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OfflineMushyMom
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Clemency for Julius Jones
    #27548250 - 11/18/21 11:37 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Wouldn’t it be cheaper and easier to just get rid of the death penalty?


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Re: Clemency for Julius Jones [Re: MushyMom]
    #27548262 - 11/18/21 11:47 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Might be cheaper, but that doesn’t mean it’s in the best interest of the public.

I understand where you’re coming from, and I’m conflicted about the death penalty, still, if somebody murdered anyone near and dear to me I’d probably want them executed.

If you can imagine to yourself that your child fell victim to a heinous crime, and you can honestly see yourself being okay with letting the perpetrator live, then you truly are an advocate for abolishing the death penalty.

I can’t see myself forgiving or being okay. If it happened to my family, even for lesser crimes than murder, I would try to arrange to have the culprit shanked to death in prison.

Edited by Altered Beast (11/18/21 11:52 AM)

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Re: Clemency for Julius Jones [Re: Altered Beast]
    #27548293 - 11/18/21 12:13 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

What about the execution of people wrongly convicted? How would you feel if a close friend/relative who you know is innocent, ends up being executed for a crime he/she never committed? It happens, as you can see in this link

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/innocence/executed-but-possibly-innocent

And in the meantime, those who actually committed the crime can laugh at the execution of an innocent person and the fact that, since the case was closed with the execution, they will not face any future consequences for that particular crime.

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Re: Clemency for Julius Jones [Re: VP123]
    #27548316 - 11/18/21 12:34 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

I said I was conflicted. A principle of the law is supposedly that it’s better for a guilty person to get away than it is for an innocent person to be convicted.

As horrific as it is for an innocent person to be executed, they are the exceptions not the rule. The guilt of the majority of people currently on death row isn’t questionable.

If something happened to someone close to me I’d want the culprit put to death, whether the state or a hitman or (preferably) myself did the killing.

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Re: Clemency for Julius Jones [Re: Altered Beast]
    #27548335 - 11/18/21 12:55 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

It’s a great theory but the entire system is so flawed.  It winds up costing more all around and doesn’t seem to be much of a deterrent.  From a cost/benefit standpoint, it seems like a waste.

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Re: Clemency for Julius Jones [Re: MushyMom]
    #27548352 - 11/18/21 01:07 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Running a society according to a literal cost basis has proven to be an incredible disaster over the last 40 years, morally, environmentally, and, paradoxically enough, fiscally.

Deterrent or no deterrent, there’s a part of the human spirit that demands vengeance, and it’s not a part of myself I’m willing to deaden for the sake of civility or society or anyone else.

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Re: Clemency for Julius Jones [Re: MushyMom] * 2
    #27548564 - 11/18/21 04:39 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Yes it would be cheaper to get rid of the death penalty. Then there is the issue of executing innocent people. Then there is the issue of a state executing anyone, since it does not deter crime. Altered Beast argues abolishing capital punishment may not be in the public interest. I'm not going to be overly critical of him because he's debating rationally, nondogmatically and admits to being conflicted on the issue. I agree with him that if somebody does great harm to someone I care about, I would like to kill them. But I wouldn't. And friends and relatives of murder victims are not a proxy for the public. I don't think capital pumishment is in the public interest.


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Re: Clemency for Julius Jones [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27550725 - 11/20/21 06:56 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

I think he should be released from prison an we should get rid of the death penalty as well its has no use.

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Re: Clemency for Julius Jones [Re: Mach z 800]
    #27554763 - 11/23/21 09:57 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think I would say it has no use .
  I never felt it was something that was intended to serve or benefit  society as a whole in any way .
 
  I always thought it's something that  is just for the victims , the close relatives or the people really affected by the loss of a loved one .
  If someone kills my wife and kids theres only going to be one thing that I will ever want for the rest of my life .
  To kill the motherfucker that did it .
    If the state kills the person who murdered them , 
  what does that have to do with you ?
  That's my justice , you aren't part of it .


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Re: Clemency for Julius Jones [Re: Psilynut2]
    #27554794 - 11/23/21 10:18 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Just wanna chime in here and say that if you’re starting sentences like “I’m opposed to the death penalty except for..” you don’t oppose the death penalty.


