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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Oz_Salvia]
#27534243 - 11/07/21 08:25 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Exist in a state of nature from birth.
Or continue to contribute to the society that has contributed to your well being.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Oz_Salvia]
#27535199 - 11/08/21 01:21 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Forget the motives on why they've chosen to get off the grid, the fact that they are makes sense.
I wouldn't write off people preparing for possible scenarios as whackjobs.
Like if you're living the dream good for you but I don't think sending the world off grid is a great idea. (I think on grid, centralised community batteries are a better idea.)
Also my comment on the people I'm meeting at the moment is what I'm seeing at the moment, conspiracy nuts, anti-vax nuts, preppers.
In the last month I think I've heard most of the looney stories, like the 5G tower crap, the government turning off the power crap... one guy is making us trench around the wrong side of his house so we don't run any power cables too close to his bedroom as he thinks he suffers from being some type of emf frquency antenna crap... bat shit crazy stuff.
It's like an Irish stew of ideas that people piece together as part of a grander conspiracy and covid seems to have stirred these type of people into action... groan.
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I think Australia may be nuttier than the US
I learned all about the Covax-19 controversy. This guy has managed to get Iran to approve his vaccine despite there being literally no data whatsoever, without having completed clinical trials. And the antivaxxers love this guy. It’s completely insane, and now he’s raising money on gofundme to pay for the approval process (which will never happen because he’s running the clinical trial in Iran)
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#27535210 - 11/08/21 01:33 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods
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Iran has eight approved vaccines
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#27535277 - 11/08/21 02:20 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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So what
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Oz_Salvia
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Quote:
Stable Genius said:
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Oz_Salvia said:
Forget the motives on why they've chosen to get off the grid, the fact that they are makes sense.
I wouldn't write off people preparing for possible scenarios as whackjobs.
Like if you're living the dream good for you but I don't think sending the world off grid is a great idea. (I think on grid, centralised community batteries are a better idea.)
The National Electricity Market (NEM) as it stands is huge in spatial spread encompassing all of SA, Vic, NSW, ACT, Tas and QLD, and runs at a loss on thinly spread and peripheral regional populations in the chain. This is partly why large solar arrays e.g. in west NSW have been LCOE profitable hence getting PPE's. They also have the asset of high intensity sun radiation.
There will also be, as the industry calls it, a 'vortex of death'. As more leave the grid by buying their own solar coupled with batteries the remaining pool will be paying an increasing proportion for aging infrastructure (i.e. lines, stations, substations, mini-pillars ect). This will see to more make the move off the grid. In turn there will be smaller grids set up at city and subdivision scale, and they may well have their 100% renewable generation interstate as the ACT does.
The primary interconnectors are likely to stay between key population cities but the expense of the rest is not viable as PV and batteries get cheaper. None the less even a trimmed grid would be able to harvest wind and solar in the north for the south and vice-versa as they have different weather patterns. Add in pumped hydro as storage and it can be reliable. If the South West Interconnector System were connected to what remains of the NEM then solar e.g. from Sydney could boil the kettle for people in Perth before their morning sun rises. Perth in turn could provide power for a/c after the sun sets on the east. NT, which is not connected to any national grid, could export vast PV power to Asia. This has all been well understood by the ANU Energy Change Institute.
The days of big coal plants feeding massive and unrequired base load are over (despite the LNP's games), same as the big grid. Disaggregation is strength and renewables by emissions targets will lead that. It also means the CCP can't as readily cyber attack and knock out power and comms. A kick off volley of such an attack might be open the Tas hydro dams to dump all the water (fuel) and much of the south east will be unable to meet critical 50 mhz frequency. The grid as it stands is not as robust as people think. The AEMO workshops I attended back in 2016 were sobering.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#27537489 - 11/10/21 07:31 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: I think Australia may be nuttier than the US
I learned all about the Covax-19 controversy. This guy has managed to get Iran to approve his vaccine despite there being literally no data whatsoever, without having completed clinical trials. And the antivaxxers love this guy. It’s completely insane, and now he’s raising money on gofundme to pay for the approval process (which will never happen because he’s running the clinical trial in Iran)
I think it prudent to take a wait and see approach.
https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/analysis/vaxine-australia-approval-covid-19-vaccine/
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Oz_Salvia]
#27537577 - 11/10/21 08:57 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why can’t this guy give exact number? It’s always so vague. 60% sucks. Moderna is over 85% six months out.
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Petrovsky declines to add further detail on efficacy data as the manuscript is currently being translated from Farsi to English.

