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Help setting intentions for mescaline trip
    #27499672 - 10/10/21 02:35 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

My Bridgesii cutting is calling me. I am feeling ready to make a tea.

I want to get the most out this trip. There is a lot I haven’t done right with prior trips but the main thing I deprived myself of was proper mindset. This time I want to be ready to get most of the therapeutic benefits. Potential intentions: starting new; healing; building new social relationships; exploring the nature of the soul.

Dosing plans: first a small dose to test, then a dose of about half the tea from a 1-foot cutting. I plan to take with cannabis and maybe some other herbs, but I’m not sure. I know this dose is lower than some would have, some would have all the tea. I’m looking for a solidly medium experience. I want to travel but not the trip of my life. I’ve had some experience with bridgesii so I think this’ll be ideal for me. When combined with cannabis that makes it easier.

I will post again in this thread once I have made the tea with pictures, then finally the report. I’ll leave this thread up until I cross the other side.


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Re: Help setting intentions for mescaline trip [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #27500074 - 10/10/21 08:19 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Help setting intentions for mescaline trip [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #27500079 - 10/10/21 08:31 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Hey Creon!

How soon are you planning on taking the test dose and how soon after that will you do the larger dose?
Have you settled on a location, date, time of day/night, etc for the trip yet?  What have you done to make that setting’s environment conducive to your set so it’s in harmony for the psychedelic trip?
How’s your psyche & conscience been this last month/week/day? 

Also, have you tried writing or drawing your intention out as specifically as possible? Or are you leaving it more open ended?  Will this be a solo trip with friends tripping too? Or a solo trip with or without a trip sitter? 

I know! Lots of questions, but you asked :tongue::cool::mushroom2:


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Re: Help setting intentions for mescaline trip [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #27503156 - 10/13/21 01:02 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Blind ass - I am still formulating most of my answers to your questions. I will definitely post them when they come to me.

The one thing I did decide was about your question concerning the test dose. I plan to make the tea today. I have decided that every dose I take will be the test dose until I decide I'm ready. I plan to use low doses frequently for pain relief and other uses. But I will treat those separately from the trip.

Making tea today. My cutting isn't huge but it'll do for a start. Will post pictures of the pot. Plan to boil for as long as convenient - but will probably try some after a few hours then leave the rest of the material for a longer boil. I want to have the test dose soon, I want to calibrate my reaction to it. The test dose basically answers a lot of questions for me so it is important that I do it soon.


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Re: Help setting intentions for mescaline trip [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #27503169 - 10/13/21 01:16 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Ask yourself

"Why do I want to trip?"
"What expectations do I have for myself?"
"What kind of person do I want to be, what steps do I need to take to to become the person?"

Try to meditate at least 15 minutes beforehand, stretch a bit, get yourself relaxed and take the plunge.

Good vibes and I hope you find what you're searching for.


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Re: Help setting intentions for mescaline trip [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #27503184 - 10/13/21 01:30 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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CreonAntigone said:
. I have decided that every dose I take will be the test dose until I decide I'm ready. I plan to use low doses frequently for pain relief and other uses. But I will treat those separately from the trip.

I want to calibrate my reaction to it. The test dose basically answers a lot of questions for me so it is important that I do it soon.




:nodofunderstanding: 


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Re: Help setting intentions for mescaline trip [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #27503623 - 10/13/21 08:32 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

OK, well I've started calibration. I want to test a theory that the terpenes themselves are psychoactive. I've now done the simplest possible extraction TEK - I took an etiolated tip of my office bridgesii. I didn't even use a sterile knife, just clean hands - the growth was new and flimsy so I was able to bend it off. Inner flesh of the cactus was very green, a good sign of potency. I think the etiolated tips will prove plenty potent. I put it into a mug of water, spines and all. And I'm just gonna leave it to cold brew, maybe sip occasionally to see if any flavor has been added. This method will capture the subtle aromatic compounds of the cactus which could be destroyed by tea. I will re-introduce myself to the substance this way, starting with light aromas and seeing if ANY psychoactivity can be felt this way.

Hell, cold brew may just work as a method for microdosing if not full dosing. I guess I'll see. If all that is needed is a little mescaline cold water extraction definitely gets it, no question.

I plan to consume a small dose pretty soon to, just a taste of the cactus flesh. At the moment I'm feeling nausea however, so I do not want to drink or eat anything. I am going to wait for a better moment to really try it. Now just the start of extraction.


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Re: Help setting intentions for mescaline trip [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #27503634 - 10/13/21 08:41 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

https://files.shroomery.org/files/21-41/417897972-663E0B8F-5CED-4476-B9CA-27853A24183D.jpg

A thin waxy-fatty layer is already forming on top of the water. That indicates the release of organic compounds and fatty acids. A good sign that my brew is grabbing something even without heat. I imagine total mescaline extraction will be low, I can go through the materials later in the full boil. But this will capture something the other methods don't.