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Re: Clemency for Julius Jones [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #27554816 - 11/23/21 10:43 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

It's easy to understand the psychology of the victim's family. They are obviously disturbed. We shouldn't be making important social policy based on their psychology.


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Re: Clemency for Julius Jones [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27554822 - 11/23/21 10:51 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

The other day I saw a guy wearing a shirt that said "We kill people that kill people" and I was like


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Re: Clemency for Julius Jones [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27554829 - 11/23/21 11:01 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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It's easy to understand the psychology of the victim's family. They are obviously disturbed. We shouldn't be making important social policy based on their psychology.




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Re: Clemency for Julius Jones [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27554925 - 11/23/21 12:12 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

It's disturbing to me to think that if someone murdered you , you would want that person reformed so they can have a second chance , and your cool with your family paying for it . 
  You guys are way better people than me though ....


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Re: Clemency for Julius Jones [Re: Psilynut2]
    #27554973 - 11/23/21 12:35 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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It's disturbing to me to think that if someone murdered you , you would want that person reformed so they can have a second chance , and your cool with your family paying for it . 
  You guys are way better people than me though ....




It’s disturbing to me that you think “I oppose the death penalty” means “I want murderers to go free.”


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Re: Clemency for Julius Jones [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27555011 - 11/23/21 01:03 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

What  would you want for my murderers then ? Since what I would want would be too much for you .


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Re: Clemency for Julius Jones [Re: Psilynut2]
    #27555169 - 11/23/21 03:03 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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What  would you want for my murderers then ? Since what I would want would be too much for you .


id want them to be ran threw a wood chipper slowly.

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Re: Clemency for Julius Jones [Re: Psilynut2]
    #27555217 - 11/23/21 03:50 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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It's disturbing to me to think that if someone murdered you , you would want that person reformed so they can have a second chance




Why?

That's my reasoning, too. Why? Why would I want that person to die for it? Personally, in that scenario, I'm dead. I don't give a fuck anymore. There's nothing you can do to the guy that killed me that will change that. At this point, it becomes entirely a question of the safety of the people that are still alive. There are many solutions to that problem, and I happen to think that reformation is the best of them.

Killing is weird like that. Stealing? Yeah, I'd want my shit back. But you can't give me back life. That kind of makes the whole endeavor pointless, in my mind. Death penalty, or life in prison, doesn't really provide a solution. Nothing really provides me with a solution to death. If you can't provide a solution, then do the next best thing: some of what I would do. I like to think that the overall tone of my life is motivated by some desire for general welfare, and so the best way to help that is to turn a killer into a positive force within society.

Now, I use the word killing, while you use the word murder. Murder is a very specific form of killing, i.e., "unjust" killing.

I don't see a distinction between different forms of killing. Society says that a soldier that kills in combat is a hero, a person that kills in self defense has done a great thing, and the guy that randomly shoots you is a criminal. The outcome is the same in every case, but the motivation is different. I don't really care about motivation, I care about results. Nobody cares how you feel, we want raps.

These distinctions are, in my opinion, arbitrary and growing seemingly more capricious.

Heroic soldiers are rare. Most soldiers are, at worst, conscripts that are being coerced into picking up a gun at gunpoint, and at best, people that are have the ever so respectable veneer of having their coercion be financial. Chances are that a hero soldier didn't kill a half-dozen hero soldiers. Chances are the hero soldier just killed a half-dozen average dudes that just want to get through this unfortunate part of their life alive.

The guy that kills someone in self defense, in my view, rarely has to. I actually have trouble visualizing a realistic case where someone absolutely must kill in self defense and simply cannot make any decisions to avoid the situation, except for like, some crazy guy deciding that you, specifically, must die for no reason at all. In literally every case of justified self defense I've ever heard, there was either the option to retreat, an overreaction, or the guy committing a self defense made a series of decisions to put themself in danger. To me, even the conscious choice to carry a weapon in self defense signifies that you have decided to kill your way out of a situation instead of taking any other opportunity to resolve it peacefully. You are already discounting the possibilities of either fleeing or not putting yourself in a dangerous situation to begin with.

