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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Sub-Easy]
#27591767 - 12/23/21 11:04 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Starting 100 seedlings this winter... Will report back in a couple years I guess. Great thread.
How you guys figure cacti rate among themselves in mescaline content?
Trichocereus Pachanoi < Trichocereus Peruvianus < Trichocereus Bridgesii < L.Williamsii ?
I'm sure this has been discussed to death, but it's so hard to know. I guess each cactus also varies among varieties.
Great thread, cacti are so exciting.
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Looking good Sub Easy!
Anatomality if you go just based on proven mescaline content then the best quality Pachanoi are 1st and Bridgesii are 2nd. But full spectrum tea from Bridgesii is almost always stronger than all the others. Go figure what that means?
From my experience Bridgesii > Scopulicola > Pachanoi > Macrogonus > Peruvianus > PC. But thats just from the limited number of cacti that I've personally consumed. Terscheckii and Validus and some of the other species are also supposed to be quite active.
All the best with your cactus!
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Sub-Easy said: Now the powder is the way to go. It's great. Just harder to find
Yes powder would be great - that could easily be mixed into fruit juice.
There is probably some TEK for turning a cutting into powder, somewhere... any ideas? I will do some research if no one else has something. It probably isn't hard. Some process that would be similar to drying shrooms. Maybe even the same process? Perhaps cutting out the more-active green pieces, then in a dehydrator? That'd probably obtain powder.
No I mean pure mescaline with an acid/base extraction.
That's the way to go, if you want to go through the effort.
I like my projects, I try to do all the technical stuff and build the best equipment for growing and lab work.
It's half the fun of these substances, the hobby part.
And I do hobbies to the hard core.
I like making it as perfect and professional as I can.
I should start building and selling supplies and kits.
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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Sub-Easy]
#27591805 - 12/23/21 11:52 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think there'd be a big market for a good extraction kit. Cactus is really taking off everywhere, and people (myself included), want the best experience as possible. Reducing nausea via a quality extraction would be a part of my hobby as well.
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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Sub-Easy]
#27591809 - 12/23/21 12:04 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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They all have secondary chemicals that color the effects.
It's worth growing several kinds, but the traditional ones are prized for how fast and easily they grow in different climates.
I planned 200 here, so that gives you an idea of how much 100 seeds will get you.
I actually have exactly 200 that made it.
Only three of the ones that sprouted died.
And some probably didn't sprout, so I guess, even though I ordered 200, I probably got extras.
puresanpedroseeds is the place I got mine.
He makes YouTube videos, and lives in Spain.
Super cool guy, like a lot of people that sell supplies.
These small companies are owned by really great people.
So I got a bunch that were four inches tall already, and 200 seeds
He hand pollinates, so he has a few pure, and a few hybrid, and all have the names of the parents, so you can keep track of breeding if you want.
His stuff, coustomer service, and knowledge, is top quality, and well worth the price.
Supper nice guy, that is just growing out of his house.
Plus his YouTube videos are a must watch.
I think I found him from a Link in a Willy myco video, and if you know Willy, you know he has his shit together.
I built all the equipment Willy myco has videos on, and I use his links to buy all the material.
He already has found the best deals for you, and you just buy the stuff from the Link, and build exactly how he showes, and the stuff works great.
You got to watch Willy myco on YouTube if you want perfect advice and save lots of money and have a top notch setup. I did it and I have perfect results, and everything I need to do anything, at any scale, when it comes to the hobby.
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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Sub-Easy]
#27591826 - 12/23/21 12:25 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have done a ton of research, and read many Tek and chemistry books, plus understanding acid and base, and basic chemistry is important in alot of my hobbies, like fish keeping, and primitive technologies for servival off the grid. You know, making things for preserving wood and animal husbandry.
You got to know chemistry for a lot of hobbies.
But to be honest, I could probably do an extraction from memory, but I have never actually done one, and I haven't located any information yet on refining the output of the acid/base product.
Pure, white powder is not something I have found out how to make. But it's not necessary, because just the basic extraction is a fine product.
I just like getting it perfect.
But yes, a good kit would save you a lot of wasted money trying to find stuff separately and finding out what equipment works best.
I will say that even though Midwest grow kits makes a great quality product, if you start from scratch, and you know what you are doing, you can upgrade for the same price as the kit.
That's why Willy myco is so great. You can scale up to commercial food production level of growing, but for the same price as a small grow kit setup.
I can grow about 1000 pounds of oyster mushrooms in one grow.
Of course I just grow enough for me and my family to make dinner.
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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Sub-Easy]
#27591852 - 12/23/21 12:59 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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I was recommended a d-limonene extract from 69ron.
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I failed most of the times I tried to extract pure alkaloids via acid/base extraction using d-limonene. I had two sucessfull attemts using xylene and HCl instead.
