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Re: Theory: Ancient Greeks produced ergot alkaloids in a primitive form of grain spawn known as Kykeon [Re: el gordo]
    #27606064 - 01/03/22 10:04 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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el gordo said:
been researching on this subject for some time and what i could gather is that the were using magic mushrooms from different species, and had been used/cultivated extensively across the whole world in the old ages, u only have to look at antique art to see it... some egiptyan and persian clear cubensis representations from 3000 AC 





I actually found a scholarly article that agrees with you: that these are P. Cubensis. Check this article out. It identifies many of the examples you gave, and some others too.

"The entheomycological origin of Egyptian crowns and the esoteric underpinnings of Egyptian religion"

The article raises the speculation that such drawings are cubensis, as you also theorize. It suggests they raised them on barley and identified them with the god Osiris.

BUT, I think if this were true we should find mycological proof too, to be definitive. If it is true they grew mushrooms using barley then we would find a high amount of psilocybe species naturally growing in the area. After all, the Egyptians had to get the mushrooms from somewhere to start inoculating grain.

So, while the pictures are promising, we should ask some tough scientific questions such as:

1. Which Psilocybe species if any can be found in Egypt? Would they be found at a high enough rate to be reliable entheogens?

If they were cultivated, we might expect them to be found in the natural environment at a higher rate than elsewhere.

2. Is there any physical evidence, eg fossilized Psilocybe DNA, that might support the theory?

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Re: Theory: Ancient Greeks produced ergot alkaloids in a primitive form of grain spawn known as Kykeon [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #27619167 - 01/14/22 09:14 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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This thread helped me make sense of parts of this painting I didn't previously get. Bottom is interesting particularly bottom left nd gosh even its name 😂

I also really like if you zoom in on his tie.

I linked the site because it didn't think was right post an uploaded version, it's an incredible piece.

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