The guy that walks up to you and shoots you in the street is the crazy guy that decided to kill you for no reason from the above paragraph. You cannot stop that guy. You don't know when someone will snap and kill some people. The only way to prevent that guy is to disarm him, and that means disarming everybody. Because anybody could be that guy. The difference between someone exercising their constitutional rights and the murderer is your dead body. And, of course, the aforementioned snapping. Which, of course, people can see coming. It's like after every school shooting the surviving students are like "yeah, everyone knew that guy was totally gonna shoot up the school" The not-surviving students presumably have trouble making noises that don't involve violent defecation and gurgling. Since we have successfully built a fragmented society ruled by capitalism, which destroys natural human bonds and forcibly replaces them with methods of generating revenue, we don't see the crazy guy coming outside of fairly close-knit communities, and we don't get them whatever help they need.

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and your cool with your family paying for it .




My family would be paying for the death penalty or for life in prison, too. Death penalty happens to be, by far, the most expensive option. Reforming the killer happens to be the least expensive option.

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What  would you want for my murderers then ? Since what I would want would be too much for you .




Ideally, I'd want them to be shown more productive outlets for their energy. I kinda want the same for...basically everybody. But, again, capitalism demands that some people never realize their talents because they are not profitable enough.

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Re: Clemency for Julius Jones [Re: Kryptos]
    #27555251 - 11/23/21 04:02 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Would it be ok for me to kill the person who is trying to murder me  or is my life not worth their chance  at self improvement and a more productive life style ?  If it is ,
  why is it so wrong for someone else to kill them on my behalf later ?


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Re: Clemency for Julius Jones [Re: MushyMom]
    #27555267 - 11/23/21 04:10 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

To be honest, I have no problem with the death penalty. I'd like to be against it intellectually, but I have less than zero sympathy for the people who end up there, so it's hard for me to be against it. Emotionally, I actually like Japan's methods where they never tell you when you're going to be executed, and it could be at any time. One day the door just opens, and within minutes you're hanging. I like how it keeps people on death row in perpetual fear every moment of every day of their lives until the end.

I have a big problem with murderers being released from jail. If you murder someone, you should spend the rest of your life in jail, period, no exceptions.

I have no interest in deterrence, I have interest in removing people from society who murder people. However that happens is fine. Intellectually, I agree with all the arguments against the death penalty, but emotionally I like it.

Even if you get rid of the death penalty, I think our punishment for murderers should be significantly more severe than it is now. They should never, ever get out.

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Re: Clemency for Julius Jones [Re: Psilynut2]
    #27555276 - 11/23/21 04:14 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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Would it be ok for me to kill the person who is trying to murder me  or is my life not worth their chance  at self improvement and a more productive life style ?  If it is ,
  why is it so wrong for someone else to kill them on my behalf later ?





No it would not.

Because, once again, it represents a failure to resolve the situation without killing. You did not run, you did not hide, you chose to kill.

The crazy guy that shoots you dead in the street scenario I proposed, you do not get to react. It is a random dude walking up behind you with a gun and shooting you in the back of the head without warning. You cannot stop him with any form of "self defense". We have reached a point, technologically and second amendment-ly, where if someone wants you to die, you will die and there is nothing you can do about it. This isn't a James Bond villain monologue situation. This is a professional sniper sitting on a roof a mile away situation.

"Self Defense". Reminds me of how the Defense Department spent 20 years Defending themselves in Iraq/Afghanistan. And Iraq. And Vietnam. And Korea. And everywhere else, except the actual US, which they "defend".

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Even if you get rid of the death penalty, I think our punishment for murderers should be significantly more severe than it is now. They should never, ever get out.




What do you hope to accomplish through this? If it is simply removal from society, then why not death penalty, or shipping them to an island somewhere?

And, of course, what's the mistake tolerance of your preferred removal method? Because mistakes will be made. How many mistakes, as a number or as a percentage, can we make?

