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Bridgesii Thread * 10
    #27522916 - 10/29/21 02:07 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

So I thought this might be a good place to start an ongoing discussion about Trichocereus bridgesii (also known as Echinopsis lageniformis or Achuma or the Bolivian Torch cactus).

I think that this cactus merits special attention because of how fast it grows and also because of how consistently powerful it is.  I grow several different species of Trichocereus.  I respect and appreciate all of them.  But I always come back to Bridgesii because it constantly produces so much plant material, and the effects are stronger than any of the other Trichocereus that I have.  In my opinion Bridgesii is the most well suited of the Trichocereus cacti for psychedelic exploration and entheogenic work.  It is also the most beautiful looking of the Trichocereus to me.

So what I envision this thread to be is a place for those who have an appreciation for Bridgesii to share their thoughts and experiences, as well as a place for those who are curious to learn more.

The reason that I am starting this thread is that, it seems to me, Bridgesii often gets lumped together with "San Pedro cactus", without being recognized as a unique and special entheogen in its own right.  Those who are familiar with San Pedro know that many of these cacti vary wildly in terms of potency and other characteristics.  The San Pedro experience is often characterized as being a very gentle, not that intense sort of trip.  However Bridgesii possesses a different character to it.  Bridgesii is consistently very potent.  While the Bridgesii experience can be quite similar to what many think of regarding San Pedro (gentle, forgiving, etc), yet at higher doses the unique character of Bridgesii really shines through.  This is an extremely powerful and intense psychedelic.  It deserves it's own treatment and discussion.  And that's what I'm hoping that this thread can be.

So to kick things off I'm going to start by describing my first experience with Bridgesii, in the hope that others will chime in and share their perspectives as well.  Hopefully we can keep this thread going over time so that more and more can be recorded and shared about this special plant.



For me it all began awhile back after successfully ordering several cuttings of Trichocereus bridgesii from some online vendors.  A friend and I decided to test out the Bridgesii to see what the experience would be like.  I dont want to speak for him or to discuss any of the details of what his trip was like.  That's for him to do if the time ever comes for that.  But this is how the experience went for me.

Now I'll start out by saying that prior to this I had on 2 separate occassions drank tea made from the PC clone of Trichocereus pachanoi.  Those 2 experiences were pleasant, but definitely on the weaker side.  I was hoping for more than that from the Bridgesii, but honestly my hopes were not super high.

So one morning in early winter I consumed the flesh of 9 inches of Bridgesii.  The material came from 2 different unnamed Bridgesii cuttings, both of which were quite thick and appeared to have come from large plants.  The cactus was cut up into chunks, with the spines and clear skin removed.  I ate the green flesh and the white inner flesh and core, just the spines and clear skin were removed.

So the plan was to eat the cactus and then to drive out to an isolated spot out in the desert with nice views that was about an hour's drive away.  (I know, tripping and driving is bad.  Don't do it.  I don't do it anymore).  From what I had read and experienced before it would take several hours for the cactus to kick in, so at the time it seemed reasonable. 

About halfway to the destination I began to feel odd.  I felt a heaviness begin to weigh down my arms.  My pupils were getting large.  However we made it to the destination with no problem.  Once there the wind felt incredibly cold (it was 40 F degrees that morning).  I was dressed warmly but the wind cut through my clothing like it wasnt even there.  After hiking a short distance from the vehicle all I could do was huddle down next to a bush, shivering, and curled up into a ball as the wind froze and completely immobilized me.  A growing roar filled my ears as though a large waterfall was nearby.  However there was no waterfall.  Looking down at the ground the small rocks shone and sparkled.  Heaviness and cold washed over me in waves.  I started to think, "This is a lot stronger than what I expected".

We spent that day out in the desert.  The view from that spot was far out into the distance.  During the course of that day the initial waves of cold and heaviness transformed into waves of excitement and energy.  I saw incredibly far into the distant horizon with binocular-like vision.  The hillsides became alive with colors and patterns.  But these visual changes were different from what I had seen before with LSD or shrooms.  They were so realistic looking, as if embedded into the landscape itself.

At the peak it became difficult to speak.  I threw up several hours in while trying to drink some water.  The wave-like nature of the trip was so pronounced.  One minute it felt as if sobriety was beginning to return.  Then the next minute I was rocked by the intensity of the trip.  This went on and on all day.

