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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Grey Fox]
    #27522952 - 10/29/21 02:33 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Bridgesii is a dream. I know I'm more sensitive than most but for me even just small amounts are extremely potent. I would probably only need an inch or two of a small cutting to feel something.

I have two trip experiences of bridgesii I've posted. The first is a low dose experience, I ate a few inches of a small cutting to deal with pain from the vaccine. Second was a higher dose, at that time I consumed about half of a tea from my 10-inch cutting. I still haven't broken to the highest spaces of mescaline but that is probably something I'll do in the future.

I think more people should give a 'mild' cactus experience a try and realize that consuming 2 feet in a tea is not the only way to enjoy cactus. It can be even more intense at a smaller dose because you're still in the regular world while tripping, it is like you aren't fully there yet but everything in your everyday world is amplified.

I think just small amounts of flesh could be an effective regular medicine for pain. In that trip report I linked, a small dose was enough to deal significantly with the pain from the shot within minutes. This is the single strongest and quickest I've ever felt a drug in my life so my heightened sense of pain might've made me more sensitive. Topical bridgesii tea seems like a good option for pain, applied to the site of pain. I tried topical tea and I found it was psychoactive although less so than if the mescaline is consumed and also it seems subjectively different like mescaline through skin can just never get you to the same place. But, that is actually a positive for some who do not wish to trip on mescaline. So mescaline in the form of bridgesii tea may be usable on a regular basis without impairment as long as one sticks only to topical application.

I find that smallish amounts are psychoactive but not quite psychedelic, a quite manageable headspace. I think low doses of bridgesii are so unintoxicating you could do most anything you normally do, yet at the same time just a small amount of cactus is needed for me to start feeling something a little mystical. That is the magic of mescaline that it is psychoactive at low doses without being impairing. Mushrooms seem to have a much higher risk of excess, but overdosing on cactus seems hard and the strong taste and potential nausea limit people from ever having too much. It always feels like every bridgesii dose is exactly the dose I need - I am sure the reason for that is because bridgesii gives me a sense of completeness or finishedness.

Mescaline has a reputation as being a very strong drug from the time when it was given in a purified chemical form. Bridgesii flesh and bridgesii tea are not pure mescaline and contain terpenes found only in this cactus, named by scientists are bridgesinins. I feel like the other compounds in the cactus make the mescaline more apparent and make you need less of it. So basically if you were to take pure mescaline you might not feel it for a while but if it has the appropriate terpenes from the cactus you feel it quicker. That is my theory.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Grey Fox]
    #27565316 - 12/01/21 08:35 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I had a conversation with a user here, openmind, about the taste of cactus tea: and he seemed to think it was very unusual that I thought it tasted good.

Having made a very strong tea from a new cutting today, I have to say he was right... but I was also right. He was right that there's an unpleasant taste to the tea for sure, sliminess. The alkaloids produce a sort of crude bitterness. It is very hard to drink. BUT, I think there's good flavors too - almost floral flavors. The problem is to sludgy slimy flavors overwhelm the good flavors.

I recommend this tea method for those with stomach issues: don't reduce down all the way. Reduce down to a volume of about 3 coffee cup's worth. Drink the first two cups quickly, start drinking the last after you are coming up. When the tea isn't reduced down all the way, the bitterness isn't as strong and you can get more flavors. The method of tea to reduce to a shotglass, I could never drink with my nausea. But I can drink tea like this. The tea I made ended up being an dark amber-brown color, a very complex flavor, with a mix of very good and very bad flavors.

But the tea I made was plenty strong... I boiled for quite a long time! Just right now the barrier between colors and the visual space is experiencing somewhat of a dissolution. You don't need to shotgun the cactus tea in a small sitting to trip... slow and steady works. Just start with a higher volume of water before the boiling process.

The sensation of sipping the tea slowly after you are already up is wild... give it a shot!