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Re: Clemency for Julius Jones [Re: Kryptos]
    #27555525 - 11/23/21 08:08 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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We have reached a point, technologically and second amendment-ly, where if someone wants you to die, you will die and there is nothing you can do about it.




    Why does that matter ? It doesn't make a difference to my wife and kids after I'm dead if it was a professional hit man or a  or an amateur armed robber like Julius Jones .
    I don't want my family to feel victimized by the State a second time when they watch them help my killer discover new outlets for his energy .


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Re: Clemency for Julius Jones [Re: Psilynut2]
    #27555581 - 11/23/21 08:56 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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    I don't want my family to feel victimized by the State a second time when they watch them help my killer discover new outlets for his energy .




Why do you see that as a victimization by the state? Or how? That's a genuine question. I want to understand your thought process.

Personally, whenever I am somehow wronged, I don't really think about that person anymore. When actively considering, I can come up with a list of a few names and faces that I would just avoid. But I don't really think about what they're doing, it's just "yeah, fuck that guy". If that guy turns out to be some genius that cures cancer, good for him, but, ya know, fuck that guy. I still wouldn't get a beer with him.

I imagine I'd feel the same way about someone that killed someone I knew. If they do something good with their lives, good for them, as long as they're doing it elsewhere in relation to me. I figure it's the state's job to (a) make productive citizens and (b) enforce the "elsewhere in relation to me" bit if necessary.

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Re: Clemency for Julius Jones [Re: Psilynut2]
    #27556451 - 11/24/21 02:55 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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Would it be ok for me to kill the person who is trying to murder me  or is my life not worth their chance  at self improvement and a more productive life style ?  If it is ,
  why is it so wrong for someone else to kill them on my behalf later ?



There's a huge difference between taking action to stop someone from being harmed and taking action in retaliation.  Your argument of equivalence is intellectually dishonest, at best.  If you must take a life under exigent circumstances to protect yourself or someone else, that's still homicide, although it's justifiable.  To dispassionately kill someone who is locked away from the public is a whole other ball of wax, and I think you know that.

Also, there's a lot of real estate between not killing someone and helping them find new outlets for their energy.  I'm not sure why you are arguing that it's one or the other.


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Re: Clemency for Julius Jones [Re: Psilynut2]
    #27557251 - 11/25/21 07:25 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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What  would you want for my murderers then ? Since what I would want would be too much for you .




Would depend on a lot of factors.


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Re: Clemency for Julius Jones [Re: Enlil]
    #27557512 - 11/25/21 11:12 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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Also, there's a lot of real estate between not killing someone and helping them find new outlets for their energy.  I'm not sure why you are arguing that it's one or the other.




    I'm not arguing that. I asked the question " what would you want for the person that murdered you ?
  The only answers I got were " new  outlets for energy and fed slowly into wood chipper . ""
  I'm not sure there's anything in between . 
   
  I don't think the death penalty deters crime . You will get killed for killing someone has always been the deal .
  I don't think it benefits society in any way either really .
  To me it's the only way to give people justice in certain cases that are just so extreme and nonsensical .
  I also don't think anyone that kills anyone should get it .  I wouldn't want it for Rittenhouse or Arberys killer either.
  But if what Julius Jones is accused of doing is true then I think he's a good example of someone who is past  due .


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Re: Clemency for Julius Jones [Re: Psilynut2]
    #27557556 - 11/25/21 11:35 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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Why do you see that as a victimization by the state? Or how? That's a genuine question. I want to understand your thought process.

Personally, whenever I am somehow wronged, I don't really think about that person anymore.




  How do you think the family of the person who was killed in the Julius Jones Case feels right now ?  They are obviously pissed the fuck off .
  Jones is a reformed person , who's getting a second chance .


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    #27557721 - 11/25/21 02:55 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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Why do you see that as a victimization by the state? Or how? That's a genuine question. I want to understand your thought process.

Personally, whenever I am somehow wronged, I don't really think about that person anymore.




  How do you think the family of the person who was killed in the Julius Jones Case feels right now ?  They are obviously pissed the fuck off .
  Jones is a reformed person , who's getting a second chance .




