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InvisibleGrey Fox

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Bridgesii Thread * 10
    #27522916 - 10/29/21 02:07 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

So I thought this might be a good place to start an ongoing discussion about Trichocereus bridgesii (also known as Echinopsis lageniformis or Achuma or the Bolivian Torch cactus).

I think that this cactus merits special attention because of how fast it grows and also because of how consistently powerful it is.  I grow several different species of Trichocereus.  I respect and appreciate all of them.  But I always come back to Bridgesii because it constantly produces so much plant material, and the effects are stronger than any of the other Trichocereus that I have.  In my opinion Bridgesii is the most well suited of the Trichocereus cacti for psychedelic exploration and entheogenic work.  It is also the most beautiful looking of the Trichocereus to me.

So what I envision this thread to be is a place for those who have an appreciation for Bridgesii to share their thoughts and experiences, as well as a place for those who are curious to learn more.

The reason that I am starting this thread is that, it seems to me, Bridgesii often gets lumped together with "San Pedro cactus", without being recognized as a unique and special entheogen in its own right.  Those who are familiar with San Pedro know that many of these cacti vary wildly in terms of potency and other characteristics.  The San Pedro experience is often characterized as being a very gentle, not that intense sort of trip.  However Bridgesii possesses a different character to it.  Bridgesii is consistently very potent.  While the Bridgesii experience can be quite similar to what many think of regarding San Pedro (gentle, forgiving, etc), yet at higher doses the unique character of Bridgesii really shines through.  This is an extremely powerful and intense psychedelic.  It deserves it's own treatment and discussion.  And that's what I'm hoping that this thread can be.

So to kick things off I'm going to start by describing my first experience with Bridgesii, in the hope that others will chime in and share their perspectives as well.  Hopefully we can keep this thread going over time so that more and more can be recorded and shared about this special plant.



For me it all began awhile back after successfully ordering several cuttings of Trichocereus bridgesii from some online vendors.  A friend and I decided to test out the Bridgesii to see what the experience would be like.  I dont want to speak for him or to discuss any of the details of what his trip was like.  That's for him to do if the time ever comes for that.  But this is how the experience went for me.

Now I'll start out by saying that prior to this I had on 2 separate occassions drank tea made from the PC clone of Trichocereus pachanoi.  Those 2 experiences were pleasant, but definitely on the weaker side.  I was hoping for more than that from the Bridgesii, but honestly my hopes were not super high.

So one morning in early winter I consumed the flesh of 9 inches of Bridgesii.  The material came from 2 different unnamed Bridgesii cuttings, both of which were quite thick and appeared to have come from large plants.  The cactus was cut up into chunks, with the spines and clear skin removed.  I ate the green flesh and the white inner flesh and core, just the spines and clear skin were removed.

So the plan was to eat the cactus and then to drive out to an isolated spot out in the desert with nice views that was about an hour's drive away.  (I know, tripping and driving is bad.  Don't do it.  I don't do it anymore).  From what I had read and experienced before it would take several hours for the cactus to kick in, so at the time it seemed reasonable. 

About halfway to the destination I began to feel odd.  I felt a heaviness begin to weigh down my arms.  My pupils were getting large.  However we made it to the destination with no problem.  Once there the wind felt incredibly cold (it was 40 F degrees that morning).  I was dressed warmly but the wind cut through my clothing like it wasnt even there.  After hiking a short distance from the vehicle all I could do was huddle down next to a bush, shivering, and curled up into a ball as the wind froze and completely immobilized me.  A growing roar filled my ears as though a large waterfall was nearby.  However there was no waterfall.  Looking down at the ground the small rocks shone and sparkled.  Heaviness and cold washed over me in waves.  I started to think, "This is a lot stronger than what I expected".

We spent that day out in the desert.  The view from that spot was far out into the distance.  During the course of that day the initial waves of cold and heaviness transformed into waves of excitement and energy.  I saw incredibly far into the distant horizon with binocular-like vision.  The hillsides became alive with colors and patterns.  But these visual changes were different from what I had seen before with LSD or shrooms.  They were so realistic looking, as if embedded into the landscape itself.

At the peak it became difficult to speak.  I threw up several hours in while trying to drink some water.  The wave-like nature of the trip was so pronounced.  One minute it felt as if sobriety was beginning to return.  Then the next minute I was rocked by the intensity of the trip.  This went on and on all day.

