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ambc
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My take on this cultivation debate is that if you take some mycellium from a spot while it is fruiting, put it into a container just to harvest the current/potential fruit from this existing mycellial mass doesn't really count as cultivation without one or more of these additional measures: -Adding fresh substrate into the container towards/at the end the season (or anytime I guess, but some species might not keep fruiting if supplied with alot of new uncolonized substrate). -Using the myc to inoculate a new outdoor bed after fruiting stops and hopefully after expanding the mycellium several times with new substrate. -Collecting spores from fruits produced by captured mycellium and proceeding to grow from them. -Using the stem butts or other tissue(s) from the mushrooms to begin generating fresh mycellium. -Or whatever other methods of intentional propagation or attempted propagation are used.
Just taking a large chunk of a patch so that travel is reduced/eliminated or so other hunters cant get at it, then discarding whenever it appears that it has finished serving it's purpose, is just harvesting with especially high potential for harm or destruction of the existing patch. If a new "wild" patch is inadvertently created by the act of discarding the mycellium, it would only be propagation, not cultivation because it was not intentional.
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RiparianZoneJunky
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Re: First Ovoid Pins in Indoor Grow Project [Re: ambc]
#18032849 - 03/30/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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ambc said: My take on this cultivation debate is that if you take some mycellium from a spot while it is fruiting, put it into a container just to harvest the current/potential fruit from this existing mycellial mass doesn't really count as cultivation without one or more of these additional measures: -Adding fresh substrate into the container towards/at the end the season (or anytime I guess, but some species might not keep fruiting if supplied with alot of new uncolonized substrate). -Using the myc to inoculate a new outdoor bed after fruiting stops and hopefully after expanding the mycellium several times with new substrate. -Collecting spores from fruits produced by captured mycellium and proceeding to grow from them. -Using the stem butts or other tissue(s) from the mushrooms to begin generating fresh mycellium. -Or whatever other methods of intentional propagation or attempted propagation are used.
Just taking a large chunk of a patch so that travel is reduced/eliminated or so other hunters cant get at it, then discarding whenever it appears that it has finished serving it's purpose, is just harvesting with especially high potential for harm or destruction of the existing patch. If a new "wild" patch is inadvertently created by the act of discarding the mycellium, it would only be propagation, not cultivation because it was not intentional.
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maynardjameskeenan
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Re: First Ovoid Pins in Indoor Grow Project [Re: ambc]
#18033406 - 03/30/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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ambc said: My take on this cultivation debate is that if you take some mycellium from a spot while it is fruiting, put it into a container just to harvest the current/potential fruit from this existing mycellial mass doesn't really count as cultivation without one or more of these additional measures: -Adding fresh substrate into the container towards/at the end the season (or anytime I guess, but some species might not keep fruiting if supplied with alot of new uncolonized substrate). -Using the myc to inoculate a new outdoor bed after fruiting stops and hopefully after expanding the mycellium several times with new substrate. -Collecting spores from fruits produced by captured mycellium and proceeding to grow from them. -Using the stem butts or other tissue(s) from the mushrooms to begin generating fresh mycellium. -Or whatever other methods of intentional propagation or attempted propagation are used.
Just taking a large chunk of a patch so that travel is reduced/eliminated or so other hunters cant get at it, then discarding whenever it appears that it has finished serving it's purpose, is just harvesting with especially high potential for harm or destruction of the existing patch. If a new "wild" patch is inadvertently created by the act of discarding the mycellium, it would only be propagation, not cultivation because it was not intentional.
Well put.
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koods
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Well, the little mushroom started to shrivel so I pulled it. Put it in some moist paper towel, and went off to show a friend. When I opened the towel, it looked like someone has left a blue marker in there instead. The mushroom was black, and the all the paper touching it had been stained blue. Never seen that much wick off. No pic since I didn't have my camera.
Wonder if it had more psilocin tha usual because it was small, or had a hard life, or good substrate or just some good genetics. Regardless, doesn't really have any practical implication unless some more come up. Probably have natural sources before then at this rate.
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Anglerfish
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Re: First Ovoid Pins in Indoor Grow Project [Re: koods]
#18036406 - 03/31/13 07:28 AM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sounds to me like the maggots already moved in, and their little party turned the poor fruit into blue-bruised goo. Be sure to pick the next fruits while they're still fresh.
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Joust
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maynardjameskeenan said:
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ambc said: My take on this cultivation debate is that if you take some mycellium from a spot while it is fruiting, put it into a container just to harvest the current/potential fruit from this existing mycellial mass doesn't really count as cultivation without one or more of these additional measures: -Adding fresh substrate into the container towards/at the end the season (or anytime I guess, but some species might not keep fruiting if supplied with alot of new uncolonized substrate). -Using the myc to inoculate a new outdoor bed after fruiting stops and hopefully after expanding the mycellium several times with new substrate. -Collecting spores from fruits produced by captured mycellium and proceeding to grow from them. -Using the stem butts or other tissue(s) from the mushrooms to begin generating fresh mycellium. -Or whatever other methods of intentional propagation or attempted propagation are used.
