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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: someonewhoisnotme]
    #27673707 - 02/26/22 12:27 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

1.  Some of the popular cultivars have come from the indigenous people.

2.  Lowes/Home Depot PC cacti are not really what you want, although many start with PC.  Sometimes you can find better ones there, TPM or TPQC.

3.  I think that named specimens can absolutely be better in some ways.  Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, sure, but mescaline content is quantifiable.  Some cultivars are consistently found to be many times stronger than average in testing and that is why they are prized.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: flickedbic]
    #27673845 - 02/26/22 05:10 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

The history of San Pedro is fascinating.  Its use by native peoples of the Andes goes back thousands of years.  The temple complex at Chavin de Huantar dates back to at least 1200 BC.  It was a ceremonial site in the Andes where pilgrims from across the Andes as well as possibly from the Amazon Basin gathered to consume San Pedro in a ceremonial context.  There was an elaborate tunnel system built under the temple where people would wander through maze-like tunnels in darkness while tripping on San Pedro.  There were stone statues of deities in the tunnels that the tripping participants would encounter in the dark.  It must have been an incredible experience for those ancient people!  The San Pedro using culture was probably already ancient and well established before 1200 BC for the local people to have undergone building the temple in the first place.

But after the Spanish conquest of the Andes use of San Pedro was forced underground.  There are records of the Spanish authorities interrogating and killing San Pedro shamans during colonial times.  What developed over the centuries was a watered down, mestizo, Catholicized version of the San Pedro ceremony, where use of these cacti was eventually tolerated.  But the ceremonies were no longer about taking large doses in darkness and praying to ancient deities.  That was replaced by low dose use of San Pedro in a Catholicized context where participants would pray to the Roman Catholic saints for good health and for help with problems in daily life.  This version of San Pedro use is what has survived into modern times.  It is practiced in Peru mainly by people of mixed Spanish and Native blood.  The new San Pedro retreat centers in Peru that are manned by "Native Shamans" are a modern phenomenon that arose in recent decades in response to tourist interest.  The pre-Conquest traditions were mostly lost and are being "reconstructed" now with a New Age flair.

And so I believe that there is no one right way to use these cacti.  Nor do I believe that there is some surviving ancient lineage that holds authority over how these cacti must be used.  These are very adaptable plants that are spreading all over the globe right now.  The future is full of possibilities for how people can interact with these plants.  They are both very ancient and very modern.  The future is now and we are all part of shaping how it will be. 

One of the fascinating developments regarding San Pedro is the fact that the low dose, watered down way of consuming it that developed in post-Conquest South America is the version of San Pedro use that outsiders encountered in the second half of the 20th century when these cacti were "rediscovered" by Westerners travelling to Peru.  The standard form of San Pedro usage that outsiders encountered was not very psychedelic at all.  People were not using large enough doses to produce visuals or to undergo strong changes in headspace.

In addition to this, when interested psychonauts in the USA learned about San Pedro and started tripping on these cacti it was almost exclusively with the PC clone of San Pedro, which is much weaker than most other Pachanoi and much much weaker than Bridgesii.  And so San Pedro developed a false reputation as a "weak" psychedelic.  The South American ceremony was weak.  The cacti available in North America were weak.  Many people just assumed that San Pedro is weak.

But now in the 21 century people are discovering that these cacti have the potential to take people on deep, powerful psychedelic journeys.  This is how they were originally used in the pre-Conquest context.  This aspect of San Pedro is coming back to light in modern times.  There is much more to these cacti than what we have been led to believe.  And Bridgesii will play a big role in these new developments.  It is the powerful San Pedro that can reveal the potential of these cacti.  We are now living in a time of discovery and exploration.  The sky is the limit.  The cacti are spreading everywhere and revealing their potential.  Bridgesii is shining as a special member of the San Pedro family.  These are exciting times.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Grey Fox]
    #27674323 - 02/26/22 01:51 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Grey Fox said:
In addition to this, when interested psychonauts in the USA learned about San Pedro and started tripping on these cacti it was almost exclusively with the PC clone of San Pedro, which is much weaker than most other Pachanoi and much much weaker than Bridgesii.  And so San Pedro developed a false reputation as a "weak" psychedelic.  The South American ceremony was weak.  The cacti available in North America were weak.  Many people just assumed that San Pedro is weak.