Easier is making a concentrated tea (which can be frozen for storage), or then drying this tea down to tar to get a dry extract that can be swallowed to avoid the bad taste. See the links in my signature if you are interested. Eating cactus raw or making tar, those are the best ways to go imho. Eating raw is the quickest way to go, with tar a handfull of small pellets is all you need to swallow.. 
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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Grey Fox]
#27593903 - 12/25/21 10:40 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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hey grey fox. i always hear you praising Bridgesii. (which i have never tried before and currently growing 1).
i know they are considered most consistent and usually potent to have a trip but does the trip feel pretty much the same between different Bridgesii phenotypes? did you have a lame (or not potent) bridgesii?
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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: golmo]
#27594010 - 12/25/21 01:02 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Golmo I've tried at least 10 different Bridgesii clones and all of them have been stronger than any of the other Trichocereus species that I have had so far. I haven't found a weak one yet. There might be some weak Bridgesii out there, but I haven't come across any yet.
Its hard to say from clone to clone what the differences are because every trip is unique. But in general I have found that at low to moderate doses Bridgesii is not that different from Pachanoi. It is stimulating and usually happy / positive feeling for me. But at larger doses the character of the Bridgesii starts to really show. Big doses of Bridgesii become very visual. Lots of CEVs and OEVs. I get a lot of muscle tension. I feel heavy and lethargic for large parts of the trip. There is more of a serious, almost stern, quality to the headspace for me. I feel the love and clarity like Pachanoi has. But everything has an amped up feeling of intensity to it that makes the trip less "fun" and more of a serious ordeal kind of experience. As the peak wears off and the trip trails off then I often will feel that increase of energy towards the backend of the Bridgesii trip. It just has a more challenging, serious, deeper feel to it in general. After the trip there is a sense of gratitude and relief to be back in a normal state and to have learned those lessons. It may well be possible to get to a similar place with Pachanoi or Peruvianus, but I think that it would take a large amount to get there.
These have been my experiences. I'm curious to hear from others who have also gone deep with Bridgesii to hear what their experiences have been.
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#27594087 - 12/25/21 01:50 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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a little trick to help you with spines (if you grow a long spine cactus for mescaline and not for toothpicks). I pinch the spines off (gently with my fingers) when they just pop out and are still fresh and tiny.
and this Bridgesii
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 and i dont need to fight them when they are long and hard. (and i even like the look of it spineless)
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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: golmo]
#27594436 - 12/25/21 09:48 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh come on man! Grow a spine!
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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Sub-Easy]
#27594477 - 12/25/21 11:08 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's a good idea for removing spines before you harvest it.
But: When it is growing I'd keep them on.
I'm actually pretty sure the spines contain mescaline. Scientists say the plant makes the alkaloid to control insect problems. So since the spines are to ward off or harm animals, it makes sense that it'd infuse this alkaloid into them. It'd make the prick more effective.
I swear whenever I get pricked by bridgesii from mishandling it I feel something. The prick is a strange feeling. I think the tip of the spine is coated in mescaline.
Mescaline can be delivered topically, in which case it is a different feeling. If a cactus were to infuse a spine with mescaline, it could deliver some by a prick. Maybe with a prick this wouldn't matter much but if an animal got seriously injured by the spine, mescaline could get infused into the wound.
This is just a theory, I suppose it could be tested cheaply and easily: collect the spines and run an indole test on just them.
It is hard to conceptualize what mescaline would do to the animals it interacts with.
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i think the spines are the physical defence mechanism and alkaloids are the chemical mechanism. even if the spines do have mescaline, there is no way its in significat amount
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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: golmo]
#27595422 - 12/26/21 04:53 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's a cool idea, but unfortunately we don't live on a plant cool enough to have lifeformes that are capable of injecting us with mescaline.
I wish we did.
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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Sub-Easy]
#27598566 - 12/29/21 12:04 PM (2 years, 29 days ago) |
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This is exactly wha tI was looking for. I have a bunch of seeds from misplant on order.
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#27599522 - 12/30/21 07:30 AM (2 years, 28 days ago) |
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Best luck with growing that seed Snowfat!
I'm drinking tea today, in a couple of hours. Ended up brewing the tea over the weekend for 14 hours. It came out to 48 ounces, which was way too much volume (since it is getting divided into 3 doses). So I spent 2 more hours reducing it down to 16 ounces, which divides into 3 doses of a little over 5 ounces each. That's much more manageable to consume! The tea was made from a 27 inch piece of Bridgesii and a 24 inch piece of El Chapo (Scop/Pach hybrid?). So the dose of tea I'll be drinking has alkaloids from 9 inches of Bridgesii and 8 inches of the El Chapo. Fat cuts from big plants, aged for a little over a month. Wish me luck! I'll check in on the other side.
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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Grey Fox]
#27599607 - 12/30/21 09:00 AM (2 years, 28 days ago) |
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Have a good journey Grey Fox Look forward to hearing the report
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Any advice on stressing them to up potency, or adding whatever the pharmaceutical is to the soil.
I really think we need to stress them.
Any thoughts.
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