As the sun began to get low in the sky it was time to start heading home.  I was still tripping very hard.  We encountered some people near where we had parked.  The interaction with them was awkward and confusing.  I had difficulty understanding what objects they were holding in their hands.  I stumbled awkwardly right though the middle of their group.  I'm sure that they probably thought I was nuts.

The drive home seemed to take forever.  It was very dangerous.  I had no business driving in that state, but managed to make it hime safely.

The trip continued on late into the night, gently subsiding in intensity as the hours passed.

I learned to have a lot of respect for Bridgesii that day.  It was the beginning of a relationship that has continued on for years now.  Bridgesii is a powerful medicine.  It will smash right through any barriers that your mind has constructed.  It will show you what is behind there. 

These days I grow many Bridgesii plants.  And every few months I spend some time journeying with it.  I have a lot of love for this cactus.  It deserves a lot of respect.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: hummingbird] * 8
    #28089935 - 12/09/22 07:42 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)




The smaller piece (42 inches) fell down about 6 weeks ago (stored in the dark since then).  The larger piece (53 inches) fell down a few days ago.  From two different Bridgesiis.  This happens pretty often with Bridgesii.  Really it happens with all of the San Pedro species.  From time to time columns fall over.  They will grow right where they fall if left alone to root there.

Bridgesii grows the fastest (in terms of height) of all the Trichocereus species in my yard.  It also volunteers the most fallen columns.  I believe it is a characteristic of Bridgesii to grow very fast and then topple over.  Sometimes it feels like the Bridgesiis are racing to spread out like this.  There will be optimal weather conditions for growth.  The Bridgesii will shoot up fast.  Then down the road some of the columns will fall over.  Its like clockwork.  A cactus thicket in the making.  Bridgesii loves to do this.  If they are happy they are growing fast.  And if they are growing fast they are getting ready to fall over.  Its what they do.

PC is similar.  PC has a reputation for being really tough and easy to grow.  And it is.  It is less finicky about humidity and rot than Bridgesii.  But besides that, Bridgesii is just as tough and fast growing as PC.  They both drop columns easily.  I think it has something to do with the fact that both tend to be thinner than Peruvianus and Macrogonus and Scopulicola and non-PC Pachanoi.  PC and Bridgesii grow thinner columns.  And both grow very fast.  And both fall down even easier than the other Trichocereus do.  In that regard PC and Bridgesii are very similar.  Perhaps it is true that PC has some Bridgesii genetics in it.  Fast growing, tough, generous plants.  But I still have to give Bridgesii the edge in terms of speed of growth and how many columns it volunteers.  It has a slight edge over PC.  And when it comes to mescaline content, Bridgesii is the clear winner.  PC's main advantages are that it is a little better at avoiding rot and it flowers easier than Bridgesii.  PC may also be a few degrees Fahrenheit more cold hardy than Bridgesii.  But besides that Bridgesii is superior in all other regards.  It is more beautiful too.

I see incredible potential for the active Trichocereus species to become widespread symbiotic companion plants (for humans!).  The potential is there.  We are now just seeing the early stages of this process.  And just as it was recognized that PC is uniquely adapted as the perfect San Pedro for nurseries to propagate because of its characteristics (fast growth, toughness, ease of blooming), so too it will come to be recognized that Bridgesii is uniquely adapted for the new chapter of human history that is starting now in which people all over the world will seek out psychedelic plants to grow at home.  Because Bridgesii is the perfect entheogenic plant to be grown at home.  The potency is there.  The beauty is there.  It grows so fast.  It freely offers up so much plant material.  It is a psychedelic workhorse.  And it lives for centuries.  And it has a presence to it.  It feels like an awareness.  Like it knows you're there looking at it.  It has a character to it, like all plants do.  But even more so somehow.  Like an old man from up in mountains where its dry and harsh.  It has that toughness to it.  That wisdom to it.  But it is kind and generous too.

And so I believe that all the San Pedro species will spread out and symbiose more and more with humanity.  But Bridgesii will be the tip of the spear.  It will be a special one.  Because it is so well suited to meet humanity's need for healing and reconnection.  It grows so fast and is so beautiful and so full of the medicine that humanity needs and desires.  A golden age is beginning now for these special plants to spread and partner with people all over the world.  Big corporations are not required.  Governments are not required.  Churches are not required.  Doctors are not required.  It just takes a few seeds or cuttings.  A little bit of space.  A little bit of water.  And some patience.  And people will be free to have their own medicine.  Their own healing.  Their own spiritual spiritual path of real power.  Not the make believe stories.  Not the placebo sacraments.  Not the imaginary figures.  But real healing.  A real ally right there to see and touch.  And more love for the planet.

