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More potent form of fentanyl seen throughout Ohio
#27522283 - 10/28/21 11:51 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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More potent form of fentanyl seen throughout Ohio October 28, 2021 - WBNS
Parafluorofentatnyl tracked to 70 of the state's 88 counties
COLUMBUS, Ohio — Authorities in Ohio are warning of an increased presence of a more potent, synthetic version of fentanyl being found in the state.
The warning from the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation comes after the Franklin County Sheriff's Office arrested three people earlier this month in an undercover narcotics investigation that resulted in the seizure of more than four kilograms of suspected fentanyl.
According to the state's lab, half of the suspected fentanyl tested to be an analog version of the drug, called parafluorofentanyl — which the sheriff's office said can kill quickly.
"What they're doing is they're ultimately playing Russian Roulette with their lives," said Chief Deputy Rick Minerd with the Franklin County Sheriff's Office.
Authorities said the parafluorofentanyl that was seized is not the only shipment coming into Columbus.
Information provided by the Ohio BCI shows parafluorofentanyl was detected in lab results just four times between October 2020 and January 2021. That number jumped to 130 detections in September of this year alone.
In the first three-quarters of 2021, investigators have tracked parafluorofentatnyl to 70 of the state's 88 counties.
The synthetic drug is the same one suspected of killing actor Michael K. Williams last month.
"It doesn't make sense why someone would want to produce something so deadly and powerful that it has deadly effects on customers," said Franklin County Sheriff Dallas Baldwin.
The Ohio Attorney General's Office recently sent out a bulletin to law enforcement officials statewide warning them about the new drug.
It can be administered in a powder or residue form, through a liquid syringe or in the form of blue tablets, according to BCI. Parafluorofentanyl comes in many colors that range from white to purple.
"It's time to have a conversation -- whether you think you're touched by drugs or not -- have a conversation with your kids," said Minerd.
A seven-month undercover narcotics investigation by the sheriff's office and the Hilliard Division of Police ended with the arrests Alvaro Hernandez, Magally Ruelas-Gonzales and Arturo Benavides two weeks ago.
The fentanyl that was seized had a value of about $800,000.
-------------------- How to test your drugs for Fentanyl (From dancesafe.org)
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Re: More potent form of fentanyl seen throughout Ohio [Re: veggie] 4
#27522480 - 10/29/21 06:30 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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The drug war drove us to this point.
This is analogous to the risk of consuming tainted and toxic booze taken by consumers of alcohol during the prohibition era.
Rather than keep society safe from drugs...all the drug war has done is put us in even more danger.
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Re: More potent form of fentanyl seen throughout Ohio [Re: Holybullshit] 1
#27522697 - 10/29/21 10:57 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Haha, the police officer can't figure out why they keep making it more potent? Duh, it's so smaller packages can be smuggled. Thanks, war on drugs!
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Re: More potent form of fentanyl seen throughout Ohio [Re: gone-pear-shaped]
#27522873 - 10/29/21 01:36 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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The East Bloc had supposedly ended standoffs with high-potency opiates, by flushing them down the vents, exposing victims as well as the terrorists. Their one and only priority was the continuity of their govt.
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"It doesn't make sense why someone would want to produce something so deadly and powerful that it has deadly effects on customers," said Franklin County Sheriff Dallas Baldwin.
If these imports were intended to hurt our country, consider the effects of collateral damage, in which one single drug casualty functionally disables several more people and wastes resources, disproportionately.
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Re: More potent form of fentanyl seen throughout Ohio [Re: durian_2008]
#27522999 - 10/29/21 03:13 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cbus dope fiends like it exxxtra strong, they hardcore, that's all
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Re: More potent form of fentanyl seen throughout Ohio [Re: durian_2008]
#27523077 - 10/29/21 04:34 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Intended to hurt our country? They are intended to make money...and wildly successful...
It's not like every heroin/opiate addict keels over dead the first time they get sold fent, it's not until you get a bad batch or get lazy with your test shots that happens. And that could literally be thousands of doses later.
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Re: More potent form of fentanyl seen throughout Ohio [Re: Holybullshit]
#27523114 - 10/29/21 05:12 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Holybullshit said: The drug war drove us to this point.
This is analogous to the risk of consuming tainted and toxic booze taken by consumers of alcohol during the prohibition era.
Rather than keep society safe from drugs...all the drug war has done is put us in even more danger.
I would say you're exactly right but I'd add that the medical system also got us to this point by getting people hooked on painkillers for profit.