As the sun began to get low in the sky it was time to start heading home.  I was still tripping very hard.  We encountered some people near where we had parked.  The interaction with them was awkward and confusing.  I had difficulty understanding what objects they were holding in their hands.  I stumbled awkwardly right though the middle of their group.  I'm sure that they probably thought I was nuts.

The drive home seemed to take forever.  It was very dangerous.  I had no business driving in that state, but managed to make it hime safely.

The trip continued on late into the night, gently subsiding in intensity as the hours passed.

I learned to have a lot of respect for Bridgesii that day.  It was the beginning of a relationship that has continued on for years now.  Bridgesii is a powerful medicine.  It will smash right through any barriers that your mind has constructed.  It will show you what is behind there. 

These days I grow many Bridgesii plants.  And every few months I spend some time journeying with it.  I have a lot of love for this cactus.  It deserves a lot of respect.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Grey Fox]
    #27522952 - 10/29/21 02:33 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Bridgesii is a dream. I know I'm more sensitive than most but for me even just small amounts are extremely potent. I would probably only need an inch or two of a small cutting to feel something.

I have two trip experiences of bridgesii I've posted. The first is a low dose experience, I ate a few inches of a small cutting to deal with pain from the vaccine. Second was a higher dose, at that time I consumed about half of a tea from my 10-inch cutting. I still haven't broken to the highest spaces of mescaline but that is probably something I'll do in the future.

I think more people should give a 'mild' cactus experience a try and realize that consuming 2 feet in a tea is not the only way to enjoy cactus. It can be even more intense at a smaller dose because you're still in the regular world while tripping, it is like you aren't fully there yet but everything in your everyday world is amplified.

I think just small amounts of flesh could be an effective regular medicine for pain. In that trip report I linked, a small dose was enough to deal significantly with the pain from the shot within minutes. This is the single strongest and quickest I've ever felt a drug in my life so my heightened sense of pain might've made me more sensitive. Topical bridgesii tea seems like a good option for pain, applied to the site of pain. I tried topical tea and I found it was psychoactive although less so than if the mescaline is consumed and also it seems subjectively different like mescaline through skin can just never get you to the same place. But, that is actually a positive for some who do not wish to trip on mescaline. So mescaline in the form of bridgesii tea may be usable on a regular basis without impairment as long as one sticks only to topical application.

I find that smallish amounts are psychoactive but not quite psychedelic, a quite manageable headspace. I think low doses of bridgesii are so unintoxicating you could do most anything you normally do, yet at the same time just a small amount of cactus is needed for me to start feeling something a little mystical. That is the magic of mescaline that it is psychoactive at low doses without being impairing. Mushrooms seem to have a much higher risk of excess, but overdosing on cactus seems hard and the strong taste and potential nausea limit people from ever having too much. It always feels like every bridgesii dose is exactly the dose I need - I am sure the reason for that is because bridgesii gives me a sense of completeness or finishedness.

Mescaline has a reputation as being a very strong drug from the time when it was given in a purified chemical form. Bridgesii flesh and bridgesii tea are not pure mescaline and contain terpenes found only in this cactus, named by scientists are bridgesinins. I feel like the other compounds in the cactus make the mescaline more apparent and make you need less of it. So basically if you were to take pure mescaline you might not feel it for a while but if it has the appropriate terpenes from the cactus you feel it quicker. That is my theory.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: CreonAntigone] * 1
    #27523247 - 10/29/21 07:09 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah it is interesting how the experience can be so variable at different dose levels.  I find that sometimes experiences can be variable at the same dose with the same plant.  Its like every trip is different, but there is always something that you can learn if you are trying to. 

That report I gave above was quite a strong experience for 9 inches of Bridgesii.  But it was good quality cuttings and I ate the cactus.  So it was strong.  But when I go higher with the amount of cactus it can get stronger still.  18 inches of mature, good quality Bridgesii cuttings is a nice trip.  I'm talking about using the entire cutting.  I'm not sure how much extra it would take with only the green flesh.

