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InvisibleHolybullshit
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Re: California school officials sound the alarm on highly addictive new psychedelic drug called 'PAINT' [Re: veggie] * 2
    #27530881 - 11/05/21 06:26 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

A PEA or(less likely) one of the psychadelic amphetamines...if there is any truth to this at all, it could be totally bogus, just hearsay...or it could be perfectly non-addictive and relatively harmless psychadelic, getting painted with the default brush of the drug war since they don't know what it is.

I'm just wondering how they know the drug is highly addictive without even knowing what it is...it's not like kids are having withdrawals after 1 dose(no drug dose that).

Maybe they are confusing highly fun with highly addictive? The kids say they liked it...so it must be HIGHLY ADDICTIVE.


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Re: California school officials sound the alarm on highly addictive new psychedelic drug called 'PAINT' [Re: Barnaby]
    #27531335 - 11/05/21 01:33 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

So the "highly addictive psychedelic" is just MDMA...?

It's deadly because of the PMMA, but I don't think you are becoming addicted to PMMA as it is killing you.


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Re: California school officials sound the alarm on highly addictive new psychedelic drug called 'PAINT' [Re: Failboat]
    #27533434 - 11/07/21 08:03 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Quirkmeister92 said:
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Holybullshit said:
So the "highly addictive psychedelic" is just MDMA...?

It's deadly because of the PMMA, but I don't think you are becoming addicted to PMMA as it is killing you.



Maybe if you think MDMA is particularly psychedelic...

PMMA is very addictive, but among seasoned users seeking MDMA it may not be enjoyed. To the random user who just wants to get a buzz on it will sell.

The problem with PMMA is redosing along with overheating and dehydration. An actual mix of the two would contraindict and may cause exacerbation of side-effects.




I'm not the one who called it a psychedelic...whether it is or not doesn't change whether that's what they were referring to. But I definitely don't expect your average soccer mom to understand the nuance between PEA's/substituted amphetamine's and tryptamines/lysergamides.

And I don't think that's right, concerning PMMA...on it's own I don't think it is something anyone would seek out(other than a desperate polydrug addict), let alone repeatedly, it's definitely not "moreish", it's not a stimulant, it's not euphoric, it's barely empathogenic at all.

It's a weak serotonin releaser and MAOI, but without MDMA it isn't euphoric or much of an enactogen. It just happens to effect the hypothalamus(overheating) quite strongly. It's more like a toxic SSRI in is action than a substituted amphetamine. But it's MAOI action can boost MDMA's effects so it can be used to stretch your precursor, or it can be used to add some enactogen action to pills that actually contain methamphetamine(or something else).

There is absolutely nothing about it that says "addictive". Maybe some people find low doses of it pleasant on its own...but that doesn't make it addictive. And if you push the dosage trying to get stronger effects...it will become unpleasant in no time.

There is a reason why you rarely see PMMA as a sole active ingredient...and when you do see pills with only PMMA as the active ingredient it gets real dangerous, real fast as people keep pushing the dosage hoping to get some actual effects.

But for teenagers, with their under developed pre-frontal cortices combined with how overwhelmingly amazing MDMA can be...I would consider it addictive "enough", especially from a parents perspective. No you aren't going to become dependent on it, no you aren't(generally) going to develop a daily habit, but that doesn't mean some kids won't be itching to roll every chance they get, that they won't make it priority #1 every weekend. Especially if they are at risk or pre-disposed, or had been struggling and are using it as a form of escape.

And that pattern of use, at that stage of their development, both biologically and psychologically, generally won't end well for them.


Edited by Holybullshit (11/07/21 08:43 AM)


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