Oh and I should add I don't do any fasting at all... I have to keep my food schedule even when I use psychedelics. Nausea is reduced for me when I have it 2 hours or so after a good meal, so the stomach is settled. It may be 'stronger' with fasting, but I'd rather treat bridgesii as a good flavor and not have any nausea from it.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Sub-Easy]
    #27565499 - 12/01/21 11:57 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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Now the powder is the way to go. It's great. Just harder to find




Yes powder would be great - that could easily be mixed into fruit juice.

There is probably some TEK for turning a cutting into powder, somewhere... any ideas? I will do some research if no one else has something. It probably isn't hard. Some process that would be similar to drying shrooms. Maybe even the same process? Perhaps cutting out the more-active green pieces, then in a dehydrator? That'd probably obtain powder.

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Having made a very strong tea from a new cutting today,




I will update on this. A very good idea, very very good decision, one of the best I've made in a while to make a tea from my cutting and drink it all!

Personal revelations came bubbling to the surface... in the most sublime way.

Nothing was as it seemed, but everything was OK.

All the gates were opened, for one night everything was possible: that is the only place where one can start healing.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Sub-Easy]
    #27591852 - 12/23/21 12:59 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I was recommended a d-limonene extract from 69ron.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Sub-Easy]
    #27594477 - 12/25/21 11:08 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

That's a good idea for removing spines before you harvest it.

But: When it is growing I'd keep them on.

I'm actually pretty sure the spines contain mescaline. Scientists say the plant makes the alkaloid to control insect problems. So since the spines are to ward off or harm animals, it makes sense that it'd infuse this alkaloid into them. It'd make the prick more effective.

I swear whenever I get pricked by bridgesii from mishandling it I feel something. The prick is a strange feeling. I think the tip of the spine is coated in mescaline.

Mescaline can be delivered topically, in which case it is a different feeling. If a cactus were to infuse a spine with mescaline, it could deliver some by a prick. Maybe with a prick this wouldn't matter much but if an animal got seriously injured by the spine, mescaline could get infused into the wound.

This is just a theory, I suppose it could be tested cheaply and easily: collect the spines and run an indole test on just them.

It is hard to conceptualize what mescaline would do to the animals it interacts with.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Sub-Easy]
    #27600147 - 12/30/21 05:34 PM (2 years, 28 days ago)

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Any advice on stressing them to up potency, or adding whatever the pharmaceutical is to the soil.

I really think we need to stress them.

Any thoughts.




I don't know for sure if it enhanced potency, but the one I had that grew the fastest initially got so wet it looked like it was going to rot, so I repositioned it in the soil then dried it out for a long time. After this it healed completely, started growing like wild and began to take a lot of water.

I think stressing by excess watering periods followed by excess drying periods might do the trick. Or the reverse order.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Grey Fox]
    #27674323 - 02/26/22 01:51 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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In addition to this, when interested psychonauts in the USA learned about San Pedro and started tripping on these cacti it was almost exclusively with the PC clone of San Pedro, which is much weaker than most other Pachanoi and much much weaker than Bridgesii.  And so San Pedro developed a false reputation as a "weak" psychedelic.  The South American ceremony was weak.  The cacti available in North America were weak.  Many people just assumed that San Pedro is weak.





It is common to talk about 'shaman's bridgesii' under the idea that this cactus was taken from a clone used by a traditional doctor. I wonder if Bridgesii is more consistently potent because there was never any attempt to create a weak version and the sacred versions survived cultivated into the present?

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Have any of you thought to connect to indigenous peoples and get their take on this? Or do you just hit up your local Home Depot or Lowes for landscaping cactuses and go with that? Do you wonder how your trips might differ from theirs? And if you might be missing something from imagining that your fancy-named specimens are more pretty or better in some ways? Do you think that you will have a better trip because you have the latest, and greatest hybrid?





I wonder how the named clones compare to these 'shaman's bridgesii'. I would guess the potent genetics you'd find in a named clone originates from traditional sources.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: whenmistweeps]
    #27675085 - 02/27/22 05:15 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Maybe something to note is a slightly longer brew could be a happy medium, as I was always fond of longer brews at low temps then the opposite.




