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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: junk_f00d]
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Kryptos said: They do read off a script. Look up "how to radicalize a normie", it's literally a 33 step script of how to structure an argument by 'just asking questions', with the end goal of a new MAGA hat. The Holocaust denier from last week also went down the same exact script as well.
In principle, it's a how to guide on structuring an argument, with a few steps on how to obfuscate your true intentions from the audience. Usually with a slow drip of information, and actively hiding behind the 'just asking questions' and 'why are you so close-minded?' lines when challenged.
I also kinda played into the script by getting pissed off, which allowed the guy to do that Jordan Peterson thing where he adjusts his monocle, talks a little slower, enunciates more, and says there's no need for anger.
Are you implying that MSM and it's followers do not read off a script or something? Or that similar propaganda doesn't exist on all sides, everywhere? Sorry I find this viewpoint hard to understand - only those who disagree with your opinion (or MSM's opinion?) are either practicing or being influenced by propaganda campaigns?
I'm not talking about propaganda, I'm talking about a literal, 33 step, script that circulated on 4chan/8chan for a bit. Like they'd repeat the same exact memes at the exact same times, and the exact same words. Step one was 'just asking questions' about the Holocaust, with the specific talking points that the guy repeated.
One of the bigger giveaways, to me, was the part when they said "so much for the tolerant left" in response to me, when I had not yet made any indication of my politics short of being pissed at the Holocaust denier. So either (a) they were lurking the forums and studying people for a while or (b) they used the counterargument from step...I wanna say it was 4? From the radicalization script.
I don't know about anybody else, but I've literally never copy pasted arguments from a prepared document. If you do that, well, I don't know what to tell you.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
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Mandates work. I really don’t understand why people think they have a right to go to a business or work in an office where they aren’t qualified to be there. If the rules say be vaccinated then you are free to not be there. I’m just tired if this entitled crybaby attitude that you think you can do whatever you want. If people don’t want you around because you’re not vaccinated then leave. It’s my right to not have you in my business or workplace.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#27540649 - 11/12/21 02:26 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm getting a booster soon and personally look forward to developing a strong magnetic field and having my brain reprogrammed by Bill Gates's nanobots
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: ballsalsa]
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So will you still need a compass to navigate, or will you have an instinctual knowledge of magnetic north?
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: ballsalsa]
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Two doses is good for not ending up in the hospital. Boosters are good if you don’t want to get sick at all. I’d rather not be sick and quarantined for 10 days so I got the booster. Boosters are showing 95%+ efficacy against infections in Israel. They have really good data.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#27540657 - 11/12/21 02:31 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ever since my first shot I've been getting 5G wifi signals beamed into my head and even though it was unnerving at first, I've really become comfortable with the intermittent modem sounds that only I can hear
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GPS satellites are connected to me through the deep web already so I always know true north, fuck that magnetic pole nonsense
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
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Kryptos said: They do read off a script. Look up "how to radicalize a normie", it's literally a 33 step script of how to structure an argument by 'just asking questions', with the end goal of a new MAGA hat. The Holocaust denier from last week also went down the same exact script as well.
In principle, it's a how to guide on structuring an argument, with a few steps on how to obfuscate your true intentions from the audience. Usually with a slow drip of information, and actively hiding behind the 'just asking questions' and 'why are you so close-minded?' lines when challenged.
I also kinda played into the script by getting pissed off, which allowed the guy to do that Jordan Peterson thing where he adjusts his monocle, talks a little slower, enunciates more, and says there's no need for anger.
Are you implying that MSM and it's followers do not read off a script or something? Or that similar propaganda doesn't exist on all sides, everywhere? Sorry I find this viewpoint hard to understand - only those who disagree with your opinion (or MSM's opinion?) are either practicing or being influenced by propaganda campaigns?
I'm not talking about propaganda, I'm talking about a literal, 33 step, script that circulated on 4chan/8chan for a bit. Like they'd repeat the same exact memes at the exact same times, and the exact same words. Step one was 'just asking questions' about the Holocaust, with the specific talking points that the guy repeated.