Those two pieces of Bridgesii that fell down in my yard.  That's 4 strong trips right there.  Powerful medicine with many visions.  Just volunteered to me.  By my friends the Bridgesiis.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: KeyMaker] * 7
    #28301173 - 04/30/23 02:18 PM (8 months, 24 days ago)

Here are some Bridgesii.  These plants were all started as cuttings 2 - 3 years ago from pieces that broke off of older plants during storms.  Bridgesii keeps spreading and colonizing the yard.










And here are some Bridgesii pups:






Check out the podcast "The Mescaline Garden".  Good discussion about Trichocereus and Lophs.  Interesting perspectives on the different Trichocereus species and clones.  Also talk about preparation, effects, and more.  From Australia.

https://www.themescalinegarden.com/podcast


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Bardy] * 6
    #27902311 - 08/13/22 06:47 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

7 new pups on the SS02 that I harvested for the last tea!  Here are side views and top views of the pups.  Its a beautiful clone.  But it seems to be right on par with average, unnamed Bridgesii in terms of strength.  Next time I'll go with 18 inches of fat cuttings for a single dose of tea.  At 12 inches the tea was underwhelming for me.  I think I'm used to tripping pretty hard from cactus.  Even if the weight of the cuttings seems a lot, that's how much it takes to go deep with this medicine, at least for me.











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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Spicy] * 6
    #27929854 - 09/01/22 11:17 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

There are points during a cactus trip, when its strong, when I feel pulled down into the chair or sofa or bed or floor or ground by a heavy weight.  Time slows down tremendously.  Changes flow over my visual field.  Colors morph.  Details pop.  Patterns form, link together, and spread into an overlaying net.  Striped rainbow-like bars of odd colors run through things.  Swirling vortexes  appear.  Tin, singsong, alien voices faintly trill bizarre, sped up tunes from 100 yards away.  I feel each breath, slow and deep and heavy.  Until time almost completely stops.  And words pop into my head or mouth from some far away forgotten place, "This is strong" or "You're tripping hard".  And the weight of it washes over me with heaviness, an unending, flooding wave that goes on and on and on, sometimes ladened with emotion: joy or Amazing! or despair.  But with an openness and intensity that seems impossible in real life, except maybe when I was a small child.

But slowly, slowly it abates.  Slowly, slowly the heaviness lifts.  And then I feel light again.  I feel the urge to get up and move!  And my mind becomes fast!  With the most incredible clarity like a razor able to cut through anything and understand it all from the perspective of 1000 feet overhead!  Incredible, shockingly vivid mental clarity.  To see why I do what I do and to accept that this is me!

And just as I begin to delve deeper, suddenly the heaviness begins to return.  And slowly, slowly the heavy wave builds.  And time begins to slow down.  And I feel pulled down into the chair...

And on and on it cycles.  For hours.

This is a Bridgesii trip for me, when it is strong.  On and on, all day.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Ditchdude] * 6
    #28347539 - 06/04/23 08:30 PM (7 months, 20 days ago)

Bridgesii are one of my favorites.  If they are happy, all is well.

This is one of mine, acquired circa 1980 and in this location for just over 20 years.  I hadn't planned to keep it there, but it really liked the location, so I left it.

Hope you enjoy the photo.



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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Soloist] * 5
    #27837199 - 06/26/22 08:51 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

It was a lovely trip.  But not as intense as I had expected.  Probably should have divided it into 2 doses instead of 3 to really get there.  There were visual changes and euphoria.  It was a very nice trip.  But I had wanted to go really deep, and I didn't get all the way there. 

Spent the day at home.  Lots of heaviness and sedation up front.  A few hours in and the visuals kicked in.  There was a "snow" that overlayed everything.  Mostly it was purple but sometimes it would be yellow or rainbow colored.  Some objects melted.  The walls had a purplish hue.

I felt no physical discomfort or negative side effects at all.  There was nausea at first from the horrible taste of the tea.  But after that cleared there were no more problems.  Felt a lot of euphoria and physical pleasure.  It felt amazing to just lie down and stretch my limbs.

