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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: golmo]
#27839281 - 06/27/22 05:03 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I thought it all sounded good to me except the I felt wrecked part…. Ahh well, so I think if my math it correct what I’m going to split is 100grams of the sp powder made into tar. So 50 grams each, about 16 grams of tar extract…
Lol, my buddy said it was only good for a stomach ache. I don’t think he fasted at all though…. I think that’s important ain’t it?
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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Enjoil]
#27839871 - 06/27/22 10:25 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah with cactus it can be unpredictable how strong the trip will be. I was definitely tripping. Saw visuals. Was in a psychedelic headspace. It just wasn't nearly as strong and intense as I know cactus can be. That surprised me. Was expecting this to be a big one.
I'm still holding out hope that one or both of the other two doses is stronger. It always seems that the liquid at the bottom of the container is more bitter. Pretty sure that this was the first dose poured from the top of the tea when it was divided. Just have to see.
And I really need to start paying attention to how much these cuttings vary in strength based on the time of year when they're harvested.
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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Grey Fox]
#27840051 - 06/28/22 02:00 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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My theory is that these plants produce more alkaloids in the bottom part, right near the ground, and if a cutting is harvested and lais on the ground it gets stronger over time.
If alkaloids are really a defense mechanism this makes sense. Small animals that would eat the plant live on the ground, so the strongest defense should be built near the ground.
Snails like to eat the tips. The tips are soft and have the fewest alkaloids. Why do they not just eat lower parts of the plant, but climb all the way up?
The cutting I talked about was laying on it's side and had side roots grown all along. I really believe this made the cutting so strong. When a cutting lais on it's side it knows that it's more vulnerable and then naturally starts pushing alkaloid production to survive.
Anyone of you who has multiple plants of the same variety growing (Grey Fox?) should do a side-by-side test. Cut two identical colums of the same plant, process one into tea right after harvest and freeze it, the other cutting you keep laying on the ground for weeks or months untill it grew side roots. Then make tea and then compare both trips.
It's just a theory.. I really believe this to be true, but I don't have the opportunity to test this as I don't have plants with multiple colums growing.
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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Pandemoon] 2
#27840084 - 06/28/22 03:24 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I've had mixed results with making tea myself and hear others saying the same...it seems it can either be over or underwhelming. I'm a big fan of the limonene/acetate tek (69ron's) for this reason. I feel like I say that a lot on here, but I really like the similarities to tea and more accurate dosing...and not having to use petro solvents or mess with hcl or sulfuric acids. I really think a lot of the magic is in the other things besides mescaline. Don't get me wrong pure mesc is great, but there's something about the synergy of whatever else is in the cactus with it. I've never done the alcohol tar extract, but often hear it's not as potent as people would like it to be. I always mix different clones and species in my extracts but they are always bridge dominant...because my collection is.
I think that the pests always go for the tips mainly because it's the softest tissue. It hasn't had time to grow thick skin yet, where as the older growth is much harder for them to bite through. Newest growth in many plants is most often attacked for this reason. I found it really interesting that earlier in this thread it was posted that top cuts have the most alkaloids, because I always thought old growth would. I would agree that the brand new growth at the very tip probably hasn't had the time to produce as much as a couple/few inches down though too. I'm sure there's a few variables involved in the production of active compounds in cactus.
I will say that in my last two extracts, I aged all the cuttings for 6-12 months on a shelf in a dark closet... because I heard doing that increased the actives. It doubled(or more) the amount of medicine I got out compared to the first ones I did where I didn't do that. These last extracts weren't as pretty as before, but over twice the yield is better than pretty crystals to me. I think a big part of why it wasn't as nice looking is because it increases all actives, not just mescaline. I do believe a big part of why Ogun tested so high was because it was stuck in a dark box for 6 months or more in transit before it was tested...not to say it's not an extra potent clone, but aging before use absolutely increases the potency IME.
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hummingbird said: I do believe a big part of why Ogun tested so high was because it was stuck in a dark box for 6 months or more in transit before it was tested...not to say it's not an extra potent clone, but aging before use absolutely increases the potency IME.
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i wonder if there will be any difference between aging the cut laying down (log style) in the closet or laying down (log style) outside in the ground(like u r gonna grow it) (same amount of time) and uproot it and cook
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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: golmo]
#27840794 - 06/28/22 02:57 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I'm not sure the plant could really tell the difference, it will start to throw roots out either way. I think darkness/minimal light is a key component to the maximum increase in potency when aging cuttings before use though.
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what about temp? really hot or really cold?
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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: golmo]
#27841233 - 06/28/22 07:36 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Was Ogun tested after shipping for sure?
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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: golmo]
#27841255 - 06/28/22 07:53 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I honestly don't know. You probably wouldn't want it too far either way, if I had to guess...too hot would dry the cut out faster than you would want, and too cold might slow alkaloid production. I would say somewhere between 50 and 70f or so would likely be the best range.
@spicy- that's the story from KT I've read. 6 months or more caught up in a box during shipping and the cuts were beat up some when they finally got them and tested them. Quite a few pachs from the Lima and Matucana area of Peru have a reputation for being extra potent though, Ogun being one.
I would love to have access to chromatography equipment(and know how to use it, lol)...it would be cool to experiment with. I've thought about looking into TLC more, because you could actually afford to do it at home...or make friends with a weed testing lab with fancy shit, hahaha.
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I received my big bridgesii order yesterday!!
So my goal is this, -I would like to take a test run, of maybe about a 4 out of 10 just to get some cactus legs. -followed by another, fuller go. Although at what strength is to be determined. I’m guessing around a 7-8 out of 10.
Most importantly, I am going to save enough of both of these to root and add to my collection.
Let me ask you, if you were me, how would you approach this?