But as a tea 18" is a nice, solid Bridgesii trip.  For me its usually on the border of a full breakthrough, but not quite all the way there.  One foot in this world and one foot in the world of patterns and electricity and shifting objects.  You see both.  More cactus will take you deeper but then the Bridgesii starts to get really hard on the body.  Its more immersive and physically intense than many other psychedelics.  You can get really nauseous and tight with muscle discomfort if you go up real high.  I like to get as strong as possible before physical problems become distracting.  18" whole cutting of good, mature Bridgesii usually is right there for me.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Grey Fox] * 2
    #27523408 - 10/29/21 09:17 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)



The biggest ones are PC pachenoi, and the rest are hand pollinated bridgesii, pachenoi, and hybrid pachenoi bredgesii mixes from well bread parents. And some open pollinated mixes too.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Sub-Easy]
    #27523432 - 10/29/21 09:36 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

i have only experienced pc pedros so far (large amounts so some trips were strong,even with pc) too. and reading all about Bridgesii being potent,consistent and good i ordered one cutting few months ago ( it finally grows thick now). i plan to consume it soon but i will probably make a mixture tea of bridgesii and scopulicola.
have you tried mixing bridgesii with other cactus?

and i want to share my tip of dealing with the spikes/thorns
if you grow bridgesii for ornamental purposes or you like the looks of it being thorny dont do it
i pinch them off as they just pop out small and green from the new growth in the top. they just fall of easily and then the cactus grows spikeless (i mutilate the cactus)


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Sub-Easy]
    #27523441 - 10/29/21 09:53 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I've grown a couple times in my life, but something always happened so I only got to try some PC one time, and it didn't do much but I have had mescaline, and it is my favorite psychedelic, even though it was only a little.

Do you have any recommendations on how to best stress them for max potency when it's almost time to cut?

One time, at my old house, I had to buy three ferrets to gard them because the mice would destroy them in the winter when they were put up for hibernation.

I am planing my first big dose this weekend, even though I don't plan to cut them at all until they are at least five feet tall, and then only the tips an use the rest of the trunk to lay flat and get side pups. I like that better than planting them standing up. It seems like you would have to have a whole lot of big plants before you could cut a little, because they need the large green surface to photosynthesis for the fastest growth, and if you just cut the top, wont they shoot out two or more out the top and be too heavy to stand up?

If you just cut them low, it seems like they would grow much slower because they have to start over without much surface to photosynthesis.idk


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Sub-Easy]
    #27523547 - 10/30/21 12:33 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Getting on board this thread :wizard:

I have 9 cuttings all 7-10” I bought about a year ago, and 30 seedlings that are 1/4-1/2”  tall.

The cuttings have not grown much but seem to be taking root nicely. They are in suboptimal growing conditions living in windowsills.

I really want to try cactus because I never have, I’m considering buying some cuttings to consume since mine are taking longer than I expected.

Mine are beautiful often I wake up at night and look over at their silhouettes in the darkness and enjoy them living and sharing my room with me.






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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Grey Fox]
    #27523902 - 10/30/21 10:13 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

My whole experience with bridgesii is that I now have seeds. I’ll be planting them in about a week so I can start the long walk to having something big enough to use. Maybe some day I’ll have some experiences of my own to post about


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: half.fast] * 2
    #27524128 - 10/30/21 01:38 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Remember, unless you grow from seed, you have to make sure the cuttings you get are not PC.

I didn't know about that for years while I grew PC so this is from those PC. I just got them prepared for today's adventure, so I hope they will do something. I'll let you know.



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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
    #27524645 - 10/30/21 09:14 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Its cool to see the interest that you all have in this species.  Lots of seed being planted.  It feels like the genie is out of the bottle and nothing will be able to stop these cacti from spreading all over the world.  Thats a good thing in my opinion.



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have you tried mixing bridgesii with other cactus?





Yes I like to do that.  Years ago there was a forum member named Joe Molloy who talked about doing this.  He said that Bridgesii seemed to potentiate and strengthen the other cactus when combined together.  And I think he was right about this.  There seems to be something "extra" in Bridgesii that has a potentiating effect upon mescaline.  I always add some Bridgesii to the tea when brewing cuttings from other species, otherwise the effects of the tea are noticably weaker. 

