not been infected. It doesn’t look like the vaccines have continued to lose efficacy at all during this delta wave. The percentage of weekly infections has been steady for months at around 20% and that’s with more people getting vaccinated over time. I think most people are still immune to infection, and a minority just never had a great immune response. I think the third shot will last more than a year of sterilizing immunity and much of the loss of efficacy has been due to not waiting two months or more between the first two.
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RJ Tubs 202 said: Imagine BLM rioting, burning buildings, assaulting people and murdering as a way to protest violence.
Yeah, that actually makes a lot of sense. Committing violence in response to violence is what we here call "self defense".
You don't want to have your shit burnt down? Try not killing people. It's pretty simple, really.
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#27551143 - 11/20/21 12:42 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Don't make him think so hard; he might hurt himself.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Kryptos]
#27551588 - 11/20/21 07:24 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kryptos said:
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RJ Tubs 202 said: Imagine BLM rioting, burning buildings, assaulting people and murdering as a way to protest violence.
Yeah, that actually makes a lot of sense. Committing violence in response to violence is what we here call "self defense".
You don't want to have your shit burnt down? Try not killing people. It's pretty simple, really.
It's generally only self-defense when conservative people do it. It's almost impossible for it to be self-defense if black people do it.
On a related topic, I hope we see civil action against Kyle Rittenhouse. I meant litigation, but any other civil action would do. The burden of proof is relaxed quite a bit in a civil vs criminal trial. This worked on OJ. I doubt that the supporters who ponied up millions for Kyle's case are going to keep paying his bills, but I could be wrong about that.
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