I was an ADHD kid, they put me on ritalin then amphetamine salts. The amphetamine salts always worked better, but the stimulants were ultimately destructive. Mescaline feels like a way to bridge that gap: it is a phen, but it commands respect. I am still in awe of it, so I think that will help ground me. I will try to learn from it and be a student of it and truly prepare for when I can get used to it and take larger doses. That'll be my approach.


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Re: Help setting intentions for mescaline trip [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #27503760 - 10/14/21 12:15 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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CreonAntigone said:
I am still in awe of it, so I think that will help ground me. I will try to learn from it and be a student of it and truly prepare for when I can get used to it and take larger doses. That'll be my approach.




:billymaythumbup:

Interesting experiment.  Its hard to imagine that you will get much alkaloids from this cold soak method.  But bravo for the attempt.  I'm looking forward to your results. 

You have a good attitude about the cactus.  It demands respect.  Taking your time and getting used to the experience makes a lot of sense.  Please keep us informed of your discoveries.


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Re: Help setting intentions for mescaline trip [Re: Grey Fox]
    #27503794 - 10/14/21 02:00 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Interesting experiment.  Its hard to imagine that you will get much alkaloids from this cold soak method.  But bravo for the attempt.  I'm looking forward to your results. 





I expect more the terpenoids than the alkaloids. Smell compounds. I want the smell compounds the cactus produces when it is still alive, I figure cold water is the best method for that. The resulting 'cold brew' will contain barely any mescaline... however, I do think that after 2-3 days the speed of mescaline extraction increases since it is no longer cold water we're talking about, the cactus has leeched organic solvents into the water (such as terpenes like limonene, the same one that sours lemons and limes is found in Trichocereus plants). So I let the cactus release its juice, and I think after a few days eventually it will have released quite a bit.


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Re: Help setting intentions for mescaline trip [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #27504586 - 10/14/21 06:53 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Its an interesting experiment.  Please report back on how it turns out.  Just be careful because at some point the cactus will start to rot and you don't want to consume any liquid with that mold in it.


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Re: Help setting intentions for mescaline trip [Re: Grey Fox]
    #27506061 - 10/15/21 10:51 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Tea prepared yesterday, very simple method, cooked several hours, 1 cutting. 2 cups. Tried about 1/8th cup, mild auditory and visual hallucinations and a dream-like feeling. Confirmed psychoactivity.

This morning was the time. Drank about 1 cup, gargled with it for several minutes. Had a lot of cannabis too.

Very little first 3 hours, then a nice trip - very booming and serious. Not the most visual but extremely interesting sensations and realizations and philosophical thoughts. Hallucinations included seeing people in periperhy, brief conversations with various ideas. No ego death, but my ego learned a lesson it needed - and that can be moreimpactful than an ego death. I will post report eventually. I was completely immobile on the comeup, glued to the ground for maybe 20-25 minutes.

Mescaline allowed me clear-headed thinking about some things that were troubling me. I was unsure about doing it, even though I felt the urge. It ended up being like I hoped and not like I expected. I expected it to go poorly. So perhaps I lack true respect and hope, and perhaps I need to really learn to learn. This time though I will say - I thought about it before deciding and I definitely had a moment before having the tea where I checked if it was really what I wanted to do.

Bridgesii answered me. I think I will be consulting it more. But it also removes me of a desire to have more.


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Re: Help setting intentions for mescaline trip [Re: CreonAntigone] * 1
    #27507196 - 10/16/21 09:01 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Great write up CA!  I'm looking forward to that trip report whenever you get to it.


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Bridgesii answered me. I think I will be consulting it more. But it also removes me of a desire to have more.




This really spoke to me.  There is something serious and intense about Bridgesii trips.  It can even feel "dark" sometimes.  The general reputation for what a San Pedro trip is like (fun, gentle, easy) does not always apply to the Bridgesii experience.  Like you, I too find a strong sense of respect for Bridgesii everytime I encounter it.  Bridgesii is a powerful medicine that deserves a lot of respect.  And I feel that it is not well understood by the psychedelic community in general, though I think that is slowly starting to change.


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Re: Help setting intentions for mescaline trip [Re: Grey Fox]
    #27508143 - 10/17/21 03:54 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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This really spoke to me.  There is something serious and intense about Bridgesii trips.  It can even feel "dark" sometimes.  The general reputation for what a San Pedro trip is like (fun, gentle, easy) does not always apply to the Bridgesii experience.  Like you, I too find a strong sense of respect for Bridgesii everytime I encounter it.  Bridgesii is a powerful medicine that deserves a lot of respect.  And I feel that it is not well understood by the psychedelic community in general, though I think that is slowly starting to change.




