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Re: Kratom [Re: Shiithead]
    #27503428 - 10/13/21 06:58 PM (1 month, 18 days ago)

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Shiithead said:
I'm surprised you're not dead from alcohol withdrawal. That's a lot of booze.




I was thinking the same thing, I was drinking like that for a couple years and the withdraw included 4 days of delirium tremens with full blown hallucinations, heart palpitations, unable to regulate body temperature.


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Re: Kratom [Re: Gr33nTree73]
    #27503434 - 10/13/21 07:01 PM (1 month, 18 days ago)

If they can put please use responsibility on the side of the container and call it a day, why can't they do it with weed?

:smugjerry:


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Re: Kratom [Re: Shiithead] * 1
    #27503438 - 10/13/21 07:09 PM (1 month, 18 days ago)

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Shiithead said:
If they can put please use responsibility on the side of the container and call it a day, why can't they do it with weed?

:smugjerry:



Well, now that I can buy weed here, the guy at my shop always tells people not to burn out when they leave :vaped:


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Re: Kratom [Re: Gr33nTree73] * 1
    #27503627 - 10/13/21 10:34 PM (1 month, 18 days ago)

At various points in my life I’ve been hooked on varying opiates/opioids.  Kratom is not to be underestimated.  Kratom contains several compounds which are in fact opioids  After one 90 day stint of abstinence from everything I began using the “oh so benign plant medicine” - Kratom - or so they used to say about it back in the day and some still erroneously & naively  believe that falsehood to this very day. 

Sure it can be used as a traditional medicine appropriately in some cases (probably only by a very small handful of the people that take it) it’s got a unique pharmacological profile, and a bunch of other random chemical compounds in it that make it slightly difficult, but not even close to making it abuse/misuse/addiction/dependency proof.  Not that you need to even be taking high doses for very long to get anguishing withdrawal symptoms from it. But w/e some people will try and justify and rationalize their addiction(s) in anyway they can until they believe their own b.s.

When I was using it I  used 3-5g per dose x 3-4 times per day for 1.5 months straight.  I quit one day because I didn’t like the side effects it was having on my system and I’d had enough of tolerating them in exchange for an ever diminishing & meager “buzz”.  And all the while it was just as if it was sapping me of much of my life force energy and more.  So I stopped.

The withdrawals were horrible.  Just like any classic narcotic withdrawal.  I saw a professional seeking treatment to help me get through the withdrawal & scored moderately high points all across the board on the Clinical Opiate Withdrawal Syndrome scale (C.O.W.S. Scale).  He treated me with clonidine, trazadone, bentyl, and nsaids.  It but only a tiny dent in the severity of the symptoms.  It took a good 2.5 weeks after quitting before I felt more or less like the withdrawals were completely gone and I was fit enough to function somewhat properly again.  Kratom sucks except for if it’s used only as a once in a blue moon sort of thing for short term minor-moderate pain relief that doesn’t respond to NSAIDS or stuff.

Most people are using it to self medicate their lack of a sense of well-being, which can manifest in myriad ways.  Some for physical pain.  Most of which can usually be routinely remedied by more skillful & effective means & with less detrimental effects than taking Kratom.

that’s just my own experience and I know many never had that bad of a time coming off of it, but let’s be real…Kratom , in general, is shitty.  Still, I don’t think it should be made illegal, but I’d like to see it regulated justly.  I’ve seen too many people get hooked - for many it took years and they suffered no big consequences…until they tried to quit. 


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Re: Kratom [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #27504010 - 10/14/21 11:27 AM (1 month, 17 days ago)

I’ve always been surprised by how blasé people are when talking about kratom.

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And all the while it was just as if it was sapping me of much of my life force

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The withdrawals were horrible.  Just like any classic narcotic withdrawal. 





My trajectory and experience were similar, 5 months or so of daily use, 3x/day @3-5g. After 2-3 months I was chasing greatly diminishing returns and I had a really hard time stopping. I felt like a wreck for 2-3 months after I did manage to stop.

It’s anything but benign.


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Re: Kratom [Re: openmind]
    #27506973 - 10/16/21 07:15 PM (1 month, 15 days ago)

I read the half life being 17.5 hrs

Maybe it was bullshit my bad yo

Addiction to me is not physically being able to get through a day of tree work

Sitting myself joint pain etc I can deal with yawns and sneezes


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Re: Kratom [Re: TrancedOutBrah] * 1
    #27506980 - 10/16/21 07:18 PM (1 month, 15 days ago)

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TrancedOutBrah said:
Well your name is shithead and you're saying drug addiction is a joke that's easy to deal with.

Need I say more?




Its a joke compared to "serious" withdrawal for sho

Not to be understated but for real yo id rather be in jail kicking that shit than diesel


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Re: Kratom [Re: stzacrack]
    #27507665 - 10/17/21 11:08 AM (1 month, 14 days ago)

I bought an overpriced container of kratom at a local place a few days ago and I just woke up and I'm experiencing mild withdrawal. I'm about to take my first dose of the day and I don't have much left so I'm going to keep all my doses lower than usual in an effort to taper off of it.


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Re: Kratom [Re: Kalendula]
    #27507688 - 10/17/21 11:23 AM (1 month, 14 days ago)

Withdrawl or hangover…:awenuhuh:


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Re: Kratom [Re: Amanita86]
    #27511588 - 10/20/21 06:57 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

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Amanita86 said:
Withdrawl or hangover…:awenuhuh:




Right word?

I mean if sneezing 6 times every hr and a half is withdrawal....compared to heroin I can deal haha

Butbyea pretty afraid im gonna drink myself to death


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