But there's debate about this.  And its good to consider other views.  Some people are of the opinion that all these Trichocereus cacti basically have the same effects, because its all just caused by the mescaline and nothing else.  But almost everyone I've spoken to with experience consuming tea from different species all come to the conclusion that this is not the case.  For me the difference between Pachanoi and Peruvianus and Macrogonus and Scopulicola is not that great.  There are some differences but the overall feel to the experience is pretty similar.  It is the uplifting, peaceful, happy, serene feel that "San Pedro" is known for.  Bridgesii is the outlier for me.  It has an "intensity" to it that the others lack and the visuals are the strongest.



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Do you have any recommendations on how to best stress them for max potency when it's almost time to cut?





I dont think that anyone has this entirely figured out yet, though there are some good ideas out there around the topic of "stressing".  Personally I like to age cuttings for a few weeks to a couple of months before using them for tea.  The main thing is just to keep them out of direct sunlight, whether they are stored indoors or outdoors.  In the shade cuttings can survive for many months with no problem.  But I dont put them in complete darkness or try to torture them in anyway.  I like them to still be healthy and in good shape for planting in case plans change.

Hey all the best with your trip!



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Mine are beautiful often I wake up at night and look over at their silhouettes in the darkness and enjoy them living and sharing my room with me.





I feel the same way about them CHUCK.HNTR.  These cacti have a lot of character.  I cant escape the impression of being next to a living being with a strong presence to it when I stand next to these cacti.  When I trip out in the desert the Saguaros have this presence to them too, especially the really old ones.  It feels like they are quietly taking everything in, like they have an awareness to them.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Grey Fox]
    #27524828 - 10/31/21 12:53 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

This is a cool thread. I just received a seedling from a giveaway a little while ago, excited to watch the boy grow and have plans to eventually make cuttings and replant. Some time down the road from that, it's tea time:cool:


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: TheMagicConch] * 1
    #27525298 - 10/31/21 12:24 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

So I split it up, but no one else wanted any, so I drank one whole jar. It's a big quart jar. I have a lot of jars, but I bet you can't guess why. So I don't know if that's a lot, or if it was just strong because the cactus was strong, but I didn't expect much from PC....... I was wrong.

Mescaline has always been my favorite, but I really have only had a couple small doses. And this time I definitely had a good strong trip, although I wish I had taken the last quarter jar, but it was just so damned bitter, and by the time I drank the first jar, I was feeling plenty fine. But I would definitely go bigger with this medicine.

It was very pleasant, and I had energy, could go in public and feel at ease, and it gave an even, happy feeling, throughout the whole trip.

Even other people looked more happy and perky through my eyes, the trip changed a few times but some stuff was constant. Like the energy and feeling willing to go on adventures, it definitely didn't make me smart like shrooms, but kinda dumbed me down and felt a lot like being drunk but with good coordination, also music was great the whole time, and I ended up singing to most of the songs.

The parts that changed were the way things were distorted. At first it was like I wasn't moving in space, but the earth and universe was moving under me like in video games were you stay in the middle of the screen and the scenery moves around and past you. Also, the ground was sliding up and down and side to side a lot. It didn't throw me off balance, but I could feel and see the ground rising and falling and shifting from side to side four or five feet, like how it feels when you are on a boat. But the ground moved like waves on the ocean as it slid under my feet. The visuals were not crazy, but the most amazing visuals just all of a sudden popped up out of nowhere from time to time. It's really hard to explain because the experience changed so many times. One type of distortion would last a while and effect one or two scenes and then the trip would totally change into a different kind of trip. It was a lot like being drunk, on LSD, and on shrooms at the same time. But, towards the end, after I came back to this reality, I still tripped for a couple hours, even though I was back in the real world, but I would get waves of visuals from time to time then everything would look normal. It didn't make everything look like LSD, but things were greatly distorted the whole time, but the visuals at the end were by far the most intricate visuals I may ever get to see. I would be normal from coming down, and then all of a sudden incredible geometric and other colorful visions would appear, last a couple minutes and I'd be back in this world. The whole trip was like that. I'd be tripping and it would start to calm down and I would think I was coming down, but then I would be blasted into a new, even stronger type of trip, so I couldn't tell if it was ever winding down or if I was about to start tripping even harder again.

Overall, not a very intellectual or spiritual trip. I did have a period were I understood people on a deep level, and could see the "big picture" of the world, but mostly I was pretty child like and dumb. I'm surprised I didn't anoy anyone by talking like a drunk moron, and singing every song I heard out loud.