It is common to talk about 'shaman's bridgesii' under the idea that this cactus was taken from a clone used by a traditional doctor. I wonder if Bridgesii is more consistently potent because there was never any attempt to create a weak version and the sacred versions survived cultivated into the present?

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Have any of you thought to connect to indigenous peoples and get their take on this? Or do you just hit up your local Home Depot or Lowes for landscaping cactuses and go with that? Do you wonder how your trips might differ from theirs? And if you might be missing something from imagining that your fancy-named specimens are more pretty or better in some ways? Do you think that you will have a better trip because you have the latest, and greatest hybrid?





I wonder how the named clones compare to these 'shaman's bridgesii'. I would guess the potent genetics you'd find in a named clone originates from traditional sources.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #27674393 - 02/26/22 02:43 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

since this is probably going to be a megathread before it's all over, I'll contribute as someone with some experience with bridgesii prep, one thing i noticed during a crockpot extraction that I did 2 long (18+ hour) pulls, I can confidently say that if you prechop/prefreeze the cactus and do a long enough pull the 2nd pull is mostly going to be nonactive salts. What was surprising though is I'm not sure exactly what all these brown salts were, all I know is that the experience from pull 1 and pull 2 was night and day. Was very clearly tripping strongly with pull one, dosed pull 2 down the road, could feel something, but it was either placebo or something very minor left in that second pull.

I'm trying to refine this process obviously but it was very clear that the amount of salts in pull 2 that were basically (and with previous experience) inactive were most likely from the core, now traditionally I have read to use the whole cactus, but with this test the mescaline is in pull 1, so pull 2 is most likely a bunch of other stuff. Now knowing that their are some MAOIs in bridge, I knew pull 2 salts could consist of this to some extent, and didnt want to waste it, but the shear amount of salts in pull 2 was surprising, especially knowing that pull 1 contained nearly all of the mescaline. All though I do not know the quantities of what these potential salts could be made of in pull 2, the takeaway is their was a lot of stuff left after evaping the water off of pull 2. And just for note, I did small chunk chop and freeze of the entire cactus, core included and pulled the entire cutting, not just the dark green.

Now with all this in mind, do you think that pulling the entire cactus core included and combining pull 1 and 2 together could lead to more medicinal properties, or should 1 24 hour pull be enough if done properly, and why?


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: whenmistweeps] * 3
    #27674809 - 02/26/22 08:56 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Now with all this in mind, do you think that pulling the entire cactus core included and combining pull 1 and 2 together could lead to more medicinal properties, or should 1 24 hour pull be enough if done properly, and why?





Whenmistweeps those are interesting questions.  I use the entire cutting.  I do only one pull, for at least 12 hours. This has always worked well.  I never thought about the possibility of a second pull yielding something different.

There is a thread on the DMT Nexus where a member there named Wolfnippletip did a full spectrum extraction using Bridgesii cuttings.  He then separated the mescaline out from the full spectrum extract.  The mescaline accounted for about half of the original product, and the other half that was left was a brown, gummy material.  He consumed the brown material and found that it was psychoactive but different in effect than mescaline.  It also caused him a lot of muscle tension.  Here is the link if you want to read more about it:

https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=97191


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Grey Fox]
    #27674966 - 02/26/22 11:43 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Grey Fox said:
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whenmistweeps said:

Now with all this in mind, do you think that pulling the entire cactus core included and combining pull 1 and 2 together could lead to more medicinal properties, or should 1 24 hour pull be enough if done properly, and why?





Whenmistweeps those are interesting questions.  I use the entire cutting.  I do only one pull, for at least 12 hours. This has always worked well.  I never thought about the possibility of a second pull yielding something different.