Felt clearheaded and very lucid.  Tripped all day at a pretty constant level of intensity the whole time (around a 5 out 10 in terms of intensity).  There were waves to it, but overall it was a pretty constant plateau sort of trip for the whole day.

It was really nice, but just less intense than what I had anticipated.  I've been feeling great ever since the trip.  Lots of good insights and lessons to reflect on.  The cactus always challenges me to think more about how I treat other people, especially the ones I am closest to.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Pandemoon] * 5
    #27866322 - 07/17/22 02:19 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Its been a little over 3 weeks since that trip I took with the SS02 and Altmans TPM.  I still feel the cactus working in me.

Immediately after the trip I felt some disappointment because the trip was not as intense as I had expected it to be.  But as time has passed I keep reflecting on that trip and realizing that it's effect has been deeper and more long lasting than I initially could have understood.  I mistakenly thought that because the visuals were not so intense and because my ability to communicate with words and to complete simple, everyday tasks during the trip remained so strongly intact that the power of the trip was not so great.

But I now understand that that trip initiated a long, slow, breaking down and reconstructing of layers of my mind.  For approximately two weeks after tripping I felt a slow clumsiness to my mental processes.  I was acutely aware of many shortcomings in my perceptions and attitudes.  I saw so much of my own weakness and ignorance.  My many faults and shortcomings were so obvious, as though laid our neatly before my mind's eye.  I came to recognize more clearly the frail, limited nature of this human perspective.  I felt as though the cactus had cut open my mind, like a scalpel, and revealed rot and weakness inside.  I even became physically sick and weak for much of this time.  My strength was gone.

But this last week I have begun to feel stronger again.  It feels as though my mind is coming back together again, stronger and sharper than ever now.  It was like living through a slow motion death and rebirth.  The cactus took its time with me.  It was gentle as a feather, but I recognize now how heavy and powerful that feather was.  It smashed me, and slowly I came back together. 

This cactus is so interesting because it gets to the root of things like nothing else.  Even as it is working in you, sometimes you are not able to know that work is being done until afterwards as you reflect back on it all.  That is what the cactus did to me.  And I didn't even know it.

I feel a lot of peace right now.  I worry less and try to live in the moment more.  So many things are coming together in my mind and my life.  This is a beautiful path to be on.


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: asmr] * 5
    #28012064 - 10/23/22 07:41 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Here is an interesting article from the journal Nature.  It discusses the current status of mescaline in psychedelic research.  According to this article there is some recognition in the psychedelic research / investment world that mescaline has unique characteristics that could make it an an excellent choice for psychedelic therapy.  Some companies are moving forward with studying mescaline's medical potential.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-02873-8

I don't know what to think anymore about all of this "Psychedelic Renaissance".  At first it was so refreshing to see the broader scientific community soften its stance on these compounds.  But as the movement to develop actual treatments has progressed I've grown more and more concerned that this is becoming a big rush to concentrate control and profit into the hands of a few well positioned companies.  In addition, it seems that many people want to make a career out of psychedelics.  But its all predicated on making the psychedelic experience expensive and highly controlled by gatekeepers.  All of this is concerning to me.  In the grand scheme of things, I think the Decriminalize Nature folks probably have it right.  Just take all the penalties away from growing and possessing these plants, and leave people alone.  This big push to patent and monetize the chemicals in these plants and fungi... it all feels very unpsychedelic.  Ultimately, the magic of these substances is that they allow You to come face to face with You (and Nature and the Universe) in ways that would otherwise be impossible.  They are a human birthright.  It shouldn't take a prescription or anyone's approval to access a birthright.  And it shouldn't be highly monetized.


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Re: Bridgesii Konusu [Re: Grey Fox] * 5
    #28413204 - 07/29/23 08:19 PM (5 months, 27 days ago)

Check out this bridgesii extract


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: TempestDnB] * 5
    #28520184 - 10/27/23 02:05 PM (2 months, 30 days ago)




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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: GenericHero] * 4
    #27765505 - 05/06/22 06:10 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

I want to share a link to a recent post on another forum by Keeper Trout.  He is a highly respected authority on San Pedro and Peyote. 