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Re: More potent form of fentanyl seen throughout Ohio [Re: CreonAntigone]
#27523190 - 10/29/21 06:24 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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The medical system didn't explicitly cause it, but our inferior system, or even a complete lack of, did not prevent it as was necessary. A group of people are partially responsible as bad actors in a conspiracy that took advantage of the lack of safeguards.
We need government owned publicly run medical facilities etc. Compete with the private options and keep costs low and service high. Capitalism.
If at the very least the consumer dollar spent on the black market could be spent at legit centers for opiod use disorder. Just give people diacetylmorphine and counseling until they're fully treated.
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Re: More potent form of fentanyl seen throughout Ohio [Re: CreonAntigone]
#27523751 - 10/30/21 07:23 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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The medical system got the ball rolling on the opioid pandemic...but it didn't put super potent fentanyl analogs on the street.
And I agree with your in theory quirkmeister...but in America I think the best we can hope for is single payer and allow the government to negotiate drug prices. It's just not politically feasible to have actual government run facilities, and if they came to fruition, every other election cycle(when the GOP gained some power) they would be doing their best to sabotage them.
You should read "The Wrecking Crew" by Thomas Frank.
We need a public option right away...that would work along the same lines you are thinking, just for health insurance instead of on care directly.
And yes, diacetylmorphine maintenance therapy has been wildly successful for hard to treat addicts(even when allowed to raise their dose as high as they would like, with no limit, there IS a dose at which addicts will eventually settle, and stop asking for more, as hard as it is to believe)...and I think it's worth pursuing, and not just for those who have failed both methadone and suboxone. People should be allowed to begin on diacetyl maintenance and then switch to suboxone...suboxone does a fine job of staving off WD, but it's actually not all that great with cravings in the beginning in and of itself.
They can stabilize their lives, get psychological treatment, and become financially stable, while on diacetyl maintenance...then switch to suboxone to taper(or be a lifer if that is their wish). But even I have a hard time swallowing the idea of lifetime, or very long term, diacetyl maintenance.
And inducting people on suboxone can be a pretty big barrier as it requires the addict to be in full withdrawal already...so basically any addict who IS able to maintain their heroin habit has to put themselves into withdrawl in order to begin, meaning mostly only the addicts who have hit rock bottom and exhausted all their financial resources, and have absolutely no way to acquire their next dose, seek out suboxone.
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Re: More potent form of fentanyl seen throughout Ohio [Re: Holybullshit]
#27524106 - 10/30/21 01:21 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Meanwhile the CBP and the US Customs are seizing or returning imported harmless herbal powders and teas...
USA is one giant corrupt shithole which will sink further and further.
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Re: More potent form of fentanyl seen throughout Ohio [Re: PsychoReactive] 1
#27524416 - 10/30/21 05:03 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Things are starting to change...but they will get worse before they get better. Need the dems to pass the voting rights bills on the table, if only to end gerrymandering, then just wait for the boomers to die off...and then maybe they could expand or reform the court(or just Congress grow some balls and take its power back)...I am disgusted by the amount of power SCOTUS(an UNELECTED BODY) has over our democracy right now. We are talking decades, but the longer you live, the easier you are able to see things on a bigger scale.
I mean, the US is always going to be kind of fucked...we can thank our founding fathers for that. They set this country up to be ruled by the rich, they never wanted a true democracy(at least most of them), and organized our civic structure around an agrarian economy(which we don't have any more). But things CAN get better...just look how bad things were for the working class in the 1920's, the world is a pendulum on a string, eternally swinging.
Of course it doesn't help that our education system is a joke, leading to our general population being dumb as shit and and lacking basic critical thinking skills...half of them can't even tell reality from fantasy and are proudly anti-intellectual, and of course they are the ones having litters of babies.
Parliamentarian systems, countries which are more easily able to amend their constitution, or where ballot initiatives are common, are far better systems that can adapt to economic and technological changes more quickly and easily.
I try to remain optimistic, I'd end up shooting myself in the face otherwise.
Maybe things can get better just in time for climate change to bankrupt every country on Earth and global food supply chains to fail.
Edited by Holybullshit (10/30/21 05:23 PM)
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#27524837 - 10/31/21 01:18 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I blame the medical system more than you all; it really is rotten to the core. Doctors are great but they don't get to run anything. They are ordered around by managers and bureaucrats who have no medical expertise, their job is to liquidate and extract more money. The American medical system is those who really know medicine, doctors, being led like slaves by cynical companies.
And what is even more corrupt is that they won't even offer you a price. People say America is a 'free market' healthcare system, no not at all; actually our government has protected one of the most unfree markets in the world. The healthcare system in most cases will not tell you what your treatment will cost and they won't advertise the price. This lets them charge ridiculous amounts. These managers will bankrupt people and they don't even care. Someone has gotten a $2000 ambulance bill before. So medicine is being run like a business but not a fair business, the customer has no say and all the prices are secret, shadowy, arbitrary and unfair.