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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Soloist]
#27842824 - 06/29/22 07:41 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Quite a bit of discoloration on those cuttings. I'm curious, did the seller disclose to you that the cuttings were in that condition?
I would try to save those tips for planting. If you take two 6 inch tip cuttings then the material that is left could be used for tripping. You may want to consider doing an extraction as opposed to drinking tea made from those discolored sections.
I would combine what you're going to use from both cuttings into one extraction or tea. Then you could divide that into 3 parts, and use 1 part for an intro journey and the other 2 parts together later for a stronger trip. But thats just one way to go about it. I'm curious to hear what advice others give you.
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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Grey Fox]
#27842850 - 06/29/22 07:53 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Grey Fox said: Quite a bit of discoloration on those cuttings. I'm curious, did the seller disclose to you that the cuttings were in that condition?
I just got a couple cuttings from the same seller in Sebastopol, CA. Similar discoloration -- what are your thoughts on it specifically? I was assuming somewhat stressed conditions not sure what kind though -- they seem adequately watered.
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Grey Fox said: Quite a bit of discoloration on those cuttings. I'm curious, did the seller disclose to you that the cuttings were in that condition?
I would try to save those tips for planting. If you take two 6 inch tip cuttings then the material that is left could be used for tripping. You may want to consider doing an extraction as opposed to drinking tea made from those discolored sections.
I would combine what you're going to use from both cuttings into one extraction or tea. Then you could divide that into 3 parts, and use 1 part for an intro journey and the other 2 parts together later for a stronger trip. But thats just one way to go about it. I'm curious to hear what advice others give you.
Thank you for your response, always look forward to your posts.
No, no disclosure at all. I have to admit that I’m not really to thrilled with the appearance, especially the thin one. I realize though that the genetics are what really matter. Eventually they will be pretty cactus haha. It was a chance I knew I was taking, and I got a really good price. At the end of the day I trust enough that these cuts will give me what I am looking for. Not like I could exchange them anyway.
Extractions aren’t my thing, the more natural the better. Really want to just eat a few inches for my first go…not looking like my best option with these cuts unfortunately.
I like your suggestion of portioning into thirds. Seems like a valid way to have a good gauge on a bigger dose. Once I have my final plan, likely by the weekend, I am definitely going to save those top cuts and aging the rest until October or November. I would really love to plan my first experience in watching the full moon set at sunrise. Let me ask though, does a smaller dose still carry the same duration as a bigger dose? Just weaker?
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Melliferous said: I just got a couple cuttings from the same seller in Sebastopol, CA. Similar discoloration -- what are your thoughts on it specifically? I was assuming somewhat stressed conditions not sure what kind though -- they seem adequately watered.
I’m curious as to the darker, almost blackish sections near the tip. But now I know first hand what a solid sunburn looks like.
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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Soloist]
#27843040 - 06/29/22 09:32 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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If those cuttings were ones I just bought, I would probably cut the small one in half and plant both sides. I would cut whatever amount I would want to make tea with out of the middle of the big one...maybe 6-8 inches or so for what it sounds like you want...then plant the top and the bottom part.
The way the corking on the base is on one side mostly makes me think it's old sunburn damage...maybe a fungal thing from the past...but it looks like it healed pretty well either way. Corky looking stumps will still root and can put out pretty new pups in the future. The dark spots on the tip don't look like something I would worry too much about personally, they should end up turning into a tan scab.
I've got stuff from that vendor a few times, and some stuff has looked great and some looked slightly rough (not terrible though).
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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Soloist] 1
#27843372 - 06/30/22 05:31 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Melliferous said: what are your thoughts on it specifically?
The concern would be that the discolored areas could have been damaged by a fungal infection. Even if something else caused the damage (like sunburn or frost or insect damage), a secondary fungal infection could have occurred there afterwards. Generally you don't want to consume material that has rotted before. I'm not saying for sure that this is what happened here, but it certainly could be possible based on the appearance of those cuttings. The larger cutting is not too bad. But the discolored area on the smaller cutting is large. And you certainly want to make sure that there is no ongoing fungal infection in the cuttings before consuming or planting them, especially if there are black colored spots.
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Soloist said: Let me ask though, does a smaller dose still carry the same duration as a bigger dose? Just weaker?
From my experience larger doses have a longer duration compared to smaller doses. The trip is more intense and keeps on going for longer.
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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Grey Fox]
#27843558 - 06/30/22 08:42 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Jeez. None of that sounds good. Did I get taken advantage of in your opinion?
If I should be contacting the vendor and see what can be done I have no problem with that. Even though I got a good price I still paid a good hunk of money for these.
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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Soloist] 2
#27843873 - 06/30/22 02:12 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Definitely not. They come from Nor Cal and the environment there leads to some scarring and humidity blemishes.
I’ve received cuts from them that looked similar and they grew out very thick and healthy. Just keep an eye on it but should be fine with a little extra care.
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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Spicy]
#27843942 - 06/30/22 03:02 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Happy to see a thread about these!!
I just picked up an 8 inch bridgesii from a local shop. It was under some cheap indoor lights when I bought it and I now have it in my grow tent under about 200 watts of led.
I'm considering putting it on my windowsill,which gets good sun from about 6am to noon.
How should I go about moving it from the tent to windowsill to avoid sunburn?
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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Spicy]
#27844099 - 06/30/22 05:08 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Spicy said: Definitely not. They come from Nor Cal and the environment there leads to some scarring and humidity blemishes.
I’ve received cuts from them that looked similar and they grew out very thick and healthy. Just keep an eye on it but should be fine with a little extra care.
I’m curious though about the dark tips…there is like a grayish petina that scrapes off and if I look close I think I see little black dots.
Going to take a few macro shots this evening before the sun sets and upload them.
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