I don't know how they feel. However, if they're anything like me, I don't think they care. I think they would go out of their way to actively not care, just like I would. For me, I don't involve myself with the lives of people that I am pissed off at. I have better things to do with my time.

This kinda vaguely reminds me of how Tubs or choppy or mach come by once in a while and announce that democrats can't stop talking about Trump kinda randomly out of the blue. I guess now that he has been brought up, we are, but I kinda stopped caring about him back in January, when he stopped being president. (outside of specific examples of various personal failings which Trump embodies perfectly)

As an aside, I never actually looked into the case until now. And while my understanding is surface level, I really do like this bit I found:

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They also told the board that inmate Roderick Wesley was diagnosed as having Antisocial Personality Disorder.

"Lying is a hallmark of ASPD and Roderick Wesley is no exception," they wrote.

"Jordan said to me 'my co-defendant is on death row behind a murder I committed,'" Wesley said in the statement given to the parole board. "He was acting like he was sorry for what he had done but he said that he was not going to jump out there and give himself up to the wolves."



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Re: Clemency for Julius Jones [Re: Kryptos]
    #27557831 - 11/25/21 05:40 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't know how they feel. However, if they're anything like me, I don't think they care.




You looked into the case ? Do even know the victims name ? Or is he not important anymore
  ?  His family has a website , with allot of compelling info about Jones's guilt , that's been proven over and over . 
  At best , Julius was a career armed robber , who just had the night off  when the poor guy was shot in his car in front of his wife and kids .
 
    I care , allot . My life means allot to me , If someone killed my wife , my kids , or even you I would want to see the dead too .
  Time wouldn't make any difference to me . There are are a few people I knew in high school I'd fight right now if I saw them .


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    #27557859 - 11/25/21 06:29 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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There are are a few people I knew in high school I'd fight right now if I saw them .




Okay, yeah, this here is a foreign concept to me. I would never risk my freedom, safety, and considering second amendment, life; for someone I don't like.

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Re: Clemency for Julius Jones [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27558366 - 11/26/21 11:36 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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We have reached a point, technologically and second amendment-ly, where if someone wants you to die, you will die and there is nothing you can do about it.




    Why does that matter ? It doesn't make a difference to my wife and kids after I'm dead if it was a professional hit man or a  or an amateur armed robber like Julius Jones .
    I don't want my family to feel victimized by the State a second time when they watch them help my killer discover new outlets for his energy .



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What  would you want for my murderers then ? Since what I would want would be too much for you .




Would depend on a lot of factors.


yep an if its something national an the media spins things the killer will have a go fund me page an will be out as fast as he got in.

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Re: Clemency for Julius Jones [Re: Kryptos]
    #27558385 - 11/26/21 12:00 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Rehabilitation for certain criminals is appropriate. But if someone without a shred of doubt commits murder (other than self defense) they should be put to death. I don't care if they feel remorseful or could even change their train of thought to not kill again....I would say "that's nice of you, but you should've considered that before doing what you did"

Prison nor the death penalty is a deterrent to most criminals. Doesn't mean that we shouldn't have them. People choose to break the law, unless they are truly mentally handicapped they should have consequences appropriate to the crime committed.

That being said; I have a hard time with the death penalty because of wrongful convictions. Pretty conflicting topic to me.

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    #27558446 - 11/26/21 01:11 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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yep an if its something national an the media spins things the killer will have a go fund me page an will be out as fast as he got in.




Just look at Rittenhouse. Kill two people, wound a third, and you've got a ready-made life in politics.

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    #27559306 - 11/27/21 08:58 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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yep an if its something national an the media spins things the killer will have a go fund me page an will be out as fast as he got in.




Just look at Rittenhouse. Kill two people, wound a third, and you've got a ready-made life in politics.


well kyle had his right to defend him self from pedifiles attacking him.

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    #27563735 - 11/30/21 07:44 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

It's too bad we can't fight illiteracy with guns .


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    #27564155 - 12/01/21 04:48 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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It's too bad we can't fight illiteracy with guns .


well its the facts the people he shot were criminals an they got what they deserved. Play stupid games you win stupid prizes.