Here is the link:

https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1150160#post1150160

Here is the text of the post:

"Just a thought echoing what was already said. If a person took 200 grams of something that was 1% their dosage level would be 2 grams. If it was 2% double that, etcetera. Some of the bridgesii strains are coming back in the range of several percent or so, so adverse perceptions of bridgesii are likely due to unanticipatedly high dosages. Pachanoi and peruvianus often have other molecules like 3-methoxytyramine or DMPEA that competitively interfere with mescaline binding to receptors so are perceived of in a lighter way whereas so far only mescaline is being observed in bridgesii. An analytical project is underway as this is being written so eventually a lot more resolution will be available. Mescaline is a beautiful experience at an appropriate level but a really high dose is challenging and uncomfortable."

There is a lot of important info in this post. 

First of all, he addresses the fact that in current, ongoing scientific research it is becoming clear that Bridgesii contains very high levels of mescaline.  Some clones of Bridgesii have levels of mescaline that are on par with peyote.

Second of all, in that ongoing research it is also becoming clear that there are additional chemicals in Pachanoi and Peruvianus that appear to interfere with mescaline's ability to bind with receptor sites in the brain.  In other words, it appears that with Pachanoi and Peruvianus additional molecules are reducing the perceived effects of the mescaline.  Interestingly, Bridgesii is not being found to have those additional molecules, and therefore more of the mescaline in Bridgesii would be available to bind with receptor sites in the brain compared to Pachanoi and Peruvianus.

This second point is fascinating because for many years people have been thinking that there must be additional chemicals in Bridgesii which are boosting its potency.  How ironic that it might actually be additional chemicals in Pachanoi and Peruvianus that are making those species feel less potent than Bridgesii!

However, much more cientific research into the psychoactivity of Trichocereus cacti is still needed.  There is still so much more to be learned.  I'm really looking forward to hearing more about the new research that is coming to light now.  I'll try to share more here in this thread about new research that is being released as I learn about it.

And so, there was also a recent article in the PhytoChem and BioSub Journal in which it was discovered that mescaline concentrations in Trichocereus cacti appear to be greatest higher up on the the column, and gradually decrease from there the farther down on the column that was tested.  In other words, the top of the column contains more mescaline than the middle of the column.  And the middle of the column contains more mescaline than the bottom of the column.  And there are other interesting details in the article as well, but it is very dense reading.  Here is the link:

https://zenodo.org/record/6409376#.YkzsKy1h3OS


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Enjoil] * 4
    #27788068 - 05/22/22 11:31 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

So I harvested today for my next batch of tea.  I'm going to let these cuttings age for a few weeks before making the tea. 

The longer one is Bridgesii "SS02".  The shorter one is Pachanoi "Altmans TPM".

These are fat cuts from big plants.  I know they will be potent.  3 doses from this material should be plenty strong.  But I'm thinking about dividing the tea into 2 doses and going deep.  I'm not sure.  Going to think about it some more...




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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: hummingbird] * 4
    #27827351 - 06/19/22 02:21 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Happy Fathers Day to all the dads out there!  Here are some of my Bridgesii kiddos.  Enjoy your Sunday!






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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Melliferous] * 4
    #27844804 - 07/01/22 10:15 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Hi all, sorry, not much to add here.  Just wanted to leave a pic so this shows up in my active threads:peace:


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Soloist] * 4
    #27845810 - 07/01/22 10:30 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Made it rain this evening in the greenhouse with the hose.



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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: asmr] * 4
    #27907992 - 08/18/22 10:44 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Hey bridge heads I was driving back from the mountains and stopped at a cactus nursery I say off the road.

I’m not on FB but I guess this spot is known by some of the FB groups because they asked if I was part of them because of my interest in “certain” cacti :lol:

Snagged these two for my collection. Sorry to post a non bridge but couldn’t resist adding a beautiful Copiapoa hypogaea to my small apt garden.



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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: CHUCK.HNTR] * 4
    #27911119 - 08/20/22 11:09 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)












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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Soloist] * 4
    #27926477 - 08/30/22 08:12 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)




Me when I noticed it:

:shockhawk:


LOL  But the great thing about cactus is that its just more to plant.


I call that one Peruzco.  To me it looks about halfway in between a true Peruvianus and a Cuzcoensis.  Its active but not very strong.  But I only tried it once.  It produces a lot of columns. 


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Re: Bridgesii Thread [Re: Nichrome] * 4
    #27939115 - 09/07/22 05:20 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)



SS02 x Huancabamba


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