There is a thread on the DMT Nexus where a member there named Wolfnippletip did a full spectrum extraction using Bridgesii cuttings.  He then separated the mescaline out from the full spectrum extract.  The mescaline accounted for about half of the original product, and the other half that was left was a brown, gummy material.  He consumed the brown material and found that it was psychoactive but different in effect than mescaline.  It also caused him a lot of muscle tension.  Here is the link if you want to read more about it:

https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=97191



Yes, I had very similar results, very nice dark amberish brown crystals, and then some with a taffy like consistency, very minimal plant matter. The one time when I consumed both pulls I had complete ego death but it was like 2 foot, I wouldn't recommend that to anyone even with how gentle mescaline is, when doing a double full spectrum pull and combining them, even only holding the medicine down for a short time, I was completely blown out of the water, and I had done LSD Shrooms etc before that.

Maybe something to note is a slightly longer brew could be a happy medium, as I was always fond of longer brews at low temps then the opposite.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: whenmistweeps]
    #27675085 - 02/27/22 05:15 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Maybe something to note is a slightly longer brew could be a happy medium, as I was always fond of longer brews at low temps then the opposite.




It definitely makes a difference. The main difference really is a lot of really high-temp brews end up burning the brew. If the liquid level gets really low and the heat stays up it can all burn up - happened to me once, I left my apartment for a sec only to come back to a burnt black mess. (I tried to add more water and make a tea from what burned and it still worked ok, but something was definitely lost).

If the water level is low and the tea is 'burned', it would introduce a lot of ashy flavors to the brew and greatly increase its nausea-inducing potential. Some curanderos intentionally try to make a 'burnt' brew and to make people vomit to 'expel the spirits'.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #27675456 - 02/27/22 12:29 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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someonewhoisnotme said:
Maybe something to note is a slightly longer brew could be a happy medium, as I was always fond of longer brews at low temps then the opposite.




It definitely makes a difference. The main difference really is a lot of really high-temp brews end up burning the brew. If the liquid level gets really low and the heat stays up it can all burn up - happened to me once, I left my apartment for a sec only to come back to a burnt black mess. (I tried to add more water and make a tea from what burned and it still worked ok, but something was definitely lost).

If the water level is low and the tea is 'burned', it would introduce a lot of ashy flavors to the brew and greatly increase its nausea-inducing potential. Some curanderos intentionally try to make a 'burnt' brew and to make people vomit to 'expel the spirits'.



Yeah, When I was extracting I always kept the crock pot on low, I brewed with the lid on stirring every hour or so gently, then after brewing for 18-24 hours, I would take the lid off, spoon out the cactus chunks squeezing them along the sides of the pot, and left it overnight. I woke up and everything was perfectly evaped, no burning of the medicine, and a very beautiful deep amber crystal pile to awe at upon collecting :wink:


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By chasing after money and dreams that can't come true
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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: whenmistweeps] * 1
    #27684901 - 03/06/22 10:44 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I was wondering if folks would like to discuss different methods of ingesting Bridgesii and other cacti?  Maybe we can share the different methods that we've tried and the outcomes?

I've only ever consumed live cuttings, never dried or powdered material.

Basically I've consumed using 3 different methods. 

The first was to remove the spines and clear skin, and then to cut the cactus into chunks and eat the chunks.  I did this about a dozen times.  It was my preferred method early on.  This seemed to be the most efficient way to consume the cactus.  I would get very high from not that much cactus material.  No alkaloids get wasted.  You consume all of the alkaloids in the material and nothing gets degraded by heat.  But the downside is that you have to do a lot of chewing and swallowing, and then the cactus material sits in your gut like a brick.  You are limited in terms of the volume of material that can be consumed.  After awhile I abandoned this approach because I began to develop a taste aversion to the cactus chunks, and it became too difficult to do all that chewing and swallowing.  This method is probably best done when only using the dark green flesh.