It definitely makes a difference. The main difference really is a lot of really high-temp brews end up burning the brew. If the liquid level gets really low and the heat stays up it can all burn up - happened to me once, I left my apartment for a sec only to come back to a burnt black mess. (I tried to add more water and make a tea from what burned and it still worked ok, but something was definitely lost).

If the water level is low and the tea is 'burned', it would introduce a lot of ashy flavors to the brew and greatly increase its nausea-inducing potential. Some curanderos intentionally try to make a 'burnt' brew and to make people vomit to 'expel the spirits'.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
    #27709628 - 03/26/22 03:33 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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Forgive me if this was already addressed in this long thread, but... which cultivar/variety of Bridgesii is recommended?




I hope it isn't against the rules to name sources for active cactus considering I have posts saying that I use the cactus for medicine. If this is not OK, I'll edit the post.

But I started with cuttings from 'Cactus Kate' strain Bridgesii and they never failed me. Always potent, great and exciting and teaching and mystic trips, depending on dose, set and setting. The taste of the tea was never too bitter. They grew fast outdoors in the summer and did manage to grow indoor, but they etiolated and slowed down near the end of their growth. I will be retrying an indoor bridgesii grow derived from this strain, trying new methods to supplement for a light deficit, such as increased use of organic fertilizer and compost.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Nillion]
    #27738899 - 04/17/22 03:05 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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Mescaline is the dominant alkaloid in T. bridgesii, some specimens have even been shown to have it and little else.





But it also contains terpenes - aromatic hydrocarbons that are psychoactive. It contains some terpenes unique to this plant known as bridgesinins.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Nillion]
    #27757019 - 04/29/22 08:43 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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You likely know that the bridgesigenins are extremely similar to pachanols, if the former was responsible for bridgesii being stronger, why wouldn't the latter make pachanoi stronger? The answer is mescaline concentration.




Pachanols are volatile organic solvents. They are terpenes. Since they are so reactive they'll no doubut interact with mescaline, which strongly hits adrenergic and serotinergic receptors.

We already know terpenes interact with mescaline. People say they take peppermint oil or lemon oil to stop the nausea - those are terpenes in the same class as pacahnols.

I am suggesting that these are unique terpenes that are a bit specially psychoactive. So pachanols will not be the same as bridgesinins, it will indicate their difference.

I am certain pachanol content matters even if mescaline content matters more. Compare two drinks with the same amount of mescaline, in one add pacahnols - I think this would prove me right.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Melliferous]
    #27773944 - 05/12/22 12:17 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Tea time this morning. I cooked it a long time for a really black color.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Grey Fox]
    #27774632 - 05/12/22 08:29 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

I had a very pleasant day, a great euphoric trip, but one vision I still do not or cannot grasp.

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How is it going CreonAntigone?  Did you drink tea this morning?  I hope you had a great day!




I went to the park. And spent the day trying to win the friendship of a certain squirrel. I managed to get him to come to my bench and come within inches of my face. I swear animals can tell I am on mescaline because they come up to me whenever I'm under the influence.

But I realized the little animal is selfish. He wanted food. I thought he was a poor friend, but I realized I needed to get something to win his friendship. This park is pretty close to home, so I left the bench to go back home, and I made some oatmeal for this little guy. When I got back though someone else was sitting in my spot and the squirrel was looking at her. I did not make that friend.

But after that I took a walk and then I started feeling it. And I started thinking about how all our thinking exists in these default networks and that we only rarely get a glimpse beyond them, so that it is impossible to see all the perspectives that are going on. I started to think how with psychs one can access a certain other perspective beyond the standard one. And I was realizing that I was getting a little good at tripping, or at least, good enough to do it regularly. But I felt like this was the first time I ever really thought about it truly, because I immediately realized everything as it was happening, I sort of saw reality as it was becomming psychedelized, as my self was splitting into multiple ones.