It was mild but also very strong, but I can't really explain how one can have a trip that is stable and also very richly saturated with magic. I've never had a trip like that, and like I said, mescaline is my favorite psychedelic, this time I just got a stronger dose.

Oh yeah, I also took 4g of wonderful, if not weak, mushrooms around 12 in the morning, after I started coming down from the pachenoi. When that was over, I slept great and woke up feeling good.


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    #27525440 - 10/31/21 03:14 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I wanted to add one other thing that I forgot. This is significant because it was a totally different kind of hallucination that I've never seen. During one phase of the trip, entire cerfaces turned different colors. Like one wall would be purple and one wall would be orange.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Sub-Easy]
    #27526816 - 11/01/21 07:30 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I get that a lot with mescaline and or cactus.
I’ll walk into a room and it’s like a light switch turns in and room turns pink or purple . Mescaline is my favorite compound , mostly the intense synthesia is what I love about it . My lst mescaline trip I could feel the heat of the desert from planet earth (documentary ) I was watching . I could feel the sand on my feet , all from my couch .

Bridgessii is also my favorite of the trichocereus that I’ve tried . It had the most intense visuals , lasted longer and was just a little deeper then regular Pedro, Peruvian torch or mescaline .


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    #27526868 - 11/01/21 08:14 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I had a Bridgesii trip over the summer where the color of the walls kept changing.  There are certain colors that I always tend to see.  Orange and purple are the most common.  Sometimes green or gold or silver.  During that trip I would be looking at a wall and the color would just wash out of it.  The wall would become a pale white.  And then a new color would wash over it. 

The OEV's on cactus are different for me than with other psychedelics.  With shrooms the fact that something was a visual caused by the trip would be very obvious.  I knew I was looking at a visual.  But with cactus the visual changes are more concrete and realistic.  The wall color actually changes.  The rocks actually have hieroglyphics carved into them.  That spider actually has a brightly painted human-like face.  It feels like the world around me is changed in bizarre ways, but still actually the world that is around me, if that makes sense.


Sub-Easy nice trip report.  I'm glad it was a good trip.  That PC looks very healthy.  So the tea you drank was most of that cactus in your photos?  Thats a lot of cactus.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Grey Fox]
    #27527023 - 11/02/21 01:08 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Subscribing here too. Have a small cacti collection - few bridgesii and peruvians, one pachanoi, and grafted lophophora. No experience with mescaline, except a failed attempt two years ago when I tried a piece of peruvian torch, rather small cutting, maybe 25cm x 5-6 cm diameter, but felt nothing. Now only grow them, don't have any plans to ingest any of them any time soon - they are just so beautiful plants
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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: wxorx]
    #27530576 - 11/04/21 08:28 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Those are beautiful cacti wxorx.  Those first two photos really show the beauty of Bridgesii.  Any tips for how to grow them?

I've found that Bridgesii are especially sensitive to rot and also to freezing temps.  Bridgesii are the first to get the black rot when there is wet weather in the summertime.  And their tips are the first to turn black from freeze damage in the winter.  They need good drainage and protection from freezing cold.  Bridgesii grows really fast when its happy, but its sensitive to the weather.

Hey how do you all pronounce Bridgesii?  For a long time I pronounced it bridge - es -  ee.  But then I found out that the proper way of saying it is bridge - es - ee - ie.  Its supposed to end with an E I sound, like the E I in the Old MacDonald song: E I E I O.  Thats the "correct" way to say Bridgesii.  But I think that both forms are acceptable in common usage.


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    #27530629 - 11/04/21 09:31 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Latin is dead I say it with a California accent :lol:


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
    #27531234 - 11/05/21 11:24 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Lol.  Yeah I used to think that the pronunciation didnt really matter.  But then I spoke face to face with an older gentleman who had been growing these cacti for decades.  I heard him say trike - oe - serious  bridge - es - ee - ie.  And I realized that I probably sounded pretty dumb saying trick - oe - serious bridge - es - ee.  :grin:

I think its best to pronounce these plant names properly whenever possible.  There is already so much confusion and misinformation out there, we dont need to be adding to it by not even saying the names correctly.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Grey Fox]
    #27531992 - 11/05/21 11:59 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

:jamming:  :cheer:


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