I agree there's a darkness but not in the sense of like 'Bad LSD trip' where everything seems hopeless. The darkness if you call it that seems to me to be more about a sense of responsibility. It isn't about fun, it's about getting done what needs to be done in life. On the comeup I felt that everything that was happening should happen, that nothing was out of place. I also felt a sense of a voice or entity, for the most part I did not actually hear anything but mentally there was a talk. The feeling of mine was that the things being told to me were what I needed to hear, they were instructions about how to order my life and get out of my destructive behavioral cycles. I do not remember everything during the comeup but I do remember important notes.

I call it an 'entity' not because it was a specific being or presence - I didn't see something. Rather I just felt something that was outside and a part of me helping me. It felt like when people say there's a 'spirit of the cactus' this is what they're referring to, almost a personal force in the drug that can read your thoughts and tell you what you are hiding from yourself and therapizing you essentially. It's like the cactus itself is working on its own grabbing pieces together to help me for therapy. It's interesting, and in my experience somewhat different than other psychedelics I'd done before. The other ones seem way more random whereas mescaline it always seems like it has a plan and in fact it seems like the drug itself has made more plans than I did. Part of this might just be the dose, this was perhaps the highest dose of psychs I'd done and I did it along with a quite high cannabis dose as well.

I don't really believe in God in a traditional sort of way, no dislike of those that do. Some would have the experience I had and say it was a divine voice. My interpretation is that it is just subjectively a different kind of voice from someone's normal self-conversation. I think Bridgesii created a chaos in my mind but from that chaos it formed a voice that provided me with a new perspective telling me things I'd been needing to hear'; interestingly the things were not all that random and seemed deeply personal. It makes sense that this drug is used to induce spiritual experience because my guess is to each person the spirit they perceive will be different and will seem personal *to them*.

I am now starting off on a micro and low dose Bridgesii regimen. Tincture of bridgesii, a few times a week. That seems like the right thing for me. So that I can get a little bit of this same sense of responsibility and organize my life. And potentially consult with this psychedelic space without neccesarily a high dose.

I will say to those who are unsure about high doses: it didn't go anything like I thought. It wasn't like 'low dose plus', it felt subjectively entirely different.


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Re: Help setting intentions for mescaline trip [Re: Grey Fox]
    #27508243 - 10/17/21 05:24 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Grey Fox said:
Great write up CA!  I'm looking forward to that trip report whenever you get to it.


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Bridgesii answered me. I think I will be consulting it more. But it also removes me of a desire to have more.




This really spoke to me.  There is something serious and intense about Bridgesii trips.  It can even feel "dark" sometimes. 




That's how I feel about mushrooms. I feel like any psychedelic has the potential to be dark though. Sometimes thoughts lead us to dark places.


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Re: Help setting intentions for mescaline trip [Re: TrancedOutBrah]
    #27509668 - 10/18/21 11:36 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

One of the things that is so characteristic of cactus trips is the long duration of the experience.  You are immersed in that altered reality for a long time.  Hours flow by.  You have a lot of time to work things out.  There is a lot of clarity and awe.  The most important things in life seem so obvious.  So much of life's daily concerns get lumped into a big pile of "doesn't really matter".  Who and what really matters becomes crystal clear.  But with an impact that you almost never get in daily life.  You feel the weight of it all, how real it all is, how precious it all is.  I think its very beneficial to have that change in perspective from time to time.  With the cactus, especially with Bridgesii, it has a way of showing you things that should be really obvious, but for some reason we are blind to.  It takes off those blinders temporarily.  And then what you choose to do with that is up to you.


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Re: Help setting intentions for mescaline trip [Re: Grey Fox]
    #27509739 - 10/19/21 03:04 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Help setting intentions for mescaline trip [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #27510740 - 10/19/21 11:05 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Mescaline is a lot different to mushrooms and lsd.  You are very clear headed and it's hard to overdose.  Michael Poullan describes it as being clear headed in his latest book.  I personally think (and have experienced) that it has a high potential for psychedelic therapy.  It's in the same family of compounds as lsd.  Native Americans drumming and dancing around a fire while eating peyote is the OG bush doof.


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Re: Help setting intentions for mescaline trip [Re: SpacedX]
    #27511155 - 10/20/21 09:30 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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It's in the same family of compounds as lsd.



i think you are wrong. its in the same family of compounds as MDMA (phenethylamines) but i may be wrong


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Re: Help setting intentions for mescaline trip [Re: golmo]
    #27511258 - 10/20/21 11:01 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

That's right, it is a phenethylamine, not a tryptamine.


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