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False liberty caps...?
    #27510080 - 10/19/21 11:09 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Dear community!

I am a beginner in the topic. Have had my first wonderful hunt a week ago with Liberty Caps. Now the grass in that place was cut and there are no older specimen left. However, there are ones, which are very similar to the Libs and I remember them growing in the same clusters with the old Libs which are easy to identify.

I am attaching pics and hoping for hints on how to distinguish young Liberty caps from the rest.

Hopefully this post will help ones like me, trying to advance in shroom picking.

Best wishes,
Prokhor


Habitat:
Found them in the grass, Scotland. Right the same place as successfully detected Libs before. Collected after the rain.

Gills:
white to greyish

Stem:
same size as liberty caps, less curved, less stable (not sure about this one)

Cap:
same diameter as liberty caps, color:greyish, shapes are sometimes with a bum, others are not.

Spore print color:
Have not seen spores - too young for it.

Bruising:
None




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Re: False liberty caps...? [Re: Art693]
    #27510286 - 10/19/21 02:11 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Mycena sp. Probably toxic.


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Re: False liberty caps...? [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27510374 - 10/19/21 03:27 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Once you get to know the characteristics of Mycena they become easily unrecognizable. Cap striations, thin stipe, usually white to light coloured gills, mostly growing from the ground, etc. You wouldn't want to eat one.

Good luck for next time and happy hunting!


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Re: False liberty caps...? [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27510461 - 10/19/21 05:09 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Mycena sp. Probably toxic.




You're kidding, right? I know some are said to contain muscarine, but only in tiny amounts.


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Re: False liberty caps...? [Re: Duggstar]
    #27510466 - 10/19/21 05:14 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

The consensus is that Amanita Muscaria is "toxic" as well, and contains Muscarine. Is it because of other chemicals or just because of the muscarine?


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Re: False liberty caps...? [Re: ChasingBoomers86]
    #27510482 - 10/19/21 05:35 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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The consensus is that Amanita Muscaria is "toxic" as well, and contains Muscarine. Is it because of other chemicals or just because of the muscarine?




Amanita muscaria actually contains comparatively very little muscarine, and that is not the compound that is responsible for the psychoactive effect. It is actually the muscimol and ibotenic acid that causes the effects. Technically speaking, any mushroom that causes psychoactive effects would be considered toxic.


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Re: False liberty caps...? [Re: Duggstar]
    #27510806 - 10/20/21 01:11 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks everybody, very impressed by how knowledgeable to community is!


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Re: False liberty caps...? [Re: Duggstar]
    #27510860 - 10/20/21 03:01 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Mycena sp. Probably toxic.




You're kidding, right? I know some are said to contain muscarine, but only in tiny amount



No, trust me on this, I've often seen people getting sick from eating Mycena, it's muscarine poisoning, and it's real. Intense sweating, abnormal salivation, trembles, bradycardia etc. It's kind of disgusting set of symptoms. Dosage required to cause it is usually gram by gram with Psilocybe, that is amount of Mycena taken by mistake in wish to cause psychedelic experience would be enough to trigger symptoms. Where I live people are usually given atropine when they reach the emergency hospital, if they have it available.


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Re: False liberty caps...? [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27510883 - 10/20/21 03:55 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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RenegadeMycologist said:No, trust me on this, I've often seen people getting sick from eating Mycena, it's muscarine poisoning, and it's real. Intense sweating, abnormal salivation, trembles, bradycardia etc. It's kind of disgusting set of symptoms. Dosage required to cause it is usually gram by gram with Psilocybe, that is amount of Mycena taken by mistake in wish to cause psychedelic experience would be enough to trigger symptoms. Where I live people are usually given atropine when they reach the emergency hospital, if they have it available.




Do you know which species that causes this?


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Re: False liberty caps...? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #27510893 - 10/20/21 04:07 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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RenegadeMycologist said:No, trust me on this, I've often seen people getting sick from eating Mycena, it's muscarine poisoning, and it's real. Intense sweating, abnormal salivation, trembles, bradycardia etc. It's kind of disgusting set of symptoms. Dosage required to cause it is usually gram by gram with Psilocybe, that is amount of Mycena taken by mistake in wish to cause psychedelic experience would be enough to trigger symptoms. Where I live people are usually given atropine when they reach the emergency hospital, if they have it available.




Do you know which species that causes this?



Mycena pura is off the charts in muscarine, usually confused to be of edible kind, but I know for a fact cases of field Mycena poisoning (mistaken for liberty).
What exact species that I don't know. Investigation required to nail those poisoning to sp has not been carried, it's next to impossible to pull that off, especially with a genus such as Mycena, where the differences are usually microscopic and there are hundreds of species. Perhaps in some other countries with better funding for these type of things it would be possible to access at least toxic sections.


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