And I got the vision itself, a mental image - I saw versions of myself from many years and sections of my life. And I realized that my life has involved a great deal of weakness at being able to change myself, and I've been fighting these versions of myself. The vision, though, was of a version of me that was much much stronger than these other ones - it suddenly appeared, and it destroyed all the other ones. It was me, but glowing red eyes.

The following vision I describe was a mental image. And so it might be the kind of thing a person can daydream about, except I also felt as though my own vision stared at me - this version of me with red eyes, it looked at me.

And my interpretation, thus far, is that it is finally time to destroy myself, all those selfs I've been carrying along. I am stronger, in some ways I am fearsome.

I am afraid of this deep part of myself - the part with red eyes. But it is the only part of me capable of destroying all these other elements. This version of me was heroic and I celebrated what it did, but I was also worried it was evil or had bad intentions. After destroying all these past versions of me, this me with red eyes looked at me - as in actual me, it looked from my vision to my person. This imagined version of myself, stared me down.

I was stared down by myself, from my own soul - a version of me with red eyes has killed all past versions of me, and now this scary version looks at me - I don't regard it as evil, but it doesn't have the same moral principles as others, it seems to be something beyond -

- That concludes my description of the vision. It was a good day actually. This vision I will need to interpret.

I am no longer really hallucinating, but I am sitting here perplexed and trying to get my bearings.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #27774661 - 05/12/22 08:42 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

I know that psychs usually bring up a lot of mental noise and most images don't mean anything. This one thought felt significant to me, and the reason was that I was cheering along as this version of myself destroyed the weak selves from my past.

I interpret it as, it's finally time in my life to take charge, as it were - I always have many competing versions of myself at any time. I've been struggling and fighting all these weak past mes, and using psychs to help.

I need to acknowledge, understand, accept and make peace with this terrifying force with red eyes - I am sure it represents something that is uncontrollable in all of us, and that we struggle in our lives to control it.

In some sense I need to myself become the terrifying force with red eyes! All my life I've been hoping for others to push me in my shape. But it was me I saw in my vision who was possessed to destroy the past selves and build a new future.

I do not mean to distract the thread with these ruminations and open questions. But Bridgesii I think is asking me to make changes to my life, almost demanding that I defeat my past self - can I do it?


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: whenmistweeps]
    #27774669 - 05/12/22 08:46 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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what if you let it control you?




That was my strategy last year when I was first starting on these boards. I'd take whatever dose of cannabis or mushrooms was necessary to completely make my mental faculties go extinct, then I'd post on the boards. This was fun for a short period of my life but it isn't healthy.

Tripping has to be conceived also in terms of a healthy full plan of life, which must entail that the person starts to take control of planning it. Only planning it can actually let a person make any more psychs in the future after all - one has to learn the teks to make the shrooms.

What Bridgesii basically showed me today is that all the basic elements of tripping are all too familiar to me. The trip was so easy, except for the one part I can't interpret. But I think I am being pushed to explore other areas beyond psychs, since actually I have done enough psychs at this point to where they are no longer something out of the ordinary, and so they don't get the same desired effect.

But this trip was still magical. This might be my last magic outing in a little while as I take a break from cannabis.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: CreonAntigone] * 1
    #27774833 - 05/12/22 10:45 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

I love part two of the bridgesii trip. Where it stops being imposing on you, and you sort of get comfortable and blend into the experience.

I have heard people call the second phase of a mescaline trip contemplative. It is like you are there and feel a bit normal, but your mind is still in the psychedelic world trying to figure it all out.

The last hour went by like such a dream, as I just sort of got lost in myself making posts on the shroomery and interacting with all you. I lost myself, but not staring blankly - I lost myself interacting with all of you.