The insurance system is not only broken but probably a human rights nightmare on an objective level, it causes untold human suffering. Every now and then the government passes a bill to 'fix' it and always without fail the bill makes it a lot worse. They will never fix it as there was nothing in there worth fixing to begin with, the whole system is founded on fraud. Medical insurance companies add no value to healthcare. They make it so that people are now worried they will be bankrupted if they lose their job then get a medical problem. They degrade the quality of healthcare by dictating to doctors and medical professionals what treatments to use. You can rest assured the insurance system is not saving anyone money; the accountants have already did the math and found out that they are making massive profits.
Opiates are for pain that is beyond any other management. Why are so many Americans in this kind of pain? Because they won't see their regular doctors for the small pains which add up. And the reason they don't see a regular doctor is they don't have insurance, or their copay is too expensive even with insurance, or they are worried about getting bankrupted by that $2000 ambulance ride. Our whole system makes it so that no one ever wants to enter a hospital ever, so all illnesses do is pile up.
There are other corruptions I could talk about - like the fact that healthcare managers intentionally load doctors with paperwork and technical requirements. They don't want doctors to have free time to think. I feel bad for our doctors in this country to work for the monsters that run this system. Of course some doctors decide to load their pockets and get complicit too; the AMA has been corrupt for years. Some doctors decided to take bribes and gifts from pharma companies to prescribe brand-name drugs. Some doctors even got kickbacks for each opioid prescription written.
But in truth corrupt doctors are rare. Doctors on a whole are too busy to be scheming. No, let's focus on firing the people who aren't doctors and have too much time on their hands and spend it all trying to gouge people and take their money. Let's get rid of hospital managers and bureaucrats - ONLY doctors should be allowed in those positions, and only those doctors who have a good established reputation. Most importantly, lets get rid of insurance companies.
I'd rather we ban medical insurance today than do any other kind of reform. We need to get rid of the insurance system entirely, there is not a single aspect of it that works. This basic corruption now causes disgusting behavior in all other parts of the medical system. If it isn't fixed healthcare will never be fixed. So I am always curious at those who wonder at the state of American healthcare and why it is declining. Maybe it is because we have allowed bean-counters intent on taking your money to decide which drugs to give? Yes that's right, I am not exaggerating in any way, insurance companies will override doctors and make medication decisions. Because some executive wants another pool, I am sorry to say your grandma was not given the best medication. Lets end this madness and ban medical insurance today.
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Re: More potent form of fentanyl seen throughout Ohio [Re: Failboat]
#27525193 - 10/31/21 10:13 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quirkmeister92 said: We need government owned publicly run medical facilities etc. Compete with the private options and keep costs low and service high. Capitalism.
With all due respect, we already know the consequences of private interests, competing with Marx' 5th Plank lending monopoly.
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Re: More potent form of fentanyl seen throughout Ohio [Re: Holybullshit]
#27525198 - 10/31/21 10:18 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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durian_2008 said: If these imports were intended to hurt our country, consider the effects of collateral damage, in which one single drug casualty functionally disables several more people and wastes resources, disproportionately.
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Holybullshit said: Intended to hurt our country?
Some of the countries, running these labs, are in open competition with us, if not on the verge of hot war. Can't we call that a foreign enemy?
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#27525262 - 10/31/21 11:46 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm not saying you change to a different broken system.
Taxes are insurance, there shouldn't be a private industry for insurance.
Scientists, doctors, should be in charge of medicine, and budgets aren't an issue when you print the money and collect the taxes. Let the qualified individuals do their jobs. Im not here to spoon feed anybody a play by play.
Don't be a part of the problem with pessimistic naysaying and inaction. Positive vibes.
Viva la Revolucion
Once the government monopolizes everything ans unifies everyone through capitalism we can function as a proper Socialized Nation on the international scene. This is not communism, and it's not the 4th reich so don't call it Nazi.
If you can get the whole world to drop the hard borders you get the United States of Earth. Savor the finest hand grown Heroin from around the world, but currently shits so crazy even the fentanyl is analog RCs.
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Re: More potent form of fentanyl seen throughout Ohio [Re: Failboat]
#27525825 - 10/31/21 09:20 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Once the government monopolizes everything, they stage dialectics to provide the illusion of choice.
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#27525840 - 10/31/21 09:31 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Maybe if it's weird and fucked up creepy town. Otherwise in science we trust and with free information do we prosper.
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