One of the bigger giveaways, to me, was the part when they said "so much for the tolerant left" in response to me, when I had not yet made any indication of my politics short of being pissed at the Holocaust denier. So either (a) they were lurking the forums and studying people for a while or (b) they used the counterargument from step...I wanna say it was 4? From the radicalization script.
I don't know about anybody else, but I've literally never copy pasted arguments from a prepared document. If you do that, well, I don't know what to tell you.
This is what the MSM does too though, but at a much, much larger scale, so I don't see your point. It is propaganda, and it surrounds us on all sides. It is a constant firehose, and entities with more money have bigger hoses.
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koods said: Mandates work. I really don’t understand why people think they have a right to go to a business or work in an office where they aren’t qualified to be there. If the rules say be vaccinated then you are free to not be there. I’m just tired if this entitled crybaby attitude that you think you can do whatever you want. If people don’t want you around because you’re not vaccinated then leave. It’s my right to not have you in my business or workplace.
Liberties work. I really don’t understand why people think they have a right to go to a business or work in an office and force them to be vaccinated. If the rules say be free then you are free to not be there. I’m just tired if this entitled crybaby attitude that you think you can do whatever you want. If people don't want you around because you want everyone vaccinated then leave. It's my right to not have you in my business or workplace.
Mandates certainly work to increase vaccine uptake. They do not work to preserve civil liberties. The effect on long term death or hospitalization reduction is ongoing, as are the effects of natural immunity. Will boosters be indefinately required? Who knows, but corporations hope so. Will this have any damaging effects? Who knows, but corporations hope so. It is equally my right to oppose mandates, and employers rights as well. I guess if you think wanting to preserve civil liberties and not comply with corporate controlled science and propaganda determining policy, then we've concluded this conversation.
You seem to admit the mandate provides no benefit while eroding freedom, yet continue to endorse it. You need to show strong correlation with vaccinations and reduced deaths across countries, and it needs to outperform regions that did very little vaccinations. It needs to be shown via data that this is sensible before even being discussed.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: junk_f00d] 2
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Since there's so much overlap between Qtards and anti vaxxers I think we should revisit my idea about taking some shithole like Mississippi or Arkansas and converting it to a reservation for these folks where they can only hurt each other. We can call it freedomland and we won't even have to march them down a trail of freedom if we offer a 90 day supply of MREs and 500 rds of ammunition to move there. Once most of the undesirable elements have removed themselves from civilized society we can build a wall around them and make them pay for it.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: junk_f00d]
#27540712 - 11/12/21 03:25 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is the most reasonable, non-fringe arguement I've read against mandates, please read it so I don't have to poorly reword it. It's from a John Hopkins member, and uses evidence to support that natural immunity is superior, that the data clearly shows it does more harm than good for children, that mandates over voluntary vaccination isn't necessary, that the side effects are not sufficiently reported, studied or known (esp w.r.t multiple boosters and/or long term or reproductive) and many more things: https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/why-covid-19-vaccines-should-not-be-required-for-all-americans
I'm not arguing for federal mandates, or even really for private mandates even though I do agree businesses should be allowed the freedom to mandate.
His statistic on children is way out of context btw. He took the risk of hospitalization for one week of a pandemic that had been raging for a year and a half (with tens of millions of kids already infected/recovered, tens of millions more having never been infected to this day), and compared it against the total number of hospitalizations in a sample of children who received a vaccine, with no time constraint. For this to be even close to a valid argument he'd need to compare vaccine hospitalizations to hospitalizations only in the population of children who caught Covid and with no time constraint, not the entire population of children in general, the difference will be exponential. In adults and adolescents myocarditis is far more likely from actual Covid than with the vaccine, there's not much data on children yet but that trend will almost certainly continue.
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Before we get going, I want to say that in my opinion, the burden of proof is completely on the pro-vax people. They need to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that these measures are logical and effective, and that no reasonable alternative exists, before people concede liberties.
If the desired goal is to move on from Covid as quickly as possible with at little damage to peoples' health and the economy as possible, what other solution is there than vaccination?