Next I transitioned to brewing tea.  But at first I did a short brew method, boiling the tea for 4 or 5 hours at high heat.  Immediately I noticed a drop in potency compared to eating the chunks.  The trips were weaker and less visual.  I still experienced a lot of nausea.  It was an improvement in that I didn't have to eat all of that cactus material.  But in terms of potency it was a step down and the tea actually tasted worse than the cactus chunks.

Finally I transitioned to a third method, which is the one that I still use.  Now I brew tea, but I use a long brew time and I monitor the heat more closely so as not to burn the tea.  I have learned to make some modifications to the process that seem to improve the final product.  Basically my method is to slice the whole cactus (minus long spines) into very thin pieces (1/8 inch or thinner) and then to cook them in a large pot full of water.  I add the fresh squeezed juice from a lime or other citrus fruit.  I use just enough heat to get a steady (but not hard) boil.  The pot stays covered for the first 6 to 8 hours.  After that the pot is uncovered so that the liquid can begin to reduce.  I continue to cook the tea using just enough heat to keep a steady but not hard boil going.  The amount of heat needed to do this will change as the level of liquid continues to drop, so you have to keep monitoring it.  I end up cooking the tea for another 6 to 8 hours uncovered until the level of liquid drops to a very small amount just at the bottom of the pot.  Then the pot comes off of the heat.  The cactus pieces get squeezed to release any liquid that they contain.  All the liquid is combined and filtered through fine mesh to remove particles.  Then the tea is stored in the fridge for several days to allow any remaining particles / goop to decant.  The decanted tea is the final product.  I shoot for a tea that is not darkened from too much heat and that is as free from particles as possible.  This seems to be the best compromise in terms of retaining as much of the raw cactus intensity as possible while also being as palatable as possible.  I aim to reduce a single dose down to 4 or 5 ounces, usually representing around 18 inches of cactus cutting material.  This is my "sweet spot" for potent, drinkable tea.  I get strong effects, and I rarely ever vomit.

I find it very important to space out drinking the tea over the course of 20 or 30 minutes.  This usually represents 4 to 6 chugs, with a break of several minutes in between.  Its really important to chase each chug immediately by sucking on a fat wedge of lime or orange.  I rub the citrus fruit all over my lips to clean off the cactus taste as much as possible.  This really helps for me.

What works for you?


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Grey Fox]
    #27685206 - 03/06/22 03:00 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Full spectrum extract in gel caps, a lot of weed, some good music and a friend or two


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Grey Fox]
    #27695185 - 03/14/22 03:28 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0378874110004836

"Part of the variation among these published results for the subgenus Trichocereus of the genus Echinopsis may be attributable to real genetic differences in the regulation of mescaline biosynthesis among the various species/cultivars sampled, as well as among populations within a given species/cultivar and individuals within a given population. Environmental factors, including variation in temperature and rainfall (which correlate with differences in altitude), as well as edaphic conditions, could also be expected to contribute to geographic and/or temporal variation in mescaline content. But it was suspected that a significant part of the reported variation in mescaline content of E. pachanoi and related taxa might be attributable to interlaboratory differences in technique. This latter source of variation amounts to noise that may seriously confound previously reported results, precluding a valid comparison among them. It is also noteworthy that much of the published research in this area dates to the 1960s and 1970s, when differences among laboratories were likely greater than at present. There is therefore the need for confirmatory studies to evaluate these earlier results."


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And how they're in a hurry to complicate their minds
By chasing after money and dreams that can't come true
I'm glad that we are different we've better things to do
May others plan their future I'm busy loving you
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How many corners does a sphere have?
"Love does not gloat over other people's sins but takes its delight in the truth"


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: whenmistweeps] * 2
    #27696732 - 03/15/22 07:13 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Here is a link to the full article as a PDF:

http://www.uvm.edu/~dbarring/241/241_PUBS/ogunbodede2010.pdf


There is still so much to be learned about these cacti.  We are still in the early stages.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Grey Fox]
    #27699978 - 03/18/22 10:06 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I'm going to drink some tea in a few hours to celebrate the full moon and also the Spring Solstice which is in a few days.  More of the Bridgesii and El Chapo tea.  Send me good energy Shroomery friends.  I'll check in tomorrow to let you all know how it went.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Grey Fox] * 1
    #27700015 - 03/18/22 10:43 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Good vibes and have fun! :sun:

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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Pandemoon]
    #27700034 - 03/18/22 11:02 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

have fun! i like full moon cactea


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: golmo]
    #27700149 - 03/18/22 12:46 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

you can eclipse the son and the moon on cactus, happened to me


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And how they're in a hurry to complicate their minds
By chasing after money and dreams that can't come true
I'm glad that we are different we've better things to do
May others plan their future I'm busy loving you
"I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth"
How many corners does a sphere have?
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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: whenmistweeps] * 3
    #27701108 - 03/19/22 08:05 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Thank you for the kind words!

This trip was a real heart opener.  There weren't many visuals at all.  Mainly just some minor color distortion and a "fresh vividness" to the way things looked. 

Much of the trip was spent reflecting on my life.  Spent some time thinking about loved ones who have passed.  This often happens when I trip.  But this time was different in that I could think back with much more appreciation of the time that I had with them and how fortunate I was to have experienced those bonds.  The pain of the loss was still there but I was able to feel more thankfulness than ever before for having had them in my life in the first place.  I resolved to do more to honor their memories and to see them as the blessings that they were and to focus less on the pain of the loss.  It felt like this was a big step for me.

I was able to reflect on my life and see everything with incredible clarity and perspective.  I gained insights about the current situation of my life and how my attitude needs to shift to being more appreciative.  I saw what an amazing gift it is to be alive.  I want to be present more.  I want do invest more time and focus and positively into my family and also into my health so that I can continue to be there for my family for a long time.

It was kind of heavy but it was needed and the insights were very beneficial.

After all that I watched the movie Stepbrothers and completely laughed my ass off for a couple of hours.  It was so hilarious and exactly what I needed!

So overall it was a really good trip.  I'm very happy to have done it.  I want to hold onto the lessons that were learned as much as possible and to live them out, especially in terms of having a more appreciative attitude and being more present in the moment.

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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Grey Fox]
    #27707929 - 03/25/22 09:54 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Earlier you asked about preferred method,

I used to succeed with 69ron food safe but after failure like some have mentioned, it’s not worth it. Plus water is free and safer than limonene. Sometimes I would puke on extract but not tea.

Large mixed batch tea, filtered well, reduced to 5-8 ounces, separated and frozen till ready. Simple and works great. Nice and clean and perfect :smile: Couple gulps chased with whatever you like. Chamomile or ginger are good chaser additives.

Nice report, thanks for sharing! Sounds like a great one


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Spicy]
    #27709077 - 03/26/22 05:56 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

It sounds like you have a good method there Spicy.  I keep hearing good things about ginger.  Many swear by it for helping with the nausea.  I may try it one day.

I agree with you that tea has advantages over chemical extraction.  It seems that the main benefit of going the extraction route is that one can be more precise in terms of dosage.  But I think that gaining familiarity and experience with one's source material goes a long way in terms of making the dosage of tea more consistent, especially when folks grow their own.

As you point out, the fact that that tea is cheaper and safer to make are huge advantages.  I also think that the process of making tea is much more accessible for many people who do not have experience with chemistry.  And accessibility is one of the great strengths of Trichocereus cacti.  Anyone can grow them and eventually build up to a lifetime supply of tripping material.  After that one only needs to have the ability to slice with a knife and boil water.  The ease and simplicity of growing the cacti and then making the tea are important factors to consider.  I believe that they will contribute to the continuing spread of these cacti, as more and more people discover that growing the cacti and making tea are easy to do, and so incredibly rewarding.  We just have to get past this early stage of profiteering that currently is going on, with cacti being sold for ridiculous amounts of money.  But as more and more of these cacti are grown all over the world, eventually this will pass as well.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Grey Fox] * 1
    #27709536 - 03/26/22 02:02 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

the hardest part is to get good quality cactus. but thats why this thread is about Bridgesii, which usually does the job


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