Lol hey i guess in the woke left world pedifiles are protected an misunderstood people lol.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/californiaglobe.com/legislature/ca-democrats-author-bill-to-protect-sex-offenders-who-lure-minors/amp/


CA Democrats Author Bill to Protect Sex Offenders Who Lure MinorsNo sex offender registry if perpetrator within 10 years of age of the minor

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    #27564233 - 12/01/21 07:10 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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well its the facts the people he shot were criminals an they got what they deserved. Play stupid games you win stupid prizes




    You can legally shoot someone for throwing a paper bag at you and then shoot the people who try to stop you from running away but I will still call you a fucking coward and a worthless piece of shit , to your face .
  All I saw was a fucking scared little bitch , running away.
 
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      I think all that law does is give a judge discretion in certain cases . It doesn't protect anyone .


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    #27564483 - 12/01/21 09:54 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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well its the facts the people he shot were criminals an they got what they deserved. Play stupid games you win stupid prizes




    You can legally shoot someone for throwing a paper bag at you and then shoot the people who try to stop you from running away but I will still call you a fucking coward and a worthless piece of shit , to your face .
  All I saw was a fucking scared little bitch , running away.
 
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CA Democrats Author Bill to Protect Sex Offenders Who Lure MinorsNo sex offender registry if perpetrator within 10 years of age of the minor



   
      I think all that law does is give a judge discretion in certain cases . It doesn't protect anyone .



Another keyboard warrior!!!!!

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    #27564546 - 12/01/21 10:36 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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well its the facts the people he shot were criminals an they got what they deserved. Play stupid games you win stupid prizes




    You can legally shoot someone for throwing a paper bag at you and then shoot the people who try to stop you from running away but I will still call you a fucking coward and a worthless piece of shit , to your face .
  All I saw was a fucking scared little bitch , running away.
 
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CA Democrats Author Bill to Protect Sex Offenders Who Lure MinorsNo sex offender registry if perpetrator within 10 years of age of the minor



   
      I think all that law does is give a judge discretion in certain cases . It doesn't protect anyone .


lol so your fine with sex offenders attacking minors an not defending your self?

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    #27564712 - 12/01/21 12:52 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Holy  jewface fucking christ . What in the hell are you talking about ?


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    #27565661 - 12/02/21 04:51 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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Holy  jewface fucking christ . What in the hell are you talking about ?


its a simple question. What i got from your rant was kyle should of  tooken his beating an not defend him self from the criminals attacking him an allow his gun to be put in the wrong hands of people who dont know how to handle it.

So if some criminals kicks the door of your house are you going to hand over the keys to your porsche over an any valuables they could use like you guys are best friends lol? Oh yes dont forget oh heres a spare key just incase you want any thing else.

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    #27565702 - 12/02/21 06:04 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

A simple question ? You rambled some stupid shit about sex offenders.

All I said was he ran like a bitch .
  That's what you would do to right ? Run all the way home to your mom? Lol .
  I said it was justified . It was also least manly display of self defense the world has ever seen. I'm not surprised you like it though .

  I can't greet the robbers of my house with cookies and milk if I'm 2 states away protecting some random car dealership with a gun I'm not supposed to have .


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A simple question ? You rambled some stupid shit about sex offenders.

All I said was he ran like a bitch .
  That's what you would do to right ? Run all the way home to your mom? Lol .
  I said it was justified . It was also least manly display of self defense the world has ever seen. I'm not surprised you like it though .

  I can't greet the robbers of my house with cookies and milk if I'm 2 states away protecting some random car dealership with a gun I'm not supposed to have .


lol well the gun he has was legit for him to have. Think the leftists are more mad they were not able to control the out come of the this case an then him being found not guilty 🤔.

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    #27565753 - 12/02/21 07:10 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

That's not what bothers me . When I was growing up there was allot of pride to be had if you handled you business with your fists and didn't just start shooting when shit got real .
    I couldn't live with myself if I shot someone over the danger he was in .

  I don't usually need someone else to buy guns for me that I am supposed to have . I put on my big boy pants and I walk into the store all by myself , and my mom waits in the car .


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