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Well, it sounds like you've experienced interfacing with someone who doesn't trust the institutions you trust. That doesn't make it 'not reality based'. But I've linked you an expert in the field at any rate. The MSM can lie and I've seen this myself many times during this, beginning with the false claim that the vaccines slowed the spread when no data had been gathered on this yet (this was awhile ago). But I believe dismantling pro-vax mandates arguments is possible with using 'reality based' mainstream sources and logic on your turf, personally, and that these arguments are more impactful as well.
MSM is allowed to lie, and we have large propaganda campaigns going on right now due to the pandemic (not a conspiracy take, it's true even from a public health perspective).
There is a such thing as objective reality, many on the "skeptic" side create their own and ignore the data. There are limitless examples in every Covid thread on here including this one. Yes, the pro-vax side can do it too, but the data is so in favor of vaccination that there is rarely a situation where a pro-vax person would need to lie or misinform to back up an argument.
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The profits these guys are making is nothing compared to big pharma... Perhaps you don't label others as conspiracy theorist so easily, but in my experience any arguement that questions MSM is essentially a conspiracy theory, even if you agree with Fauci, the Surgeon General, and leading research / data (again, this happened to me when I kept repeating that there was no data on whether or not the vaccines reduces infection and transmission rates at the time, and there wasn't, yet the MSM had wrongly presented them as the key to reducing spread).
People are making tens of millions of dollars profiting off conspiracies and misinformation. I don't really care about what the ~1% of the population that actually watch the infotainment MSM think, MSM has become the boogeyman for conspiracy theorists.
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And on that note, not to point at you personally but it's an example that's been presented, horse paste, or Ivermectin, HAS been very effective in reducing symptomatic COVID, has it not? This may be an example of you shunning something that deviates from the MSM, despite it being true. It is also an alternative, and should be investigated just as fervently if pro-vax people really want to get over the pandemic rather than forcibly inject every last naysayer.
No. The bulk of the positive data on ivermectin show that it does nothing when you remove the multitude of studies that have been shown to fraudulent and/or with serious errors in their data, many of which have been pulled by the authors themselves. There is some low-quality and correlational research that made it a candidate for further study, I believe both Oxford and the NIH are doing RCT's at the moment so the verdict should be in fairly soon.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: feevers]
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Speaking of John’s Hopkins, I just got back from picking up my mom who was sent there last night for some eye problems. The ER was empty. Covid is a hoax.
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koods said: Speaking of John’s Hopkins, I just got back from picking up my mom who was sent there last night for some eye problems. The ER was empty. Covid is a hoax.
I haven't seen a Covid patient in like a month now.
I bet it's due to the increased awareness of Ivermectin
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: junk_f00d]
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Kryptos said: They do read off a script. Look up "how to radicalize a normie", it's literally a 33 step script of how to structure an argument by 'just asking questions', with the end goal of a new MAGA hat. The Holocaust denier from last week also went down the same exact script as well.
In principle, it's a how to guide on structuring an argument, with a few steps on how to obfuscate your true intentions from the audience. Usually with a slow drip of information, and actively hiding behind the 'just asking questions' and 'why are you so close-minded?' lines when challenged.
I also kinda played into the script by getting pissed off, which allowed the guy to do that Jordan Peterson thing where he adjusts his monocle, talks a little slower, enunciates more, and says there's no need for anger.
Are you implying that MSM and it's followers do not read off a script or something? Or that similar propaganda doesn't exist on all sides, everywhere? Sorry I find this viewpoint hard to understand - only those who disagree with your opinion (or MSM's opinion?) are either practicing or being influenced by propaganda campaigns?
I'm not talking about propaganda, I'm talking about a literal, 33 step, script that circulated on 4chan/8chan for a bit. Like they'd repeat the same exact memes at the exact same times, and the exact same words. Step one was 'just asking questions' about the Holocaust, with the specific talking points that the guy repeated.
One of the bigger giveaways, to me, was the part when they said "so much for the tolerant left" in response to me, when I had not yet made any indication of my politics short of being pissed at the Holocaust denier. So either (a) they were lurking the forums and studying people for a while or (b) they used the counterargument from step...I wanna say it was 4? From the radicalization script.