Just taking a large chunk of a patch so that travel is reduced/eliminated or so other hunters cant get at it, then discarding whenever it appears that it has finished serving it's purpose, is just harvesting with especially high potential for harm or destruction of the existing patch. If a new "wild" patch is inadvertently created by the act of discarding the mycellium, it would only be propagation, not cultivation because it was not intentional.
Well put. 

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koods
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Re: First Ovoid Pins in Indoor Grow Project [Re: Anglerfish]
#18036741 - 03/31/13 10:15 AM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anglerfish said: Sounds to me like the maggots already moved in, and their little party turned the poor fruit into blue-bruised goo. Be sure to pick the next fruits while they're still fresh.
No, there were no bugs in it. I think I just have a hard time keeping the humidity right above ground. Maybe I touched it one too many times, as well.
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mandrax360
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Re: First Ovoid Pins in Indoor Grow Project [Re: koods]
#18050799 - 04/03/13 04:24 AM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just read from the beginning and I must say congrats on the fruit Koods , I tried growing indoors and failed so I transferred my sub to a garden pot adding more mixed woodchip and covered with poting soil and leaf mulch . I'm hoping to get ovoids grow wild in the UK as I think they will fruit all throw the mild wet summer we have.
There are large areas of blackberry bushes close by where I intend to start a outdoor patch as this will create its own mirco climate for the grow and a food source for the myc .
My back garden grow is coming along nicely now and hope to see fruit by the end of april as the over night temps are picking up . I to had problems with pests , something kept trying to dig up the myc but not sure what ( could be a field mouse as there is a large open land behind my home ) . I got some chicken wire over my pots now so fingers crossed .
 MacMerdin - Thx again
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MacMerdin
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Re: First Ovoid Pins in Indoor Grow Project [Re: mandrax360]
#18052589 - 04/03/13 02:07 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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mandrax360 said:
 MacMerdin - Thx again 
No problem. There will be more this year too. And I've perfected my technique since last year so they should be cleaner and packaged more professionally.
Glad to see someone's efforts from the prints I sent out last year are positive. 
p.s. My efforts from the one's you sent me are going nicely too. I made modified PF cakes with Aspen pet bedding with them (still have a little bit of back up for agar work if needed). They are almost ready to go out into the ground. Another week or two to consolidate and let the ground get warmer. If my efforts pay off, in the next few years the landscaping around my apartment building should be kick ass.
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mandrax360
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Re: First Ovoid Pins in Indoor Grow Project [Re: MacMerdin]
#18053061 - 04/03/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nice work , keep me updated . Good luck with your ovoid season .
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jumbojumbo
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Re: First Ovoid Pins in Indoor Grow Project [Re: Sporulator]
#20553828 - 09/11/14 04:22 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sporulator said: Useful informations for all Ovoid indoor growers:
(Those are Ovoids and NOT caerulipes)
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5207687#5207687
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6247917#6247917
And about the snails: snail/slug bait is the only solution, because there are no natural enemies in your substrate.
Replying because I mostly lurk but find this very interesting but can't follow the links
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jumbojumbo
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Re: First Ovoid Pins in Indoor Grow Project [Re: Hygrocybe]
#20554089 - 09/11/14 05:30 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hygrocybe said: Squirrels? I wonder what nutritional value myc would have for them.
Iirc I read somewhere - McKenna maybe? - that squirrels have been observed in the wild eating actives, and then returning to the spot for more.
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Hashfinger
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Re: First Ovoid Pins in Indoor Grow Project [Re: jumbojumbo]
#20559943 - 09/12/14 09:08 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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jumbojumbo said:
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Hygrocybe said: Squirrels? I wonder what nutritional value myc would have for them.
Iirc I read somewhere - McKenna maybe? - that squirrels have been observed in the wild eating actives, and then returning to the spot for more.
I can attest to this after they observed me picking. Also, I walked up on a deer (known to eat amanita) one time, then found weilii. Said weilii had a huge bite out of the cap. Makes me wonder about animals...
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marcelot
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Re: First Ovoid Pins in Indoor Grow Project [Re: Sporulator]
#27547693 - 11/18/21 02:05 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hello,
About to try the same in Brazil... (south of Brazil, which is colder than the rest...) Rainier month temps range from 57F (usually night) to 73F (usually night).
Prints from Ohio germinating on agar now... any useful tips on spawn or wood or anything else?
Thanks!
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