You really believe this?
He claims 88 infection events but refuses to say how many were in each group. You don’t need a translator for that. His numbers suck and that’s why they’ve never released any of them ever.
You’re so gullible
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#27537690 - 11/10/21 10:24 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I made a vaccine.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#27537698 - 11/10/21 10:29 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't want to sound bigoted, but I might go antivaccer before taking the Iranian one.
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Especially from a company that has failed to make a successful vaccine in 18 years
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Crazy_Horse said: I made a vaccine.
I'm creating an ivermectin based vaccine. Once I get the gofundme up I'll be set for life
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#27538558 - 11/10/21 10:47 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: Why can’t this guy give exact number? It’s always so vague. 60% sucks. Moderna is over 85% six months out.
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Petrovsky declines to add further detail on efficacy data as the manuscript is currently being translated from Farsi to English.

You really believe this?
He claims 88 infection events but refuses to say how many were in each group. You don’t need a translator for that. His numbers suck and that’s why they’ve never released any of them ever.
You’re so gullible
The university Petrovsky is based at is a no frills, no name one.
It is not ranked in the top 5, top 10, or even top 20 universities in Australia but is at number 23. That's out of 43 recognised Australian universities.
Placing Covax-19 and Vaxine in this context perhaps paints a clearer picture.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Warrk]
#27538586 - 11/10/21 11:18 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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From what I read it actually has a decent med school.
My question is how can you run a department at a public university and also run a biotech firm. Idk that seems like something you can’t do in the us, but idk.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#27538592 - 11/10/21 11:39 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I feel like Petrovsky is actually a decent scientist and his scientific work is well grounded, but it hasn’t panned out and in the end making money is more important than good science to him. He is desperate to not miss the covid gravy train and that has lead him to sound like a complete nut because he has to undermine all the other vaccines while praising his own at the same time.
His vaccine probably works half decently I don’t think it will perform any better than the other vaccines. I think the vaccine efficacy is mostly limited by the nature of the virus.
My problem with his vaccine is refuses to tell the truth about the research data. There literally is not a single line of actual published data available about efficacy and nothing about the safety profile. Iran says they approved the vaccine based on preliminary results in the clinical trial that showed it reduced infections by 60% and 88 events would be sufficient if the vaccine showed significant icant benefit. He could have easily said 80 infections were in the placebo and 8 have been in the vaccine. That’s significant information. That fact that he’s being so vague makes Me think that it’s not nearly as impressive. A vaccine with 70% efficacy right out of the gate is not going to succeed in the western marketplace. It could be a potentially decent booster.
In the end, if his vaccine is decent but fails to make it to market by will be his own fault. He has demonstrated himself to be less than trustworthy. He isn’t forthright with info, but he is sloppy with it. Not someone you want in charge of producing a reliable product of such importance.
I also think if you don’t have a vaccine pretty much ready to go right now, you’ve missed the boat. There are almost 2 dozen viable vaccines out there and it would be better to focus on increasing production of those than yet another vaccine.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#27538602 - 11/10/21 11:58 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here’s what I think is going on. They are showing ~60% efficacy but based on the size of the sample 88 events is not statistically significant. Also because the vaccine arm is 3 times larger than the control arm, 60% does not look good in raw numbers. There’s going to be a lot more infections in the vaccine arm, and that is going to be a hard one to spin with his audience.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#27538691 - 11/11/21 02:22 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's difficult to do this kind of science without real funding, and if the funding is corporate it's hard to do real science.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#27538720 - 11/11/21 03:21 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: Why can’t this guy give exact number? It’s always so vague. 60% sucks. Moderna is over 85% six months out.
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Petrovsky declines to add further detail on efficacy data as the manuscript is currently being translated from Farsi to English.

You really believe this?
He claims 88 infection events but refuses to say how many were in each group. You don’t need a translator for that. His numbers suck and that’s why they’ve never released any of them ever.
You’re so gullible
Okay, let's say you're correct. That he's a scammer, a fraud, has no numbers and it's all a ruse.
What's his motive, what does he get out of it?
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Oz_Salvia]
#27538732 - 11/11/21 03:42 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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He already raised over 400k
Did he promise to file? He doesn’t have the necessary data to file. What if his vaccine sucks and it wouldn’t make it through approval? He doesn’t have to return that money. And he doesn’t give the people who donated a stake. It’s essentially free money for him to do as he pleases.
Don’t you find it suspicious at all that he won’t give hard numbers? That article said there were 88 infections so far, but he won’t say how many in each group. The number 88 comes from adding the two groups. Those two numbers exist, but he won’t say what they are. Just vague better than 60%. You know what that means. Barely better.
Btw, Israel is now showing the booster preventing 90-96% of infections depending on age group, and over 98% of severe infections.
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