I don't know about anybody else, but I've literally never copy pasted arguments from a prepared document. If you do that, well, I don't know what to tell you.
This is what the MSM does too though, but at a much, much larger scale, so I don't see your point. It is propaganda, and it surrounds us on all sides. It is a constant firehose, and entities with more money have bigger hoses.
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koods said: Mandates work. I really don’t understand why people think they have a right to go to a business or work in an office where they aren’t qualified to be there. If the rules say be vaccinated then you are free to not be there. I’m just tired if this entitled crybaby attitude that you think you can do whatever you want. If people don’t want you around because you’re not vaccinated then leave. It’s my right to not have you in my business or workplace.
Liberties work. I really don’t understand why people think they have a right to go to a business or work in an office and force them to be vaccinated. If the rules say be free then you are free to not be there. I’m just tired if this entitled crybaby attitude that you think you can do whatever you want. If people don't want you around because you want everyone vaccinated then leave. It's my right to not have you in my business or workplace.
Mandates certainly work to increase vaccine uptake. They do not work to preserve civil liberties. The effect on long term death or hospitalization reduction is ongoing, as are the effects of natural immunity. Will boosters be indefinately required? Who knows, but corporations hope so. Will this have any damaging effects? Who knows, but corporations hope so. It is equally my right to oppose mandates, and employers rights as well. I guess if you think wanting to preserve civil liberties and not comply with corporate controlled science and propaganda determining policy, then we've concluded this conversation.
You seem to admit the mandate provides no benefit while eroding freedom, yet continue to endorse it. You need to show strong correlation with vaccinations and reduced deaths across countries, and it needs to outperform regions that did very little vaccinations. It needs to be shown via data that this is sensible before even being discussed.
I have literally never once in my life, read an MSM article that laid out, word for word, what I need to say to convince random people on the internet to join the democratic party.
I have, on two separate occasions, read articles that laid out a word for word script on how to convince people to join the alt-right/buy alt-right merch. Though, I guess was was a draft/inspiration for the other, so maybe 1.5 articles.
As to your covid point: I have, literally never once in my life, seen a business require proof of lack of vaccination. I have heard of places kicking people out for wearing masks, but I've never experienced that myself. That being said, if a business required me to be unvaccinated or banned wearing a mask, I would not go to that business. Clearly, I am unwanted. I can respect that.
Why can't you respect the same, when it comes to being vaccinated or wearing a mask?
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: ballsalsa] 2
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ballsalsa said: Since there's so much overlap between Qtards and anti vaxxers I think we should revisit my idea about taking some shithole like Mississippi or Arkansas and converting it to a reservation for these folks where they can only hurt each other. We can call it freedomland and we won't even have to march them down a trail of freedom if we offer a 90 day supply of MREs and 500 rds of ammunition to move there. Once most of the undesirable elements have removed themselves from civilized society we can build a wall around them and make them pay for it.
Why not Afghanistan? The Taliban proudly announced that they were antivax, and there's already a shitload of MREs and bullets left behind from the war. Plus, probably bigger and badder guns than you can get stateside.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Kryptos]
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Too many brown people who worship the same god but read a different book for that to work.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Kryptos]
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Kryptos said: They do read off a script. Look up "how to radicalize a normie", it's literally a 33 step script of how to structure an argument by 'just asking questions', with the end goal of a new MAGA hat. The Holocaust denier from last week also went down the same exact script as well.
I looked up "how to radicalize a normie". It is well presented and quite enlightening.
Here it is if anyone else might be interested:
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It’s pretty amazing to watch someone fall right down that rabbit hole. That video describes it perfectly.
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Kryptos said: They do read off a script. Look up "how to radicalize a normie", it's literally a 33 step script of how to structure an argument by 'just asking questions', with the end goal of a new MAGA hat. The Holocaust denier from last week also went down the same exact script as well.
I looked up "how to radicalize a normie". It is well presented and quite enlightening.
Here it is if anyone else might be interested:
In retrospect, I didn't link the thing I was talking about. As you said, enlightening.
Ultimately, I am having a lot of trouble finding the original 4chan thread. That's on me. Sorry about that.
