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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: nektar61]
#27545004 - 11/15/21 10:38 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Maybe if it's active?
I think it has root like things? Maybe a distinct growth rather then mega myc. But it excretes metabolites... So..myc?
It looks like wet marshmallow, but it's actually firm and fibrous like mush flesh, and bruises dark.
The myc is fluffy and similar to wet marshmallow, also bruises blue.
Tldr- I dunno what it is, but I will make a tea with it 🥳
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: bagga]
#27545027 - 11/15/21 10:57 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Got my first print in the mail today so excited. If you wanna move in you can move in. Try it out.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: nektar61]
#27545057 - 11/15/21 11:40 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bagga: That's 10x worse than anything Ive ever seen from these. I usually use a clean fork to pry them off, and it flushes again just fine... the overlay usually stops coming back after flush 2 for me. Let us know the weight on those when they've dried please!
Nektar: It's literally just rhizo fingers compacted together like... (I can't think of anything else to compare it to honestly). Way fluffier and squishier than stem material or regular "blobs", and incredibly light. It isn't anything like fruit tissue at all, just straight-up myc globs.
I wanna see the potency be compared to the fruit bodies. The myc bruises heavier but it's also more delicate. Anyone have any idea why it does this? There's gotta be a purpose for a feature so prominent in the genes.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: bagga]
#27545062 - 11/15/21 11:48 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah Nos was saying the metabolite bubbling is an infection of some kind. Doesn't usually do that for mine, and when it does the fruits have an orange discoloration at the base. So this would make sense. It's definitely mycelium, and something more permanent than simply going "aerial" without enough FAE... I'll check for the little root-butts when I pick mine off this run.
Strap in if you plan on ingesting that. Honestly the myc chips are some of my favorite goodies, more potent than the fruit bodies for sure. (Ive yet to achieve visuals from the fruits)
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I can actually see the myc balls being useful for microdosers dried and powdered would fill many many capsules. Even if it isn't as potent as the fruitbody, though most reports I've read claim it is
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Drboomer]
#27545117 - 11/16/21 02:16 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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The bubble blobs are active
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They told me that the overlay was a protective measure as a response to contamination and improper growing conditions. I was ripping balls, so who knows if that’s right or not. Makes sense to me
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Wall.E]
#27545252 - 11/16/21 06:06 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wall.E said: They told me that the overlay was a protective measure as a response to contamination and improper growing conditions. I was ripping balls, so who knows if that’s right or not. Makes sense to me
They could well be a preconceived voice in your head that you have fed information.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: DERRAYLD] 1
#27545288 - 11/16/21 06:39 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
DERRAYLD said:
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Wall.E said: They told me that the overlay was a protective measure as a response to contamination and improper growing conditions. I was ripping balls, so who knows if that’s right or not. Makes sense to me
They could well be a preconceived voice in your head that you have fed information.
Probably a a preconceived voice in Walle's head. I've not eaten any P-Nat yet and I posted the same theory about improper growing conditions 10 days ago: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27530533#27530533
Maybe Wall.E read that, forgot it, then had the shrooms tell him.
Don't want to poo poo anyone's personal experience, but in my head, all the weird shit connected to shrooms is just synapses firing differently than usual, and things I know. Maybe same with Wall.E.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: nektar61]
#27545385 - 11/16/21 08:35 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Looks like I'll be looking for AKA-2, yield bad.
Gonna go find a real butter fattie
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Still a better explanation than any of you are putting out there
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Wall.E] 1
#27545496 - 11/16/21 10:32 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Having harvested it now, it seems different from cube stress overlay. I've only had cubes do that once - but when it did it was rubbery, kinda dry, and there were no pins in it.
Nats overlay is kinda fluffy, pins grow within it, and traps a tonne of water. That water came out during harvesting and made the surface slick and super wet, seems to make an amazing microclimate. Pretty different from a cube stressed tub.
My unprovable, no real evidence theory is that it's a genetic behavior for dryer grow environments. Metabolites is just a defense to environmental mold spores and bacteria, which is always present settling on the sub. It's prolific, but the myc has access to a lot more moisture than cube myc, so maybe it can just produce a lot more (which might also explain the contam resistance we've all noted?).
One more note - metabolites don't have to be visible. I had a nat swab on agar, that grew towards and then consumed a green mold colony. Completely digested it (even at the agar level there is no visible discoloration). At no point did that myc produce visible metabolites - it just grew right over the top and absorbed it (then fruited on the plate).
I love shroom speculating, makes me feel like an old timey scientist. Its the vapors, them toxic vapors. Put some leeches in that tub and sacrifice a chicken
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Damn...That's a health noodle!
I'm gonna have to do some cloning. The little curly bitches don't drop spores very well and I really don't want to have to swab em. So much moisture, I'm pretty sure the swabs will be nasty..
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: bagga]
#27545856 - 11/16/21 02:19 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Melgo]
#27545897 - 11/16/21 02:55 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I forgot to check if they were hollow, but you can see that on a dried fruit?
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Melgo]
#27545905 - 11/16/21 02:59 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I’ve seen a ton of cube cultures run over mold on plates but never seen metabolites.
Tubs is another story.
Lol the super overlay cultures are gonna become prized if the myc is as potent as people have been saying. Definitely had twice as much myc as shrooms in a lot of tubs.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a] 3
#27545908 - 11/16/21 03:03 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm not advocating that it Beats mold, that's just a pipe dream.
But natalensis at least fruits okay even with its presence
Once Natalensis hits Reddit and uncle Ben's, things will get crazy
Cause more moldy subs will be fruited by a stronger cubensis that maybe grows faster and the mycelia is viable intoxication
And then they will invade shroomery saying they have beaten strict Tek autism forever, cuz fruiting moldy subs
And we will all fall into disrepair and depression
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Quote:
smalltalk_canceled said: I'm not advocating that it Beats mold, that's just a pipe dream.
But natalensis at least fruits okay even with its presence
Once Natalensis hits Reddit and uncle Ben's, things will get crazy
Cause more moldy subs will be fruited by a stronger cubensis that maybe grows faster and the mycelia is viable intoxication
And then they will invade shroomery saying they have beaten strict Tek autism forever, cuz fruiting moldy subs
And we will all fall into disrepair and depression
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: milkboy]
#27546070 - 11/16/21 05:04 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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It’s definitely not the dry environments because I’ve gotten overlay running them wet af in a pan fruiting chamber. If anything it’s either genetic or a response to either bacteria or too much or improper nutrition. I still haven’t ran them with lc straight to manure or an agar puck to coir, it’s always been grain, and specifically rye. I’m currently running different genetics on millet in bags and have some following up on wheat. I’ve tried what others have suggested with higher spawn ratios and casing with all sorts of shit just to have the overlay eat through it. I’ve posted trays and shoeboxes in here with my different variables and they’ve shown overlay almost every single time.
I’ve also been saying that these are gonna take over the syringe market. A species more tolerant or capable of growing through contamination than cubes with PE potency? The only thing holding them back is yield. No one is putting up canopies like crack, nosferatu or c10 using uncle Ben’s, but then again people using uncle Ben’s don’t care about canopies
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So a plate of overlay dried to 13g and a little over 40g of fruit from 2qts of grain.
I probably left half the overlay on the sub, so close to 30% of the growth was myc mass.
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