I had a very productive trip. Thank you for this thread, Grey Fox. I agree with you that bridgesii has a dark element, something a bit secret and mystical. I will be glad to compare it with some new pedro cuttings I got. I'll have to make a San Pedro thread for that, though. We could see how it varies.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: whenmistweeps]
    #27777367 - 05/14/22 08:54 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

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This will be my first psychedelic experience.
Think 9 inches or so of a maybe 2 inch thick bridgesii is enough to get me there? I don’t expect easy but I don’t want to be completely overwhelmed…
I’m contemplating eating the cactus raw.



eating cactus raw is near impossible if you are looking for an authentic experience. you will get more alkaloids if you extract the whole thing, including the core, this will add depth to the experience, and I think if you do it right, 9 inches will be perfect for your first time. remember, mescaline is just one thing in bridge, you have some naturally occuring monoamine oxidase inhibitors and other things that most likely potentiate the experience in one or more ways:

3,4-dimethoxyphenylethylamine
Tyramine
3-methoxytyramine
etc.





I agree about bridgesii being unique due to these other MAOIs. I can feel bridgesii really soon after I take it whereas mescaline HCL always has a very long lag time.

But I disagree that you'd need to have 9 inches for an authentic experience. I think a few inches can be OK. I've posted a trip report of just chewing down on a few inches of cactus. I like doing that as you actually feel something right away even if you never trip - there's an immediate recognition.

Personally the way I go about any new psych is testing first very low doses to see what it's all about before jumping in.

But that's just my personal style and others do it different.

And the great thing about low dosing cactus is you can always take more. But you can't take less. So someone can take a low dose in a morning let's say, chewing on some of the cactus. But then they feel they are liking the mindset and wanting to go further - chew more. Or if they are already overwhelmed they can leave the rest aside. It is also recommended to divine tea up in two, this works well with mescaline's very long duration of effect.

You never know what's quite going to happen with these alkaloids, so IMO the better safe than sorry approach is to start low and go slow. I would recommend a high dose at first only if the person is either personally dedicated or getting help from a shaman. But if a person was uncertain, I'd recommend they try a low dose first. It could be a low dose in a tea too - one can take a few inches of the cactus and do a short cook and drink a tea that captures most but not everything. And that'd still be a good way to get introduced to it.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #27777381 - 05/14/22 09:05 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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But if a person was uncertain, I'd recommend they try a low dose first. It could be a low dose in a tea too - one can take a few inches of the cactus and do a short cook and drink a tea that captures most but not everything. And that'd still be a good way to get introduced to it.




I guess I should revise this slightly and say: a 9-inch bridgesii experience would be very very effective psychologically, but I'm worried it wouldn't be the most helpful first psych experience. If someone doesn't know what to expect it might be too much.

A low dose bridgesii would still be fine as it still produces a very euphoric and pleasant mindset shift at the low doses. It just won't let you explore anything too mystic. Even at low doses though, even at a few inches, I was feeling closer to life.

A high dose bridgesii experience is extremely powerful and effective, it is like wielding a surgeon's knife in the soul. If one is ready they should go to it, but one should sample if they're unsure.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: hummingbird]
    #27817231 - 06/13/22 08:28 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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SS02, Kate, and Medicine Man are probably my fastest/best growing bridgesii. KGC grows fast too but is really sensitive to light and humidity changes. My OTB grows pretty slow compared to other bridgesii I have, maybe it's my environment. I don't have psycho0 or Taz, so I can't really comment much on those. I think I've heard psycho0 grows really fast though.


I just found out tonight that the base of the spines on some of my bridgesii glow bright yellow in the blacklight! I don't know what that means, but it's very noticeable and looks cool.




Kate bridgesii is very good, I recommend it. They grow fast with enough sun but I've seen them grow fast even in many unideal conditions. They seem pretty disease-resilient. Ive planted kate bridgesii several times and never had one die.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Grey Fox]
    #27918839 - 08/25/22 07:59 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Those pups in the first and last pic are really impressive! You might end up getting a ton of little cactuses coming out of the log base. Very neat. I had a pedro fall over and it's doing the very same thing.


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