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koods said: It’s pretty amazing to watch someone fall right down that rabbit hole. That video describes it perfectly.
Yeah. We've seen it here quite a few times. It's "amazing" in the true sense of the word. I have been amazed and saddened by it.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: feevers]
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feevers said: I'm not arguing for federal mandates, or even really for private mandates even though I do agree businesses should be allowed the freedom to mandate.
His statistic on children is way out of context btw. He took the risk of hospitalization for one week of a pandemic that had been raging for a year and a half (with tens of millions of kids already infected/recovered, tens of millions more having never been infected to this day), and compared it against the total number of hospitalizations in a sample of children who received a vaccine, with no time constraint. For this to be even close to a valid argument he'd need to compare vaccine hospitalizations to hospitalizations only in the population of children who caught Covid and with no time constraint, not the entire population of children in general, the difference will be exponential. In adults and adolescents myocarditis is far more likely from actual Covid than with the vaccine, there's not much data on children yet but that trend will almost certainly continue.
Well, I'm arguing against federal and state mandates. You can adjust the numbers yourself if you disagree with the stats, i.e take 0.3 per million per week and multiply by 52 weeks to get an annual risk of 15 per million. Still less than the vaccine risk. COVID is essentially a non-threat to children, so before vaccinating children we should be carefully looking at the risk profiles. There's no reason yet to assume myocarditis will be more common in children infected from COVID, the data supplied in the article should convince of this as well.
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feevers said: If the desired goal is to move on from Covid as quickly as possible with at little damage to peoples' health and the economy as possible, what other solution is there than vaccination?
For those not at risk of hospitalization or death (i.e healthy relatively young person), you're not burdening the system or society any more by allowing them to gain natural immunity through exposure. Also, to what extent are deaths acceptable, and not worth declaring a public health crisis?
It also must be considered that the vaccines are not riskless, and that by opting for vaccination as a solution, rather than your risk simply being 'COVID' it is now something like 'vaccine side effects' x 'number of boosters' x 'risk of still contracting covid'. Given that efficacy trends toward 0 and the vaccines are not robust to variants, it seems that eventually (without taking boosters) you'll be back to your initial risk profile. I'd rather just deal with COVID and move on, I don't agree with the proposed solution. Here's a relevant quote regarding myocarditis risk:
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Overall, data suggested that myocarditis occurred in approximately 1 of 26,000 men and 1 of 218,000 women after the second vaccine dose. Most cases manifested within a week after the second dose in young men.
I believe that may be greater than my risk of COVID hospitalization. I am not interested in a solution that's potentially more harmful than the problem. I happen to be in the demographic where the occurrence of vaccine side effects seems to be the greatest, while my risk of COVID is nearly the lowest. I believe my risk of COVID death (not hospitalization) is something like 1.5 per million.
Further, given that vaccines are not robust to variants and may enable spread of 'delta' just as easily, I don't think I'm helping anyone else by getting it either.
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feevers said: There is a such thing as objective reality, many on the "skeptic" side create their own and ignore the data. There are limitless examples in every Covid thread on here including this one. Yes, the pro-vax side can do it too, but the data is so in favor of vaccination that there is rarely a situation where a pro-vax person would need to lie or misinform to back up an argument.
If the data is so in favor of vaccination, can you show me some data that demonstrates a clear correlation between vaccinations and case counts, hospitalization and deaths dropping, across regions? I have not yet been convinced by the data, it goes either way and it seems far from conclusive at the moment, all the more reason to oppose mandates.
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feevers said: No. The bulk of the positive data on ivermectin show that it does nothing when you remove the multitude of studies that have been shown to fraudulent and/or with serious errors in their data, many of which have been pulled by the authors themselves. There is some low-quality and correlational research that made it a candidate for further study, I believe both Oxford and the NIH are doing RCT's at the moment so the verdict should be in fairly soon.
If what you're saying is true, that it is a candidate for further study, then it sounds like it shouldn't have been shut down so hard, and that you shouldn't immediately discredit it. I never really went down the Ivermectin rabbit hole, but there's plenty of supportive studies I've seen, such as this one: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8248252/
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